Is Time An Illusion?

[eye exaggerate]

In that case I think "transducers" is a fairer description of the organism. We accept chemical potential energy (food, air) and convert it to heat, with some cool sht in between. cn

...when I work with (think about) this stuff I always go back to my house and the main electrical line in. And from there how it is allocated through the panel. That is from where I start. And when you say 'the cool sht in between' reminds me of one of the stacks at an oil refinery. They take 'parts' from the bottom up (of the burning process) for various purposes.

 

[mindphuk]

Like "If you fall into a black hole you would be stretched like strands of spaghetti"
That's all they told us about black holes in school. BULL SHIT, how do they know that?...Ray Bradbury told them?? LOL LOL LOL LOL
And how is other "Black hole science" any more real than that?

That's your answer for everything, "how do they know that?" If you actually paid attention in school, maybe you would understand.

 

[Finshaggy]

That's your answer for everything, "how do they know that?" If you actually paid attention in school, maybe you would understand.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You think a black hole will make you spaghetti?

 

[eye exaggerate]

Are you referring to kinetic energy? Energy can be transmitted in so many different ways it's too simple to just say 'energy'.

Our brains work on electro-chemical responses, but we can "receive" radiation energy; it just kills us in high enough doses.

...synapses.

...I hope in some way you can appreciate my description. There are sanskrit terms - ida, pingala and shushumna. These are what I 'see' if I am going to make something related to energies. Sorry man I know that may sound flaky.

Ida is the left channel. Ida is white, feminine, cold, represents
the moon and is associated with the river Ganga (Ganges).
Originating in Muladhara, Ida ends up in the left nostril.
Pingala is the right channel. Pingala is red, masculine, hot,
represents the sun and is associated with the river Yamuna.
Originating in Muladhara, Pingala ends up in the right nostril.
Sushumna is the central channel and is associated with
the river Saraswati. Running up the body from just below
Muladhara chakra to Sahasrara chakra at the crown of the head.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Like "If you fall into a black hole you would be stretched like strands of spaghetti"
That's all they told us about black holes in school. BULL SHIT, how do they know that?...Ray Bradbury told them?? LOL LOL LOL LOL
And how is other "Black hole science" any more real than that?

Scientists theorized about large wells of gravity before any mention in science fiction. Michell, and Laplace to name a few.

The fact they're called "black holes" is irrelevant; you can call it a purple monkey dishwasher if you want to; but the data still points to location of extreme gravity. The fact that science fiction writers started coining the term black holes is irrelevant. Scientists started using the term black hole to describe the singularity they found; and stopped associating it with science fiction. The fact that you haven't is your own dumbass fault.

 

[Finshaggy]

Scientists theorized about large wells of gravity before any mention in science fiction. Michell, and Laplace to name a few.

The fact they're called "black holes" is irrelevant; you can call it a purple monkey dishwasher if you want to; but the data still points to location of extreme gravity. The fact that science fiction writers started coining the term black holes is irrelevant. Scientists started using the term black hole to describe the singularity they found; and stopped associating it with science fiction. The fact that you haven't is your own dumbass fault.

Ok, I agree that there is extreme gravity to be seen in space.
but to call it a black hole, and associate it with such ideas is ludicrous. They NEVER stopped associating it with science fiction...

FOUND SINGULARITIES? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[mindphuk]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You think a black hole will make you spaghetti?

Extreme tidal forces from something like a neutron star will rip you apart like strands of spaghetti. It won't literally turn you into pasta. If you believe otherwise, you are free to explain why and then be prepared for everyone to see you as the fucktard you are.

BTW, typing multiple lulz does absolutely nothing for your argument. It does however make you appear to be a cackling lunatic.

 

[Finshaggy]

Scientists theorized about large wells of gravity before any mention in science fiction. Michell, and Laplace to name a few.

