Mexican ID Becomes valid ID in Sonoma County

jonblaze420

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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sonoma-Sheriff-Santa-Rosa-Police-Recognize-Mexican-IDs-132465578.html

In Sonoma County, a California driver's license is accepted as valid identification -- but so is a card issued by the Mexican consulate.

Mexican nationals will be able to give their country's state-issued identification cards as valid ID to Santa Rosa police officers and Sonoma County sheriffs, the Santa Rosa Press Democrat reported.

The idea is to reduce the immigration-related duties of local cops, the newspaper reported. Accepting Mexican consulate-issued cards will reduce the number of people booked into jail for lacking ID, and ergo, will reduce deportations from Santa Rosa County Jail, the newspaper reported.

"Today is a great day," Sonoma County Assistant Sheriff Lorenzo Dueñas said. "We're now going to accept the matriculár consular ID."
 

SCARHOLE

Well-Known Member
Of course they accept mexicos I'd as legal.
How else would democrats get their illegal votes?
 

Total Head

Well-Known Member
i don't have a problem with the ids being considered valid to identify oneself. sort of like going to a bar with an out of state id. it would be another story if the ids were to be used to obtain american benefits, but just to prove who you are to the police it doesn't bother me. it does beg the question of what is to be done with someone who only has foreign id and no american paperwork, but it's two separate issues.
 

dtp5150

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I have a problem with this. I am all for open immigration, but what the fuck?

Heres some facts about santa rosa mexicans:
3 of them with loaded pistols zip tied and robbed a couple and their friend in sonoma and took their weed and money

there was a fatal shooting on todd road over some weed. a drug deal in a store parking lot one mexican shot another in the head.


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There is a huge problem with mexican gangs. Now we accept easily forged identification? What the fuck?

Here are some problems:
Legal california citizen driving drunk = can loose license for a year and $2k in fines plus another $1500 in classes

Mexican citizen driving drunk = abandon the car, make mexican walk home

Legal california citizen hurts themself = ER visit puts them in debt and force them to file bankcrupcy

mexican citizen hurts themself = do you need a brand new leg senor juanito?
 

beardo

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Anyone know the status on the one that would prevent them from jailing people for driving without a licence and prevent them from towing and impounding their cars and auctioning them if someones driving without a licence?
 

silasraven

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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sonoma-Sheriff-Santa-Rosa-Police-Recognize-Mexican-IDs-132465578.html

In Sonoma County, a California driver's license is accepted as valid identification -- but so is a card issued by the Mexican consulate.

Mexican nationals will be able to give their country's state-issued identification cards as valid ID to Santa Rosa police officers and Sonoma County sheriffs, the Santa Rosa Press Democrat reported.

The idea is to reduce the immigration-related duties of local cops, the newspaper reported. Accepting Mexican consulate-issued cards will reduce the number of people booked into jail for lacking ID, and ergo, will reduce deportations from Santa Rosa County Jail, the newspaper reported.

"Today is a great day," Sonoma County Assistant Sheriff Lorenzo Dueñas said. "We're now going to accept the matriculár consular ID."
well another shuffle to a north american ID
 

golddog

Well-Known Member
Anyone know the status on the one that would prevent them from jailing people for driving without a licence and prevent them from towing and impounding their cars and auctioning them if someones driving without a licence?
The further up the state you are it seems, the less you worry about the illegals. So when they start enforcing the existing laws, some politician will pass a local law saying it's OK, and the local cops don't enforce it.

Peace - :joint::peace:

And please show your I.D. at the border.
 

beardo

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The further up the state you are it seems, the less you worry about the illegals. So when they start enforcing the existing laws, some politician will pass a local law saying it's OK, and the local cops don't enforce it.

Peace - :joint::peace:

And please show your I.D. at the border.
I'm really hoping this one passes- anyone with more info please let me know-
Last I heard it was waiting to see if Jerry Brown signs it or not.
It would make it so if your driving without a licence you just get a ticket and can call someone with a licence to come drive the car.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I'm really hoping this one passes- anyone with more info please let me know-
Last I heard it was waiting to see if Jerry Brown signs it or not.
It would make it so if your driving without a licence you just get a ticket and can call someone with a licence to come drive the car.
No comprendo, Beardo ... why is this a good thing? cn
 

beardo

Well-Known Member
No comprendo, Beardo ... why is this a good thing? cn
Because I don't have a licence.
Plus the way it is now is morally wrong, they pull over illegals tow their cars let them go and then they auction off the car- they steal from them and then leave them broke and they got familys to feed
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Because I don't have a licence.
Plus the way it is now is morally wrong, they pull over illegals tow their cars let them go and then they auction off the car- they steal from them and then leave them broke and they got familys to feed
Then I'll thank you not to drive.
Really ... how much of a hardship is it to get the license?
cn
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20111111/ARTICLES/111119848

Mexican ID cards have the support of police:
"They are not get-out-of-jail cards, nor can they be used by illegal immigrants as driver's licenses or as a means to obtain legal U.S. residency. They are Mexican consular identification cards, and now a valid form of ID in the eyes of Sonoma County law enforcement officials. And for top brass like Sonoma County Sheriff Steve Freitas, Sebastopol Police Chief Jeff Weaver and Santa Rosa Police Chief Tom Schwedhelm, that's all they are.

