Samwells Organic Comparrison Grow Vs Canna

[Samwell Seed Well]

Ok so this grow will use different nutes and soils vs tried and true Canna products

So here are my rough drafts for nutrients, for my organic grows

Plant 2- .25 HP promix and .75 RO 707

Veg- Sea Green, Nitrozeme, Primordial solutions(PS) True Bloom(foilage spray), Humagic, Rootamentary(PS), (PS) Rootbloom, Ecklonia Kelp

Flower- Sea Green, TrueBloom(spray), Bio Bloom, Fish Mix, Bio Heaven Humagic, Alg-A-Mic, Bud Swell

Plant 3 50/50 HP Pro Mix and 707

Veg-- Root Bloom, Sugar Peak, Sea Green, Humagic, Nitrozeme(FS), Ecklonia Kelp, true Bloom(Foliage Spray)

Flower-- Canna Coco A/B, Cannasym,HPK, Hi-Brix Molasses, Canna Boost, Sea Green, Ecklonia Kelp, Bud Swell

Plant 4 .25 HP Pro Mix, 3/4 RO 707

Veg-- Sea Green, Root Bloom, Bio Grow, Rootamentary,True Bloom, Root Juice, Alg-A-Mic

Flower- Sea Green, Top Max, Bio Heaven, Alg-A-Mic, Bio Bloom, TrueBloom (Foilage Spray).Hi-Brix Molasses, Bud Swell

Plant 1 will be the Bio Bizz in HP pro mix and it will be manufactures suggested dilution and feeding rates, i lost the card i have to get another, will post later

Control Plant will be HD as above and will be all canna products in Canna CoCo amended with Drip clean a de-salter( STOPS nutrietn lock out)

Do i need to expect to transplant or cant just put them in their pots right away, remember i will be using a mix of Pro mix and a Hot Soil, but which soils in which mix's im still not sure

Here are some pics of my stuff
Soils

Clones

Nutrients, just need a few more

Comments and questions are welcomed

 

[Corbat420]

i have done a simmilar comparison on my own, using AN Nutes in coco verm Mix for 1 plant and Supersoil with Compost tea for the second plant.

it was weird when i did it, the organic plant had a faster initial grow and flowring period. the Hydro plant took Longer and was smaller, but the same weight. the harvest weights were 15.5G's and 16G's (from 1 gallon pots, in a SoG)

the REAL Differance was in the smoke. the Organic smoke was lighter and sweeter on the inhale, but worse on the exhale. you could Feel how heavy the hydro bud was when you smoked it. there was a almost no taste compaired to the organic and it didn't burn as clean (Black ash...).

after my compairison i switched to organic's 100%. im going to stick around and see what the NEW Hydro nutes can do

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

im excited

this is the plant im going to do it to HD, local strain in Washington state

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

here they are fresh from the cloner looking very nice, they are in 1/3 Roots organic 707 and 2/3 HP promix hope everything goes well

 

[malignant]

this will be a great thread to follow, keep up the work, i look forward to seeing the differences, you chose top of the line synthetics to test against. are you using roots accelerator, and shooting powder? add the emerald triangle to your work, it seamlessly works with h&g which is canna in a green jug with a different label.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

this will be a great thread to follow, keep up the work, i look forward to seeing the differences, you chose top of the line synthetics to test against. are you using roots accelerator, and shooting powder? add the emerald triangle to your work, it seamlessly works with h&g which is canna in a green jug with a different label.

looks promising blends of amino and organic acids ill look into it

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Solutions E.C, PPM(e.c x 700), PH Soil

1-Bio bizz- .6, 300, 6.4 100% HP Pro Mix

2-Primordial Amended- .4, 200, 6.4 2/3 Pro Mix and 1/3 RO 707

3-Organics+ Canna-.8, 400, 6.4 50/50 Pro/RO 707

4-Bio/Promordial- 1, 500, 6.2 1/3 Pro 2/3 roots 707

all these clones are currently in 1 gallon smart pots, when i transfer should some have their soil ratios changes?

Thanks for any help, i want to hear your opinion

first feeding so i not worried about low ppm's ill tweak the solutions next time

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Heres Plant 1

Heres Plant 2

Heres Plant 3

Heres plant 4

and heres the rest of the canna plants one in pro mix and the rest in coco

the dilution rates for all the organic soil plants are around 300 with exception to the Bio Bizz plant that is in only HP PRO mix and is at 550 PPM

if i spray with nitrozyme do i need to use a saturator with it . .. . ? Its method of delivery has dilution rates for fiolage spray so i just assume no?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

So what do yall think first time using nutrients with organic labels and first time in soil, beside it being grown by me does anyone see and red flags of problems to come?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

So havent updated in a while here they are
these are the ten going in next round

BerryWhite,4-HD-Organic(or sythesized organic whatever), Chem 91, 4-HD-Canna(1HD-HP Pro Mix,1HD-no PK13/14 amended with HPK)

heres my daily nutrient feeding regiment

they all go into quartz size solutions in these

and then there is the canna products

that go in to these

thank you plz come agian

 

[Wolverine97]

While I applaud your effort, I think you have too many variables and not enough testers of each to discern with certainty which is the "best". You should first test each nutrient line all in one soil type, then after that test is complete move on to the next soil an so forth and so on...