The fact they're called "black holes" is irrelevant; you can call it a purple monkey dishwasher if you want to; but the data still points to location of extreme gravity. The fact that science fiction writers started coining the term black holes is irrelevant. Scientists started using the term black hole to describe the singularity they found; and stopped associating it with science fiction. The fact that you haven't is your own dumbass fault.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Maybe you can make the next video LOL
Take us to the "Next level" of understanding black holes. LOL LOL
[video=youtube;eI9CvipHl_c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI9CvipHl_c[/video]
It's all imaginary, MATH doesn't make it true. Math can be corrected at a later date.

 

[Finshaggy]

Extreme tidal forces from something like a neutron star will rip you apart like strands of spaghetti. It won't literally turn you into pasta. If you believe otherwise, you are free to explain why and then be prepared for everyone to see you as the fucktard you are.

BTW, typing multiple lulz does absolutely nothing for your argument. It does however make you appear to be a cackling lunatic.

Ok, maybe something from a neutron star. I'll accept that.
But tell me how you know what happens in a black hole?
Explain the process, what happens inside...LOL LOL
If you feel like you CAN describe it, you're crazy.

 

[Finshaggy]

BTW, typing multiple lulz does absolutely nothing for your argument. It does however make you appear to be a cackling lunatic.

Sorry I though lol was understood. It's to show that I found something humorous.


And if you're comments make ME sound like a cackling idiot when I reply, you should be a comedian.

 

[Beefbisquit]

It's all imaginary, MATH doesn't make it true. Math can be corrected at a later date.

I'm starting to believe your brain is imaginary. Can anyone confirm my "subjective" experience?

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL OMGWTFGTFOBRBTTYLBBQ

 

[tyler.durden]

I said all observation are subjective. Meaningless there is
reproduce able subjectivity. In the end we may never conceive
Instruments that are not merely extensions of our consentual
Subjectivity.

In post #415 you stated, ' I totally reject the idea of an Objective Reality.' If we have a subject, there must be an object that is studied. The object that is being observed is part of objective reality. It exists independent of minds to observe it. If one walks into the ocean until submerged and stays there for 30 minutes, they will drown. This is true even if one's subjective reality tells one that there is no ocean there...

 

[Doer]

In post #415 you stated, ' I totally reject the idea of an Objective Reality.' If we have a subject, there must be an object that is studied. The object that is being observed is part of objective reality. It exists independent of minds to observe it. If one walks into the ocean until submerged and stays there for 30 minutes, they will drown. This is true even if one's subjective reality tells one that there is no ocean there...

We are all mired in the Illusion, brother .It's consensual. The truth is we wake up here, at about age 2 years. Unable to even form a Subjective consensus.
Painfully we are taught the boundries of the hallucination before we can talk. The magnetically formed surfaces and edges. Both of our bio-bot and how the bio-bot experiences experiences the rest of Subjectivity. Those that don't conform are burned at the stake of compliance, like Joan of Arc, in some why or another.

My take of Jesus, Buddha, Lau Tsu are that they somehow connected to the only Raw Objectivity that exists. The calm pool of quantum stillness. Only available
beyond or below, conscious thought. Away from the blowing clouds of our inner dialog there is something else. Excape for 1 sec, that inner nattering that
translates "objectivity" and you will see for yourself. But, as soon as you talk about, it's a cult.Then others make the religion, like Peter did, to serve his own subjective apocalyptic conclusions. W e are in a dream within a dream and only just now is Science begining topush out, but not find sign posts of our Consensus.

It's in every disipline we've found the edge of it.. What we think of as reality is simply a construct of our senses.

 

[guy incognito]

I can't believe this thread is still going. He is trolling everyone good.

I'm a troll man, dododo da dododo, im a troll man.

 

[Doer]

So, time is an illusion, but entropy exists. Only life defies entropy. Yet, Life must constantly discard it's bio-bots to achieve that. Not pretty, from our perspective but, perhaps DNA knows it needs to get off this planet. Humans are the bio-buds that can do that, maybe. Still within Subjectivity, DNA enforces the concept of time for it's own purposes.....in the Twilight Zone.