“It's not about immigration, it's about identification,” said Schwedhelm, the current president of the Sonoma County Law Enforcement Chiefs Association.

“Our goal is to be reasonably certain that the person being issued a citation is the person named on the citation,” he said.

And if the person is accused of committing a crime that warrants arrest and booking in jail, that's where he or she is headed, he said, whether or not they have a consular ID.

For some, the decision by the chiefs to accept Mexican consular IDs represents a violation of the rule of law and an official acceptance of the growing presence of illegal immigrants in the community. But local police said it is the most sensible way to deal the hand dealt to them by ineffective federal lawmakers who have failed to address the issues surrounding illegal immigration.

The chiefs association in October approved an amendment to its county-wide policy for dealing with undocumented immigrants. The amendment states that “law enforcement personnel should accept matricular identification (ID) cards issued by the Mexican Consulate as valid ID” unless there's reason to believe that they are fake or have been tampered with.

The decision could keep some illegal immigrants from landing in jail for an offense that in most cases would be handled with a citation. Police officers in California have the authority to arrest drivers who cannot provide valid identification.

In jail, these immigrants most likely would be flagged by immigration officials under a federal program known as Secure Communities.

The practice of booking immigrants who did not have valid IDs had become a wedge driven between police and the local immigrant community, often leading to accusations of racial profiling and quiet cooperation with federal immigration officials.

Police officials said previous consular IDs were not reliable enough to be considered a valid form of ID. But they said the new cards are reliable.

Petaluma Police Chief Dan Fish said that the current consular card offers “our first chance at some identification method for some of these folks that would be reliable, above and beyond the previous methods that we've ever encountered.”

The Mexican consular ID, or matricula consular as it is known in Spanish, is essentially a form of registration for Mexican nationals living within the jurisdiction of a particular consulate office.

In the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, attempts were made by the Mexican government to make the cards a more secure form of ID, said Adriana Gonzalez, consul for legal affairs at the San Francisco Consulate, which includes Sonoma County in its jurisdiction.

The most significant security measures have been implemented since 2005, she said. These include the use of a national database that can track consular IDs issued from consulate offices in other states. The cards also include 20 different “security features,” including holograms, similar to other forms of ID, such as passports.

Still some believe the consular IDs are still not reliable.

Jon Feere, a legal policy analyst for the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies, insists that a Mexican consular card is not a valid form of ID. Feere, a former Petaluma resident, cites 2003 testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims by Steven McCraw, the former assistant director of the FBI's office of intelligence.

At the time, McCraw raised a number of problems that he said made consular IDs unreliable. He said that the Mexican government “issues the card to anyone who can produce a Mexican birth certificate and one other form of identity, including documents of very low reliability.”

“I think the FBI's testimony is still quite accurate,” Feere said in an email sent Friday. “The card and the administration of it hasn't changed much, despite Mexico's claims.”

Gonzalez said applicants must apply for and receive their consular IDs in person. The process, she said, is similar to that of obtaining a Mexican passport.

Weaver, the Sebastopol police chief, said that most people in his city have reacted positively to the policy change. He said that he's received only two phone calls from opponents.

The callers, he said, mistakenly thought that Sebastopol police now are allowing undocumented immigrants to drive without a California drivers license. He said they also “felt that this was undermining efforts to remove people who are here illegally.”

Weaver conceded that the new rule could result in fewer deportations.

“My job is not to enforce immigration law,” Weaver said. “We're not trained in that, that's not our duty and our responsibility. Our duty is to enforce state law.”

Law enforcement officials said that nothing in the amended protocol prevents them from cooperating with federal ICE agents in going after undocumented immigrants who are suspected of serious crimes. In fact, the protocol establishes procedures for such cooperation.

Efren Carrillo, president of the county Board of Supervisors, called the move “the right thing to do.”

“I hope that the other chiefs in the county will follow suit,” he said. “This is really about being able to identify some people who live in our county; they work in our community, they live in our neighborhoods.”

After being asked by members of the immigrant community and their supporters to have another look at the cards, the chiefs association put together a delegation that went to the San Francisco Mexican Consulate in August to examine the cards and the application process.

The delegation included Assistant Sheriff Lorenzo Dueñas, Petaluma Police Lt. Dave Sears, Sebastopol Police Lt. James Conner and Santa Rosa Police Capt. Hank Schreeder.

“We're confident that these cards aren't just given to anyone,” said Schwedhelm.

Fish, the Petaluma chief, added, “That's not to say that they can't be altered or forged, but so can a California driver's license.”

Weaver said the chiefs association executive committee considered the recent protocol amendment over the summer, with the actual language drafted by an association subcommittee. The amendment was then approved by association members in early October.

Police departments now will choose their own schedule for implementing the new rule, as resources allow. Smaller departments have fewer officers to train, said Weaver.

Thus far, Sebastopol and Santa Rosa police departments and the Sheriff's Office have completed training. Others departments are following suit.

“We have some of our folks that have been trained,” said Fish. “Everybody knows that we're accepting it.”
 
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