Lets Stop Immigration To Help Eliminate Unemployment And Raise The Standard Of Living

[Filthy Phil]

Beardo, how do you feel about the idea that many of the busonesses that are barely haning on are doing so due to cheap labor costs of illegals? That without these cheap costs many financial border zone businesses would collapse?

 

[beardo]

Beardo, how do you feel about the idea that many of the busonesses that are barely haning on are doing so due to cheap labor costs of illegals? That without these cheap costs many financial border zone businesses would collapse?

I think the whole economy is skewed by price controlls and regulations and subsidies and taxes- and sociteys values and priorites are way off, in what kind of world can an actor get millions while a farmer worries about poverty and has to break laws and take advantage of workers just to get ahead or break even? Why is unhealthy food so cheap? Why am i taxed to subsidize corn? I think the system is broken and our values misplaced- my heros are farmers and doctors and teachers - yes i feel for struggeling farmers but illegal immigrant labor is not the answer, it is the system that makes using immigrant labor part of the buisness modle that I have a problem with

 

[redivider]

the problem is that capitalism is failing us. capitalism works best when the competition is fierce.

when you have different stores in every city providing similar services and competing... when instead of a walgreens at every corner there's smith's pharmacy, jackson pharmacy, etc.. when smaller more regional companies reign the marketplace... not when everything seems to be a national chain...

these monopolistic ultra corporate money vacuums are hurting our economy more than helping it.

 

[Filthy Phil]

I see that I am the only advocating tens of millions of poor people around the world be allowed to come here and work

No, im for it.

 

[beardo]

the problem is that capitalism is failing us. capitalism works best when the competition is fierce.

when you have different stores in every city providing similar services and competing... when instead of a walgreens at every corner there's smith's pharmacy, jackson pharmacy, etc.. when smaller more regional companies reign the marketplace... not when everything seems to be a national chain...

these monopolistic ultra corporate money vacuums are hurting our economy more than helping it.

I totally agree with everything you said- except, i don't think the problem is a failure of capitalisim and the free market- i think the problem is interference and intervention in the free market that is causing most of these problems- govt picking winners and losers and imposing regulations that prevent competition and I also think globalization and free trade are part of our problems.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

I totally agree with everything you said- except, i don't think the problem is a failure of capitalisim and the free market- i think the problem is interference and intervention in the free market that is causing most of these problems- govt picking winners and losers and imposing regulations that prevent competition and I also think globalization and free trade are part of our problems.

I know I get giddy inside when I shop and Trader Joe's and buy a bar of Fair Trade Humanitarian chocolate. Even though it tastes the same as any other medium grade chocolate, I mean I get this self indignation that adds a whole new flavor that wasn't there before.

 

[beardo]

I know I get giddy inside when I shop and Trader Joe's and buy a bar of Free Trade Humanitarian chocolate. Even though it tastes the same as any other medium grade chocolate, I mean I get this self indignation that adds a whole new flavor that wasn't there before.

I get that feeling when I buy from farm stands from the people who actually raise their own fruits vegtables and animals for food- sure i could get it cheaper but its nice to know whos producing your food where its coming from and who your moneys going to

 

[dukeanthony]

Next time you Go to your Farm stand
See if you can walk around back to see the Boxes the Veggies and Fruits were shipped in

My cousin is a Millionaire
He will supply the Pick up truck and a load of Sweet corn for you to sell at a Roadside place of your Choice

 

[Canna Sylvan]

I get that feeling when I buy from farm stands from the people who actually raise their own fruits vegtables and animals for food- sure i could get it cheaper but its nice to know whos producing your food where its coming from and who your moneys going to

Actually, the reason I shop at Trader Joe's is vegan foods have a V on them and I'm lazy.

 

[NoDrama]

They Paid more
They even tried forcing parolees to do the job

Crops rotted in the Feilds Asshole

Now go back to whatever white supremacist site you came from and tell them you are failing

You misspelled field, therefore your argument could not possibly be correct.

 

[dukeanthony]

You misspelled field, therefore your argument could not possibly be correct.

Always mispell Freinds and your moms a whore

 

[beardo]

Everyone needs to go to Numbersusa.com
they want to help fix our country- it's a great idea.

 

[dukeanthony]

Everyone needs to go to Numbersusa.com
they want to help fix our country- it's a great idea.

One Racist Created all these Groups including Numbersusa


A 2002 SPLC report listed 13 immigration-restriction groups which they said were founded and/or funded by Tanton.[22]

• American Immigration Control Foundation - AICF, 1983, funded
• American Patrol/Voice of Citizens Together - 1992, funded
• California Coalition for Immigration Reform - CCIR, 1994, funded
• Californians for Population Stabilization - 1996, funded (founded separately in 1986)
• Center for Immigration Studies - CIS, 1985, founded and funded
• Federation for American Immigration Reform - FAIR, 1979, founded and funded
• NumbersUSA - 1996, founded and funded
• Population-Environment Balance - 1973, joined board in 1980
• ProEnglish - 1994, founded and funded
• ProjectUSA - 1999, funded
• The Social Contract Press - 1990, founded and funded
• U.S. English - 1983, founded and funded
• U.S. Inc. - 1982, founded and funded

 

[beardo]

Racist

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[dukeanthony]

Stop being a racist I will stop with the "racist thing"

I Like the Irony of 88s playing victim

Seen a cartoon of a guy and a bunch of Parrots Crying anti Semitism

Oh you Poor misunderstood bigots

 

[beardo]

Stop being a racist I will stop with the "racist thing"

I Like the Irony of 88s playing victim

Seen a cartoon of a guy and a bunch of Parrots Crying anti Semitism

Oh you Poor misunderstood bigots

You sure do like to chastise minorites

 

[Filthy Phil]

Guys...why cant we have a discussion without it becoming in the end jabs and insults at eachother and no discussion of the topic at hand. Im not saying Im perfect because I do it too,( just ask hephasteaus420) but it gets us nowhere. Usually I would just walk away, however there are some of you who are very well informed,perhaps with info I disagree with, but enough to at least have an interesting discussion. This is an important topic and I think given the correct frame of mind we all stand a large chance to learn some new perspective here.

