Organics dead? Is all natural the way to go?

[slonez47]

"Organic" is a horseshit term used by the government to find new ways to steal our money. I thought the term started as a marketing tool, until the GOV scooped it up- by over regulating what it means. its another excuse for the government to step into your life and tell you what to do. and charge you for it. synthetic fertilizers are technically organic... in the way that the plant needs these nutrients in that form, non synthetic or "Organic" fertilizers need to be broken down by microbes into a synthetic form so that the plany may take it up. I dont see much of a difference. And now the government has gone so far as totell you how often to clean your tools and tractors - how does that make anything organic? with bleach none the less. Chalk it up to another corporate Hypocracy/Hypocrisy.

Furthermore - Science has proven that there is no incease in the nutritional value of "Organic" produce versus produce grown with conventional methods. YOUR WASTING YOUR MONEY.

Microbes do not break fertilizers down to a synthetic form. Synthetic by definition are things..." devised, arranged, or fabricated for special situations to imitate or replace usual realities. " They are fake but fool the user. It's the organisms in the soil breaking down the organic material that feed the soil and therefore the plant that's the basis for organic growing.

 

[slonez47]

Yeah, buttrick chose a good handle for himself. At the very least he's confusing a couple quite dis-similar words. Plants certainly don't need nutrients 'in synthetic form'... they take up nutrients as ions. They may be called 'inorganic ions'; but they are not 'synthetic ions'. That wouldn't make any sense...considering plant systems predate man-made laboratories. The question is then where do these ions come from, in nature, and the answer is the soil food web. Microbes are the foundation of the soil food web (bacteria, fungi, protozoa, nematodes). The 'soil' part of that is also pretty fucking important, since it has to be able to support such life. You help build up the foundation with organic matter.

You don't dump fertilizer on an old growth forest, and yet forests sustain massive amounts of growth with no end in site. If it wasn't for us (humans), virtually all of the USA would be lush, green, beautiful forest. It would grow on forever without our interference; without any man ever having to pour one ounce of chemical salts upon it. If you walk through a forest and examine the floor carefully you'll gather some hints as to what is actually going on there. You'll see the ground covered in litter; fallen leaves and twigs and other organic wastes that the arthropods are shredding up. Dig into it a bit and you'll see fuzzy white mycelium growing upon the moist litter nearest the ground, breaking it all down. Chances are beneath the litter is rich, black, casting-rich soil. These are the more obvious things you'll be able to witness with a naked eye; the rest of the party is invisible to us without an electron microscope

Well spoken.

 

[Wetdog]

Well spoken.

Nullis usually is.

Reminds me of that line in "Blazing Saddles". LOL, if you don't know it, watch the movie. Classic Mel Brooks. Hint: Slim Pickens had the line.

Wet

 

[snew]

Nullis usually is.

Reminds me of that line in "Blazing Saddles". LOL, if you don't know it, watch the movie. Classic Mel Brooks. Hint: Slim Pickens had the line.

Wet

You dating yourself Wet. Blazing what? Mel who? Can I get a burrmp.

 

[mr.bond]

Haha... Blazing Saddles... classic. Freakin snew and his manly cat again... or maybe the CAT is snew??????

burrmp!

 

[snew]

Haha... Blazing Saddles... classic. Freakin snew and his manly cat again... or maybe the CAT is snew??????

burrmp!

I had to get rid of 2 dogs because that cat would make them piss every time she came near. One was a Lab.

 

[Snafu1236]

I am an all organic soil grower. Click my link in the sig and watch how great organics truly are.

 

[Rrog]

So what's a more accurate term for an organic grow that is simply using soil, compost, EWC, Teas, etc. ? No commercial ferts

 

[snew]

So what's a more accurate term for an organic grow that is simply using soil, compost, EWC, Teas, etc. ? No commercial ferts

I realize that the government has a strict definition for "organic" but since the government is not involved in most of our grows then fuck the governments definition of organic. But what your doing would fit mine and most definitions of organic here.
When I can sell Jilly Bean at the farmers market then I will worry about what the government calls organic, here. I do understand what the government is doing, but as for here I don't think you can get more organic than growing in manures (compost), animal or vegetable.

 

[Rrog]

I hear ya Snew. I just like to differentiate soil + compost from soil-less + Organic bottled ferts. Those are two different things

 

[snew]

I understand I grow soil and the only bottle fert I use is alaskian fish fert. However, I feel like its different sides of the coin. Just as veganics is another organic option. Even if bottle organics is a bit unnatural to me.