Where Are The Pure Sativa Strains At?!

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poplars

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I highly doubt that
this isn't a thread of can't, if I have very strong sun that feels stronger than so-cal sun, I think I have potential to pull this off. I've had crazy energizing sativas out here, only somewhat trippy so far, but I haven't got into serious breeding of them yet, but I'm betting the results will be very good.

I mean you realize up towards the top of cali during the summer solstice that area of the earth is tilted very close to the sun, and it is so dry here that a lot of the UV gets through . . .

but it's cool, if you wanna keep doubting it you can go somewhere else, this isn't a thread of you can't, this is a thread of possibility.
 

billcollector99

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Who said anything about cant? I just said i doubt that the sun is stronger up there, thats all.

And some kind of proof to back up your statement.

Not to mention most sativas grow better in humid conditions... not dry.
 

poplars

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Key word in my statement being Most, notice i didnt say all.
then I think the mexi sativa is next on the list.. yum yum. I still got some mexi sativa seeds somebody sent me.


idk how I could prove that my sun is as intense as I say it is, don't know that a lumens device would be accurate for comparisons....so I don't know how I could offer proof of that. oh well.
 

Unnk

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it's probably the extra UV at the equator that brings the last bit of THC out. the last time i saw anyone asking about UV lighting indoors though, a lot of people were seriously opposed to it eg. tanning bulbs in shoplights. i still think it's doable. if a light is safe enough to tan under, it's safe enough at further distances for shorter exposure times and you could always turn the UV off when you enter the room. i wouldn't be surprised that lack of UV was behind the highland thai i attempted being pretty much nothing but stoney when i cut it down for turning hermie.

keep your eye out for a reasonably new member here too whom i've seen asking about his mexican commercial bagseed. i bet a lot of us here are interested in that gear. i still i wish i had my dozen or more differently sourced brick seeds. a couple of them were exceptional even in brick form. i called 3 of the best ones red (as in panama), gold (columbian) & purple (haze) and used some of the color coded $5 & $10 sacks i used to get it in to keep them and particularly miss the two keepers i called spicy that had a taste similar to kali mist.

i don't know about everyone else, but i'd rather get seeded bud than sinse any day.
UV does not effect type of cannibinoids in your weed it will affect the ammount of a certain cannibinoid in the weed but not the type

theres a article that bricktop put up about it affecting the ammount of cannibinoids in the plant not the type

the reasoning goes like this thc/other cannibinoids is manufactured in the plant tto protect the plant / seeds from the sun from the presence of UVB

uva and uvc are destructive but uvb is productive the tests showde between 10- 30% increase in cannibinoids

it how ever did not effect the type of cannibinoids in the weed

so your explanation for trying to base a buzz off of a early picked hermie plant is slightly flawed


edit ps. the last time uv was talked about? you mean all the time

edit ps ps. mexi brick seeds? i have 1000 atleast here ranging in many years of age

edit ps ps ps your a new user here.....
 

billcollector99

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then I think the mexi sativa is next on the list.. yum yum. I still got some mexi sativa seeds somebody sent me.


idk how I could prove that my sun is as intense as I say it is, don't know that a lumens device would be accurate for comparisons....so I don't know how I could offer proof of that. oh well.
Cool man, Im not trying to start a fight.

You would be surprised at what can come of some mexi bagseed - i grew one out last summer from some brickweed, my first grow, and she turned out pretty dank


 

hazey grapes

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i haven't seen anyone talking about UV in years and i've only been HERE about a month and mostly just stick to strains & smoke reporting threads. as to the THC profile, i was saying that maybe the insufficient light in general & possibly lack of UV caused the THC to degrade to cannabinoids early where you'd only expect that to happen at the end of flowering. i don't really know the why behind it, but i just couldn't believe that thai could ever be "nothing but stoney". i would have expected it to be extra clear headed and/or energetic so early into flowering. i'd love to know why the THC profile sucked so much... no psychoactivity either.

i just found a potentially interesting IBL source that supposedly has REAL panama red. i was just asking about bidding sites in the seed collectors' thread and someone there liked SeurBidz so i decided to check it out and looked immediately at their panama red description under sativas. that source is definitely worth researching to see if it's legit & you want that legendary strain. i thought i'd pass the info along. here's the description:
Panama Red is a unique, pure Sativa that is a delight to grow and smoke. A truly unique Sativa for the connoisseur grower.

This line was sourced by collectors in Colombia for BCO from a line originating in Panama, and is, believed to be true to type for many of the traits that helped to form the legends of the Panama Red imports to the North Americas. It is not related to any of the common Colombian Genepools we have encountered over many years of collecting and growing Pure Sativas from the region, and hence, our feeling is this is a authentic, Panama Red line.

