Is Time An Illusion?

[mindphuk]

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Does everyone here know what a black hole is????

Like they were in books, magazines. SCIENCE FICTION.
Then one say someone noticed something weird on a telescope. And his nerdy ass WANTED it to be a black hole. So he did the math, and it made sense IN MATH, and SOME theory. But he was just trying to confirm his nerdy ass desire. And you guys are flocking. I don't know who the fuck it was that started all this, but if you can't SEE it, and it was in SCI-FI books for 40 years before being "Discovered" by you, then you're making things up. Just like the guys that WROTE the ORIGINAL books about black holes.

Your whole life is a science fiction story. No one can be that dense IRL.

 

[Beefbisquit]

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Does everyone here know what a black hole is????

Like they were in books, magazines. SCIENCE FICTION.
Then one say someone noticed something weird on a telescope. And his nerdy ass WANTED it to be a black hole. So he did the math, and it made sense IN MATH, and SOME theory. But he was just trying to confirm his nerdy ass desire. And you guys are flocking. I don't know who the fuck it was that started all this, but if you can't SEE it, and it was in SCI-FI books for 40 years before being "Discovered" by you, then you're making things up. Just like the guys that WROTE the ORIGINAL books about black holes.

Holy Shit! Leonard Di Vinci thought of 'flying machines' before planes were invented so fighter jets must be fiction too!

 

[olylifter420]

man, the further this discussion goes, the more i am exposed to a true mental health issue no offense... I have never come across such a unique individual, it is just a bliss to the see the world at work

 

[Doer]

Black holes are just as observable as your opinions are. I don't see you, but I know you are there. At least you pass the Turning Test.

Gravity lensing is a measurable effect as well as the Hawkins radiation. However, your are right. In Subjective Reality, all stated
observations are opinions only.

 

[eye exaggerate]

Art to me is the drive for expression, communication, etc. These drives are based in the fact of our physical limitations. To hear color and see sound is reported
from folks that suffer a certain type of brain damage.

Read up on the Quantum Mind. It has to do with the non-locality of consciousness. There be Art.

Hey, and beefbbisquit, let's don't fuss. I totally reject the idea of an Objective Reality. My life theory is Beer Suds.

We are all in the quantum foam and the other bubbles look just like us, more or less. We assume we know the exact gas mix, so to say,
in the other bubbles. But, not true. We don't even know ourselves. In fact the definition of normal only applies to people we don't know yet.

The reality as we call is totally Subjective.

...I've often been heard saying 'it's beer 'o clock'. Here's something I posted here just the other day. And, the reason for my asking the question.

...the non-physical locales are like receptors for a plus or a minus. I'll use the term 'bubble' here to get a point across, not to claim that people are in a 'bubble'. I 'see it' as bubbles that are in constant contact but yet glance off of each other in polarity.

"morphing us?"

...super nutshell thought, I should point out. I can't say that I look into this stuff for the same reason as others here do. So, I make no claims.

 

[researchkitty]

In fairness, Hawking Radiation would be too small to be observable, which is why we've built instruments and have sent them to space to begin looking with more sensitivity. Gravitational Lensing is one that someone like Flip would say "Other galaxies create lensing, not black holes" except the lensing doesnt make sense without a black hole being present.

Plus there's a big one in the middle of our own galaxy. Right in the center of it. Thankfully we're on a spiral arms outer edge far away from it.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Black holes are just as observable as your opinions are. I don't see you, but I know you are there. At least you pass the Turning Test.

Gravity lensing is a measurable effect as well as the Hawkins radiation. However, your are right. In Subjective Reality, all stated
observations are opinions only.

If you really believed that all reality was subjective you will be totally irrational, and probably in jail by now. I love it when people spout off with the "everything is subjective" spiel... Things that we don't perceive still exist, and are not subject to our 'mind', or our subjectiveness. There is an objective reality, whether or not any person can perceive it as it is, without biases of the mind is another story.

 

[eye exaggerate]

In fairness, Hawking Radiation would be too small to be observable, which is why we've built instruments and have sent them to space to begin looking with more sensitivity. Gravitational Lensing is one that someone like Flip would say "Other galaxies create lensing, not black holes" except the lensing doesnt make sense without a black hole being present.

Plus there's a big one in the middle of our own galaxy. Right in the center of it. Thankfully we're on a spiral arms outer edge far away from it.

...would you go along with the idea that we (humans) are also like receptors for energy? A certain line of 'gnosis' would describe it this way. What we humans do is build things to read the energies, but not the energies themselves, basically.

 

[tyler.durden]

Black holes are just as observable as your opinions are. I don't see you, but I know you are there. At least you pass the Turning Test.

Gravity lensing is a measurable effect as well as the Hawkins radiation. However, your are right. In Subjective Reality, all stated
observations are opinions only.