OK, here we go. "Past" only exists in so far as memory exists. "Future" only exists in so far as anticipation exists. It is NOW that is eternal. All matter, energy, space and time are flowing past NOW and producing our sense of entropy.

I'm heading back to high energy physics now. The folks that I commune with there, (forums for every interest these days) are often scientist in the business. They are having hard time (pun) dealing with the idea of ever smaller divisions of time. It that same problem I discussed about the Big Bang. Take the smallest interval imaginable and divide by the largest duration you can imagine. See what I mean. You can still divide that.

Time is meaningless inside an atom, because it is defined a set of probability waves that maps to a 2 or perhaps only 1 dimension. Copenhagen Conjecture, 1921. Einstein and Neils Boer lost that one. But, still there is popular (don't really care) science and real science where we freely admit we know nothing in the Subjective reality that can map to inside an atom.

So, Continuous Creation is the term of art that being used. Being a quantum guy I say smashing atoms creates these ash particles and in no way says what is real.

We are creating our own experience is a much deeper way than we every imagined.

 

[Doer]

I can't believe this thread is still going. He is trolling everyone good.

I'm a troll man, dododo da dododo, im a troll man.

We're not all Black Hole Luddites. How are you're other threads? Liking them OK?

 

[researchkitty]

I can't believe this thread is still going. He is trolling everyone good.

I'm a troll man, dododo da dododo, im a troll man.

I dont mind the troll. It lets other spectators to the thread read about why physics understands the natural world the way it does and allows the smarter in the crowd to demonstrate that........ The trolls help us spread the education around and then post simpsons pics at the same time, so its all good!

 

[researchkitty]

So, time is an illusion, but entropy exists. Only life defies entropy. Yet, Life must constantly discard it's bio-bots to achieve that. Not pretty, from our perspective but, perhaps DNA knows it needs to get off this planet. Humans are the bio-buds that can do that, maybe. Still within Subjectivity, DNA enforces the concept of time for it's own purposes.....in the Twilight Zone.

OK, here we go. "Past" only exists in so far as memory exists. "Future" only exists in so far as anticipation exists. It is NOW that is eternal. All matter, energy, space and time are flowing past NOW and producing our sense of entropy.

I'm heading back to high energy physics now. The folks that I commune with there, (forums for every interest these days) are often scientist in the business. They are having hard time (pun) dealing with the idea of ever smaller divisions of time. It that same problem I discussed about the Big Bang. Take the smallest interval imaginable and divide by the largest duration you can imagine. See what I mean. You can still divide that.

Time is meaningless inside an atom, because it is defined a set of probability waves that maps to a 2 or perhaps only 1 dimension. Copenhagen Conjecture, 1921. Einstein and Neils Boer lost that one. But, still there is popular (don't really care) science and real science where we freely admit we know nothing in the Subjective reality that can map to inside an atom.

So, Continuous Creation is the term of art that being used. Being a quantum guy I say smashing atoms creates these ash particles and in no way says what is real.

We are creating our own experience is a much deeper way than we every imagined.

Damn dude there's so much wrong there I dont know where to start to break it down for you since dinner is cooking and ms kitty HATES me putting off dinner!

High energy physics? You mean quantum physics. Of course there are forums for that, its one of the most popular fields to work in right now. Physicists dont generally refer to themselves as scientists either. Of course you can divide anything. Take a piece of paper. Fold it 4000 times. It'll reach the moon!

I guess the whole problem I have with your post is that you just ramble on, with no point at all about what your rambling about. Could you clarify it with a point in which your trying to make?

 

[eye exaggerate]

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[mindphuk]

Ok, maybe something from a neutron star. I'll accept that.
But tell me how you know what happens in a black hole?
Explain the process, what happens inside...LOL LOL

That's a meaningless question, there is no 'inside' of a superdense star. What you seem to be asking is what is inside of the Schwarzschild radius.