Panama RedHair is a very easy line to grow, it requires no special maintenance and is both productive indoors, producing relatively high yields for a pure Sativa Cultivar. She is a quick line for pure Sativa, finishing in 16 weeks approximately during our tests indoors. She yields very high for a pure Sativa, forming long, quite dense colas of flowers with very high THC levels. Panama Red is extremely resistant to moulds, however, she is not resistant to mites at all, so this is not a line for gardens suffering from mites as they will be attracted to her. For outdoor growing, the Panama RedHair is a almost perfect pure Sativa, she requires a extremely small amount of water, survives droughts and needs really no fertilization to produce high crop yields.

Plants grow to the typical Christmas tree Sativa profile, with a long central cola forming. Once in flower, you will immediately notice the very Red coloration of her pistils. Not Brown, but a very striking red colour. Some red colorations will also be seen in the stems, leaf and other areas of the plants. When dry, the finished flowers take on a very rust colouration from the long Red hairs and red calyx, and are quite unique. Panama Red finished flowers display a very high resin content for a pure Sativa Cultivar, forming resins over all flower areas and also on sugar leaf.

Panama Red finished flowers deliver a wonderful mix of tropical taste and high THC effects. From the initial inhale a slightly overripe citrus taste is noticeable, the kind of Citrus notes you experience with the finest Red Hashish, on the exhale this changes to a slightly more earthy, tobacco, Hash flavour. She is totally smooth as silk, with no lung expansion, no cough or choke. Just thick smoke and delightful smoked pure as a joint.

Effects are immediate, the smoothness of the smoke does not prepare you for the very strong initial hit, once effects take place, you immediately know you are smoking a very high THC flower. It takes you very high, very quickly, greatly enhancing vision, hearing and all senses. Definite, pronounced psychedelic effects. She has no ceiling at all, so every draw from a joint sends you ever higher. It is not a perfectly clear high, it is slightly cloudy, but very, very strong. Once the initial strength of the high clears, you are left with a very calming, relaxed body, and very active mind. Wandering from thought to thought through various introspective to other perspective changes and stages, not able to totally focus on any one thing. The high appears to effect the front of the brain initially, moving to the back as effects wear off and lingering there for a very long time.

Panama Red has one of the longest lasting Highs I have come across and effects stay with you for hours, if not full days. I have spent full days out tending plants and spent 8 hours happily high from previous intake, despite having more, my body and mind was not crying out for it. A real rarity, and with the enhanced visual, audible and other senses, a absolute joy for those that enjoy the great outdoors, the perfect companion.

Panama Red is a easy Sativa to grow, she is extremely strong, productive and requires little maintenance. She can give a superb quality indoors and out but, she has no resistance to mites and is not recommended for any garden where they are present, as they will colonise and destroy plants.

Specifications:
Indica: 100% Sativa
Indoor/Greenhouse: 16 Weeks
Outdoor finish: November, 40 degrees latitude and South.
Odor level: Low
Mite resistance: Very Low
Mould Resistance: High
Stretch: 3x and greater
Yield: Very High
16 weeks? that sure doesn't sound like a hybrid! i'd really like to hear more about the strain if anyone decides to try it. maybe i'll even give it a try next summer if i can find a good location to stealth it with some ground SCROGging. that one would have to be started indoors though and probably harvested early too, but if it's legit, i'd sure love to say i've tried real panama red. then, if i could find acapulco gold too, i can say i've tried the mexican holy trinity and even oaxican too.

that trippy buzz sounds too good to be true.

i'd really like to see someone take THAT and work it with some C99 & ruderalis to get it at least down to 12 weeks without any afghani influence ruining the show.

it would really suck if it turned out that it was another crock of BS, but if it's legit...

hmmm... i tried sharing the nice looking razor leaf bud pic, but it has some PHP hacker shit going on. stuff like that makes me jumpy.
 

Unnk

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uv has been talked about for ages and is still talked about


you do understand a placebo effect right? its hard for me to trust a opinion on a buzz of a unfinished plant your plant had no where near finishedi ts profile

as well what ever you smoked could have degraded its cannibinoids AFTER you cut it down not while it was still living

im just saying you cant determine the buzz or affect of the plant it self or the species that way

its basing somehting off of 1 plant that wasnt even completed properly or grown to its potential or even to regular standards
 

hazey grapes

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i know SOMETHING was wrong, i just don't know WHAT. the gal was NEVER happy in my garden getting rootbound & yellowing TWICE before even flowering & no, there was no placebo effect. the THC profile was extremely stony, way more than skunk #1 & blueberry ever wanted to be, very potent even for such tiny amounts of resin, but definitely stony. i don't know what the problem was. the growth pattern was 100% IBL... very stretchy & slow with very big fan leaves. it could have just been the stress of being transplanted twice or maybe that's just the THC profile early in flowering. i'm very sensitive to couchlock, maybe more than most people. maybe i just had a bad plant too. it did turn hermie afterall.

i was just stopping back to say that SeurBidz Black Haze looks interesting too. that one's description mentions above average visuals and several phenotypes that all sound fun.
 

