Club Vert(600)

[Samwell Seed Well]

dont for a second think its not costing me, but until i get my Mini Split, and that will stop any air exchange from room to outside air, and ill be able to get a co2 burner and get some negative pressure going with perfect air exchange rates get the co2 perfect

then ill be cooking

 

[Sir Stickybuds]

I was also thinking instead of a cooltube, what if the exhaust pulled from within inches of the top of the bulb so like a cooltube setup but no glass only the vent that attaches to it pulling air directly from above the light and hopefully sucking up the heat

 

[OGEvilgenius]

I think as long as the vertically hung light is in some sort of cooltube it should be fine but I can't say for sure that the temps would stay where you need them with both lights in the 3x3. With that high CFM fan, I would think you'd be fine.
I'm off to get a new cooltube so I can get cracking on this.

Later

From what I've seen in others grow journals, temps are quite manageable with a bare bulb, even fairly close to buds. The reflector actually catches a lot of heat and heat rises. If you have a fan blowing upwards on the bulb you should get really good air movement and help to keep temps pretty reasonable I bet. There are so many reasons to grow vertically I see no reason to do it any other way.

 

[bassman999]

After I get experienced enough with regular growing Ill delve into space/energy saving vert growing, till then Ill learn from the pros here...lol

 

[Dezracer]

I was also thinking instead of a cooltube, what if the exhaust pulled from within inches of the top of the bulb so like a cooltube setup but no glass only the vent that attaches to it pulling air directly from above the light and hopefully sucking up the heat

I was thinking about this exact thing last night and may give it a go. I'm going to try just using a fan blowing upwards too, like already mentioned by OGEvilgenius, but as of yesterday my tent looks like the attached thumbnails. I just need to see if I can manage the heat and odor without buying any additional equipment.

The filter is on the floor because I only have one good arm at the moment. I will have it hung by a friend soon.

 

[MEGAyielder420]

Wudup RIU MEGAyielder here master vertical light grower. This is my shit right here. I have been growing vertical for quite sometime now and have alot of input and experience. If anyone has any questions Id be more than happy to answer them or help out in any way that I can. If I dont know the answer we will figure it out together. I swear by vertical lighting but its not just vertical lighting boys and girls there are many other factors that people lack to focus on. You want to make sure your plants and light are all spaced out the same. If you dont have lights around every plant you want to make sure you are rotating them. In my opinion vertical lighting is meant for trees and not small plants, at least to reap the benifits of the vert light anyways. Remember that over head 1000 watt lights are only good for 4 ft anything bigger than that will not benifit from the over head light. This is why I say vert is better for trees.

Vert vs Overhead. Over head you are only really getting the best of 180 degreez of light. If you are using a hood with glass or cooltube your lummens will decreas even more and forget about what people say about the hood has a reflector and the other half of the overhead horizontal light will reflect down, this is bullshit. One the other hand vertical lighting uses 100 percent of the light providing 360 degreez of light, and lets not even talk about barebulb with no glass. Hands down vert is the shit. Here are a couple pics for you guys of my previous vert grows. You can also reffer to my previous grows for any ideas or info. I have been very busy lately so please give me atleast 24 to 48 hrs to reply. Pics below are from 2 different grows with some different strains in both.

Awesome thread G hopefully we will make believers out of vertical light skeptics. I have turned people to vert in the past and enjoy teaching this. I will be around brotha. Be easy

MEGA

 

[MEGAyielder420]

I harvested a little over 5 lbs from this run with only 2 x 1000 watt HPS see for yourself. Now do you believe?

 

[snowgrow19]

Thanks RIU for making a vertical growing forum. I love growing vert, it's the only way to go. Ive got a few vertical grows under my belt and currently have a 2 x 600w vertical flooded tube set up running, check it out.

Current Grow >>>> https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/482729-vertical-flooded-tube-v-3-a.html <<<<

400w Vertical DWC buckets

2 x 600w Vertical Flooded Tube version 1

2 x 600w Vertical Flooded Tube version 2

2 x 600w Vertical Flooded Tube version 3
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[snowgrow19]

From what I've seen in others grow journals, temps are quite manageable with a bare bulb, even fairly close to buds. The reflector actually catches a lot of heat and heat rises. If you have a fan blowing upwards on the bulb you should get really good air movement and help to keep temps pretty reasonable I bet. There are so many reasons to grow vertically I see no reason to do it any other way.

this is true. One of my grows I had a very tight space with 2 bare 600w bulbs.

All you need is a good fan blowing directly upwards over the bulb and you'll be fine. Keep the plants more than 6 inches from the bulbs though, that's when you start getting bleaching.

 

[genuity]

lovein all the good post/info.
@snowgrow19,what was wrong with v.1?
that setup looks spot on.

 

[mr west]

subbed for the pron and the skills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking good chaps

 

[snowgrow19]

lovein all the good post/info.
@snowgrow19,what was wrong with v.1?
that setup looks spot on.

Thanks genuity, it wasn't that anything was wrong with it really, I just have a desire to tweak things, haha. The only problem I encountered was that the system was too small to make full use of 2 600w lights. I came to the conclusion that a good ratio of light per square foot in vertical seems to be around 20-25w/sq ft. This system had about 50w/sq ft, so I decided to increase the canopy size around the same lighting, and hopefully increasing my yield up into the 1.5+gpw range

Also... I was convinced by a friend of mine to go without glass. It definitely increases trich production and weight, even if only by a small amount, I prefer it now. So v.1 was too small with glass, v.2 was the same size without glass and this is when it clicked in my head that i needed to increase the canopy size, so in v.3 I have increased the size from around 20 sq ft to about 50 sq ft. Plus, now I can get into my system to move around and work in there which is much more convenient for maintenance purposes.