Careful, Doer. You are getting close to demonstrating Objective Reality here If something is measurable (any physicists testing and reporting the same measurements) how can there be no objective reality? If there was only the subjective, there would be as many different measurements when observing the same phenomena as there are physicists, right?

 

[researchkitty]

...would you go along with the idea that we (humans) are also like receptors for energy? A certain line of 'gnosis' would describe it this way. What we humans do is build things to read the energies, but not the energies themselves, basically.

I would not, as thats a reductionist attempt to reduce our species to quantum level. We are much more complex than simple receptors for energy. Reception is one thing, being able to intelligently interpret those 'readings' is the issue I would have......

 

[eye exaggerate]

I would not, as thats a reductionist attempt to reduce our species to quantum level. We are much more complex than simple receptors for energy. Reception is one thing, being able to intelligently interpret those 'readings' is the issue I would have......

...thanks. That bolded stuff up there is awesome. Reminded of that phrase "lost in translation".

Expansive Reductionism, it just came to mind so I wrote it. From the quantum level are personality filters that become a world layer by layer.

High, yep, I'm high...

 

[Finshaggy]

Your whole life is a science fiction story. No one can be that dense IRL.

Holy Shit! Leonard Di Vinci thought of 'flying machines' before planes were invented so fighter jets must be fiction too!

And maybe we'll make contact with the Dalek's soon.

LMFAO LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[cannabineer]

...would you go along with the idea that we (humans) are also like receptors for energy? A certain line of 'gnosis' would describe it this way. What we humans do is build things to read the energies, but not the energies themselves, basically.

What sort of "energy"? The term gets bandied about by those who want to imply a scientific basis for paranormal shenanigans. cn

 

[eye exaggerate]

What sort of "energy"? The term gets bandied about by those who want to imply a scientific basis for paranormal shenanigans. cn

I think I'm referring to the basic + - and neutral. Nothing paranormal for sure.

I can see at the basis of my interactions with people, and by observing other people, that I have either a positive, negative or neutral reaction. Optimal would be no reaction but that takes work, I feel.

 

[researchkitty]

Probably just + and -, as if you got the neutral you'd be observing dark matter.

 

[cannabineer]

I think I'm referring to the basic + - and neutral. Nothing paranormal for sure.

In that case I think "transducers" is a fairer description of the organism. We accept chemical potential energy (food, air) and convert it to heat, with some cool sht in between. cn

<edit> Some of our sense organs (specifically eyes, ears) are energy receptors, but that is secondary. What they principally "recept" is information, as I think researchkitty mentioned ...

 

[Beefbisquit]

I think I'm referring to the basic + - and neutral. Nothing paranormal for sure.

Are you referring to kinetic energy? Energy can be transmitted in so many different ways it's too simple to just say 'energy'.

Our brains work on electro-chemical responses, but we can "receive" radiation energy; it just kills us in high enough doses.

 

[Finshaggy]

Black holes are just as observable as your opinions are. I don't see you, but I know you are there. At least you pass the Turning Test.

Gravity lensing is a measurable effect as well as the Hawkins radiation. However, your are right. In Subjective Reality, all stated
observations are opinions only.

No they aren't.

To put it in perspective. A black hole is like someone having ME on ignore...But seeing YOU respond to me...
Then someone guessing that I must be some book you read, since it seems like there IS something there, but he can't see it.
Then someone else coming into the discussion, and talking about this book as if it has already been written.
Then it's just lost from there.
There is SOMETHING going on in space. But it's not "A black hole" That is science fiction.
Unless you bend the meaning of black hole to fit whatever is going on, on the telescopes, then it's not a "Black hole". And even then, call it something else, besides that science fiction term.

In fairness, Hawking Radiation would be too small to be observable, which is why we've built instruments and have sent them to space to begin looking with more sensitivity. Gravitational Lensing is one that someone like Flip would say "Other galaxies create lensing, not black holes" except the lensing doesnt make sense without a black hole being present.

Plus there's a big one in the middle of our own galaxy. Right in the center of it. Thankfully we're on a spiral arms outer edge far away from it.

But we can't see it.

 

[Finshaggy]

Like "If you fall into a black hole you would be stretched like strands of spaghetti"
That's all they told us about black holes in school. BULL SHIT, how do they know that?...Ray Bradbury told them?? LOL LOL LOL LOL
And how is other "Black hole science" any more real than that?

 

[Doer]

Careful, Doer. You are getting close to demonstrating Objective Reality here If something is measurable (any physicists testing and reporting the same measurements) how can there be no objective reality? If there was only the subjective, there would be as many different measurements when observing the same phenomena as there are physicists, right?

I said all observation are subjective. Meaningless there is
reproduce able subjectivity. In the end we may never conceive
Instruments that are not merely extensions of our consentual
Subjectivity.