They look pretty healthy except one, but you don't really know if it's the nutrient line, the soil, or the combination of the two that's working without testing each individually with proper controls. Not trying to sound too critical, it's good to see people eager to do these tests, but the results will be skewed.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Im not doing this to prove much, but if one specific nutrient solution and soil type works well i will replicate it over time to improve it, and a couple of these i had help designing with a member from another forum that works very well for him

ill keep updating to show what happens, i wonder what the canna in the pro mix will turn out to be so far its look very nice and lush

but im just here to show whats going on in the garden and how things work for me . .. . . .

I am skeptical that they will do better then canna, last run i did 6 of these HDs in 3 gallons, with 9 other plants in room and 2600 watts i yielded 187 grams avg off the six

so im excited to see the difference in the results, the bio line is doing very well but it has charts so it must not be doing anything really right

 

[Wolverine97]

Im not doing this to prove much, but if one specific nutrient solution and soil type works well i will replicate it over time to improve it, and a couple of these i had help designing with a member from another forum that works very well for him

ill keep updating to show what happens, i wonder what the canna in the pro mix will turn out to be so far its look very nice and lush

but im just here to show whats going on in the garden and how things work for me . .. . . .

I am skeptical that they will do better then canna, last run i did 6 of these HDs in 3 gallons, with 9 other plants in room and 2600 watts i yielded 187 grams avg off the six

so im excited to see the difference in the results, the bio line is doing very well but it has charts so it must not be doing anything really right

Yeah, don't take me the wrong way, it's a good thing. But it's kinda like rolling the dice as well; there could be the magic combo in there somewhere that you miss because you didn't try each soil with each nutrient line.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

well to be honest only one plant is under a specific nutrient line, besides my control HD in canna coco which i have harvested 15 times or so now, in different styles and techniques

and the others are combinations of nutrients that other MMj growers here in washington use and have great results with. Only one plant is using one line and its doing great, others have the proper ingredients and

additives for the soils im using

all the nutrients i use are top quality and are safe for growing whatever look into some of the nutrients additives im using across the different solutions

http://www.hendrikusorganics.com/soilamendments.php

http://www.beneficialbiologics.com/

http://www.4hydro.com/nutrients/eckloniaKelpStim.asp

http://www.biobizz.nl/

i did alot of research and Q & A with people who have much more experience then I,spanning more than a couple generations in some cases, and much more then anyone here that i have talked to but, most on here have a chip on there shoulders about novise growers and their scene changing, if you want a scene go back to high school or start acting

they hate helping new growers like growing styles and techniques are some special little toy they have to covet and keep to themselves , and im sure there are lots of amazing growers here, here just trolls/ grumpy old men, or they are to big to care until someone they respect says so

trend following hipsters

but you Wolvie you seem well informed and open minded the best kind of grower

thanks for your thougths

 

[Wolverine97]

well to be honest only one plant is under a specific nutrient line, besides my control HD in canna coco which i have harvested 15 times or so now, in different styles and techniques

and the others are combinations of nutrients that other MMj growers here in washington use and have great results with. Only one plant is using one line and its doing great, others have the proper ingredients and

additives for the soils im using

all the nutrients i use are top quality and are safe for growing whatever look into some of the nutrients additives im using across the different solutions

http://www.hendrikusorganics.com/soilamendments.php

http://www.beneficialbiologics.com/

http://www.4hydro.com/nutrients/eckloniaKelpStim.asp

http://www.biobizz.nl/

i did alot of research and Q & A with people who have much more experience then I,spanning more than a couple generations in some cases, and much more then anyone here that i have talked to but, most on here have a chip on there shoulders about novise growers and their scene changing, if you want a scene go back to high school or start acting

they hate helping new growers like growing styles and techniques are some special little toy they have to covet and keep to themselves , and im sure there are lots of amazing growers here, here just trolls/ grumpy old men, or they are to big to care until someone they respect says so

trend following hipsters

but you Wolvie you seem well informed and open minded the best kind of grower

thanks for your thougths

Knowledge should be shared freely for everyones improvement. Thanks for the kind words.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Did some transplanting with my horrible looking plants feed with Snake oils and phoenix tears

God they look horrible

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

temps were a little high yesterday hopefully keeping my 8in fan on all day will help

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

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[Samwell Seed Well]

heres a update

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

about two weeks from the flip and will be transferring as soon as possible in to bigger pots hopefully 7 gallons