 

[mellokitty]

tryna:

http://www.dial.de/CMS/English/Articles/DIALux/Download/Download_d_e_fr_it_es_cn.html#

this is a link to download a lighting schematics program (apparently it's an industry standard in the lighting biz).... you just punch your numbers in and it spits out a 3d image of what your space will look like. i haven't gotten to play with it yet but here's some examples of what you can do with it (thank you Gastanker!)

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/445920-16000-watts-medigrow-og-kush-49.html#post6546667

 

[djlifeline]

Hi Everyone,

Looking to go vert! Unfortunately only got 1 plant going atm so not sure if worth while... Looking to pop another 2.
Seen this floating about a bit and went to post a thread about it then come across this, and boy am i glad I did!
I only have a 400w hps but have a 8ft high cupboard (closet if your in the states lol) so in theory if I hang vertical then I wouldn't have to worry about height and it getting near the bulb then?

Also I always wondered if hanged vertically would it still grow up (obviously still leans towards the light) clearly from the pics it does!

Anyone got advice or info for me? Can't really upgrade from my 400w but im happy with it for my needs.

Thanks guys!

 

[MEGAyielder420]

Hi Everyone,

Looking to go vert! Unfortunately only got 1 plant going atm so not sure if worth while... Looking to pop another 2.
Seen this floating about a bit and went to post a thread about it then come across this, and boy am i glad I did!
I only have a 400w hps but have a 8ft high cupboard (closet if your in the states lol) so in theory if I hang vertical then I wouldn't have to worry about height and it getting near the bulb then?

Also I always wondered if hanged vertically would it still grow up (obviously still leans towards the light) clearly from the pics it does!

Anyone got advice or info for me? Can't really upgrade from my 400w but im happy with it for my needs.

Thanks guys!

I dont really think the vertical lighting would be so benificial for you at the moment. To answer your ? yes the plant will still grow upwards it will always grow upwards. The auxins will allways go up, now the vertical will help alot with the side branching and stretching. It will not grow upwards as fast as if you used overhead lighting. Hope this helps. If you have anymore questions just holler.

 

[djlifeline]

I dont really think the vertical lighting would be so benificial for you at the moment. To answer your ? yes the plant will still grow upwards it will always grow upwards. The auxins will allways go up, now the vertical will help alot with the side branching and stretching. It will not grow upwards as fast as if you used overhead lighting. Hope this helps. If you have anymore questions just holler.

Thanks for your reply. I wasn't sure if would be beneficial to me. Was just thinking the heat issue might be slightly decreased by hanging bare build vertical with fan blowing up? I just hang in a normal reflector at the moment with fans going. Gets pretty hot. Obviously not too hot.

 

[Beansly]

I was also thinking instead of a cooltube, what if the exhaust pulled from within inches of the top of the bulb so like a cooltube setup but no glass only the vent that attaches to it pulling air directly from above the light and hopefully sucking up the heat

That's what I do.
I have a horizontal reflector that I took the bulb mount off of and attached it to the bulb and ducting. Seems to work, but honestly I'm not sure it wouldn't work without it. I have pics of how I did it somewhere. Let me see if I can find them.

 

[genuity]

Thanks genuity, it wasn't that anything was wrong with it really, I just have a desire to tweak things, haha. The only problem I encountered was that the system was too small to make full use of 2 600w lights. I came to the conclusion that a good ratio of light per square foot in vertical seems to be around 20-25w/sq ft. This system had about 50w/sq ft, so I decided to increase the canopy size around the same lighting, and hopefully increasing my yield up into the 1.5+gpw range

Also... I was convinced by a friend of mine to go without glass. It definitely increases trich production and weight, even if only by a small amount, I prefer it now. So v.1 was too small with glass, v.2 was the same size without glass and this is when it clicked in my head that i needed to increase the canopy size, so in v.3 I have increased the size from around 20 sq ft to about 50 sq ft. Plus, now I can get into my system to move around and work in there which is much more convenient for maintenance purposes.

this is what we like to see,info-info-info...

tryna:

http://www.dial.de/CMS/English/Articles/DIALux/Download/Download_d_e_fr_it_es_cn.html#

this is a link to download a lighting schematics program (apparently it's an industry standard in the lighting biz).... you just punch your numbers in and it spits out a 3d image of what your space will look like. i haven't gotten to play with it yet but here's some examples of what you can do with it (thank you Gastanker!)

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/445920-16000-watts-medigrow-og-kush-49.html#post6546667

thanks mellokitty,im gonna try that out.

subbed for the pron and the skills>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking good chaps

right on mr west.

 

[Dezracer]

I got my veg tent sorted for the most part today by getting a 4 bbucket version of my RDWC set up, filled with water , leak tested, plants put in it and my T8 fixture hung vertically from my light rail. I put a tray on top of a couple buckets too so I could put my other small plants in there. I now just need to get the exhaust fan hung and connect the ducting between the two tents and mount the two shelves in there and it will be all set. We made the vertical screens that will eventually be attached to the 6" net pot bucket lids too but then ran out of time so I'll attach them in a few days or so.

I'll get some pics tomorrow when I'm not so wasted and will actually be able to use the camera, hehe

 

[Dezracer]

Here's updated pics of my veg and flower tents. There's a third tent that is a 2x4 but there's not much to show there since I have some make-shift lighting and junk in there now after hanging the T8 light in the tent in the pics.

I need to tidy up the wiring in the veg tent still and will do that this evening or tomorrow when I get home from work.