Unnk

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hazey you have to do way more research before opening your mouth because your saying that it has a tthc profile early profile the thc wasnt even properly formed at that point if it had thc at that it was a improper compound ratio because the degrade had not happen yet

just please understand im not trying to fight but you gotta learn more about the life cycle of the plant it self and the biological responses

edit ps. "maybe i just had a bad plant too. it did turn hermie afterall."

see i agree here with you completely and its more than likely what happened
 

FriendlyTokez

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Maybe because sativas are known to take longer to finish? And be more finnicky. Maybe there is less demand for them, that's the only thing I would guess if there is a shortage.
Attitude is carrying this new breeder line called Trichome Jungle if anybody has heard about them. I don't have the time to do a test run on a new brand. For energizing sativas try looking at what TGA Seeds has in stock, their crosses kick @** bro. Not all of them are sativas but another good one is the Jack's Cleaner 2.
Soma Seeds is also a serious breeder consequently their stock is expensive. Besides the Amnesia Haze you can try the Free Tibet, you'll be soaring.
 

hazey grapes

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the THC COULD degrade as i was smoking mostly months old leaf. hello! i know that at least in buds, yes the THC starts degrading at the end of flowering. that's how you know when to harvest. you must think i'm stupid and didn't re-read cervantes AWESOME indoor marijuana horticulture at least 4 times cover to cover along with my other two inferior grow guides that had less info COMBINED a couple times back in the late 80s. true, i've forgotten a lot and skipped past the college level genetics info, but i still remember what CBD, CBN & terpenes are.

i have no idea, like i said, why the THC was so fucked up. i'm only naming "likely candidates". THC DOES degrade to cannabinoids (another word i remember, though i've been incorrectly spelling it canniboids for years) at the end of flowering and SHOULD be almost non-existant early in floweing in an IBL sativa. didn't i freakin' just say that?! the whole thing doesn't make sense. that's my point.

instead of implying that i haven't done any reading on this subject when i'm sure i've forgotten more than many know, how about offering a plausible explanation of your own & be productive, huh? it doesn't sound like you have the answer either, otherwise, you would have concetrated more on that and less on trying to talk down to me & assuming i don't know a freakin' plants life cycle. go read cervantes' ORIGINAL indoor marijuana horticulture, i'll bet a dollar here and now that the EXACT figure he gives for the correct time to harvest is
when the trichromes have degraded 20%!!!
with mention of letting them go longer for a stonier buzz & harvesting sooner for a more energetic one. i no longer have his book and haven't read it since 1989 maybe, but i'm POSITIVE he said 20% or maybe 15%-20%, but NOT 25% or more.

that info or any other i have can't explain why highland thai would EVER be stoner bud at the beginning of flowering. nothing i know can explain it. if you REALLY ARE so much smarter than me, then you explain it einstein. you're the one with all the answers it seems. i only have unanswered questions.
 

Unnk

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im sorry i sound condescending the wife says that too

thats why i asked you to look up aspergers it may help you understand me


just as your fiery about beleifs i am as well

i have a huge problem with debating i like it to much

i jsut concentrate on telling what i know

so if i sound like a know it all i dont mean to

im just saying you sound as if you havent done your reading

i have a problem with my social filter (aspergers)

i dont know when or where i sound like a asshole (my wife even says so)

my only explanation for the fact that the plant was stony is this:

leaves trichromes degrade faster than the actual buds trichromes

your leaves could have attained some thc then throught the month that you didnt touch it degraded down to cbn

which in my opinion would account for the "couch lock" fuck i dont wanna do anyhting feeling

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
 

poplars

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Cool man, Im not trying to start a fight.

You would be surprised at what can come of some mexi bagseed - i grew one out last summer from some brickweed, my first grow, and she turned out pretty dank


wow.. you just made me drool.... props to you sir!!!!
 

hazey grapes

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the couchlock wasn't really a full body lock as much as the worst case of lead eye ever. i just wasn't expecting ANY kind of couchlock, especially in pre-flower. it's cool if you have aspergers. i'll try to make a mental note to take the blunt stuff with a grain of salt. really, it looks like you came to more or less the same conclusion as me, though i wasn't aware leaves' THC degrades faster than buds'. remember too, the leaves turned seriously yellow like the plant was about to die twice. that could have interrupted THC development and sped up degredation. i'm just going to wait until i have the time & space to try IBLs again and stick with hybrids. there's some pretty decent gear out there that works for me & i'mreally liking the sound of the panama red & black haze. i hope that maybe a breeder like ace seeds or world of seeds picks one or both up and does something with them fresh genetics like that would be really nice to see on the market as so much out there now is just reshuffling the original dozen or so dutch strains.
 
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