So,lets consider it a given that we all despise some of the comments,opinions and viewpoints. Some of us really dislike some of us. Thats.fine. Lets talk.

I guess I have a different view of immigration. Since I was young my father has made it a point for me to travel outside the us, usually to latin america. He wasnt wealthy,but made it a priority. He said we are more than americans, we are citizens of earth. After college I spent 4 years living in SE Asia. I met my wife there, I brought her back to america where we live now. Much of the.most valued things in my life exist or happened in other.countries. I have experienced kindness and hospitality all over the world. I have witnessed the threads that tie all of humanity together as one. Of course it wasnt all sunshine and roses, but such is life in general. It pains me to have had to look an amazingly dynamic person who is a friend of mine in the eye.and know that many people in my country wouldnt want them there simply because they.were born somewhere else. Sorry, you're vietnamese, or mexican, or cambodian, turkish, colombian, algerian, or iranian, your a great person, the thought of the opportunity to work hard and earn a modest living excites you, but you cant come. Thats hard man....

This country owes its.existance to the spirit of imigration, the spirit of uprooting your life for the opportunity to better it through hard work. And we shun people while they live in abject poverty and oppressive governments. And most americans call themselves christian as they close the door on billions of peoples hopes and dreams. Apparantly the american dream is for americans only, everyone else can get their own right?

 

[beardo]

Guys...why cant we have a discussion without it becoming in the end jabs and insults at eachother and no discussion of the topic at hand. Im not saying Im perfect because I do it too,( just ask hephasteaus420) but it gets us nowhere. Usually I would just walk away, however there are some of you who are very well informed,perhaps with info I disagree with, but enough to at least have an interesting discussion. This is an important topic and I think given the correct frame of mind we all stand a large chance to learn some new perspective here.

So,lets consider it a given that we all despise some of the comments,opinions and viewpoints. Some of us really dislike some of us. Thats.fine. Lets talk.

I guess I have a different view of immigration. Since I was young my father has made it a point for me to travel outside the us, usually to latin america. He wasnt wealthy,but made it a priority. He said we are more than americans, we are citizens of earth. After college I spent 4 years living in SE Asia. I met my wife there, I brought her back to america where we live now. Much of the.most valued things in my life exist or happened in other.countries. I have experienced kindness and hospitality all over the world. I have witnessed the threads that tie all of humanity together as one. Of course it wasnt all sunshine and roses, but such is life in general. It pains me to have had to look an amazingly dynamic person who is a friend of mine in the eye.and know that many people in my country wouldnt want them there simply because they.were born somewhere else. Sorry, you're vietnamese, or mexican, or cambodian, turkish, colombian, algerian, or iranian, your a great person, the thought of the opportunity to work hard and earn a modest living excites you, but you cant come. Thats hard man....

This country owes its.existance to the spirit of imigration, the spirit of uprooting your life for the opportunity to better it through hard work. And we shun people while they live in abject poverty and oppressive governments. And most americans call themselves christian as they close the door on billions of peoples hopes and dreams. Apparantly the american dream is for americans only, everyone else can get their own right?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Filthy Phil again.

Great post, i'm working on a response

 

[dukeanthony]

Awesome. I have traveled all over the world. And my wife happens to of been from Asia. So I tkae it like me you have dealt with immigration before?
It took us almost 8 months to get thru the process to get here. Now imagine if your wife was mexican. It would take upwards of 2 decades. Is that right?

 

[beardo]

My personal issue isn't with immigrants or people in or from other countrys- my issue is with hypocracy and lies and being taken advantage of.
Many people pay around 50% of their income in taxes- i'm including all taxes and programs, as in you keep 50 cents on a dollar you earn- for some it's more for some it's less, that meens that half of your days work, every day of your life.
Many of us have served in the military or had family that served- over many years and generations, many people have died.
We have borders and immigration laws, we have price controlls and minimum wadges
The system we have and have put into is set up to give us an advantage- just because were citizens we have an advantage, that has been paid for dearly
It might be an "unfair advantage" but it is one that we have set up to benifit us, and benifit us it has.
Morally I think it is wrong and we should probably open the borarders and draw back the military and compete with the world and befriend our neighbors and accept the changes that would come with that.
But as it is were paying for border patroll and immigration and the military and corperate tax breaks, and we had wars which devistated many countrys and their economys
If we are to continue to put into this system I would like it to be clear in what it is and what it's purpose is- we should be benifiting from these investments and policys, we should not be being charged and taken advantage of and lied to to further enrich those few that are running the system and giving them more power and consolidating that power while we lose the benifits of that system. we could have great employment numbers and high pay and a high standard of living - by limiting immigration we would limit the number of workers making each worker more valuable- with the military we can ensure very low oil prices for our consumers and buisnesses- with a relaxing of taxes and regulations we can increase manufacturing instead of sending it overseas where they do not have the regulations or have lower pay scale-And if we pay our workers in "Dollars" we would ensure the wealth of our nation.
I say use everything to OUR advantage or stop charging us to enrich the rich and the rest of the world at our expense- Why should we be paying for forigen aid to packistan when I see homeless people on my way to work?