The second round with the UnderCurrent, The $6,500 expearment gets better
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woodsmaneh!
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I have 30gal buckets for another grow I will in a month or so. I have Co2 but have not used it yet. I don't run Co2 in the summer just the fall and winter and spring. The Co2 burner heats things up about 10 degrees and that's too hot in the summer here.
legallyflying
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woodsman, do you have a water cooled co2 burner? I used a tankless water heater and based on its efficiency rating, it takes 90% of the heat of the burner away with the hot water. I have a thread on it if your interested.
UnderCurrentDWC
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Can't wait to see your new 35 gallon DIY UC system in action.
Thanks for all the great pics!
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Thanks for all the great pics!
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Much respect on your grow.. Honestly.. I don't see how you spent over 7,000 for this grow.. that seems rather expensive. i have studied this board last few months daily because the spirit has summoned me to grow.. anyways, i was going to go with a simple design with much smaller buckets, with a goal of something over 2# harvests.. but after studying your grow, instead of 16 smaller plants, i'd much rather grow 4-6 larger plants and still produce about 2#. I can purchase plywood and 2*4 and build a fairly nice grow space in my medium sized basement. air systems co2 lights and undercurrent system with 8 in pots.. that will all put me down about 2500 - 3000 max... not including nutrients and spike in electric bill. if you where supplying medical shops.. you would make your money back in 1 harvest..
.. so how much are you spending to feed your plants?
.. so how much are you spending to feed your plants?
legallyflying
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$2500 max? WHAT? Sorry to call you out but I find that extremely hard to believe.
You could easily spend 7k , Hell, I have about 7k in my 4800 watt, sealed, climate controlled Co2 grow room. Just buying 4 1000 watt ballasts, hoods, and bulbs will put you at around 2K. plus $500+ for Co2, then you have multiple fans, split AC, reservoirs, water pumps,air pumps, air stones, nutrients, ppm meter, ph meter, etc etc etc. My electric bill is $700 month and I have some of the cheapest power in the country.
At any rate,I wold love to see how you came up with. Maybe there is some hidden cost savings available. But I am likely to chalk it up to not understanding all the expenses of building a grow room. I know that I way underestimated.
You could easily spend 7k , Hell, I have about 7k in my 4800 watt, sealed, climate controlled Co2 grow room. Just buying 4 1000 watt ballasts, hoods, and bulbs will put you at around 2K. plus $500+ for Co2, then you have multiple fans, split AC, reservoirs, water pumps,air pumps, air stones, nutrients, ppm meter, ph meter, etc etc etc. My electric bill is $700 month and I have some of the cheapest power in the country.
At any rate,I wold love to see how you came up with. Maybe there is some hidden cost savings available. But I am likely to chalk it up to not understanding all the expenses of building a grow room. I know that I way underestimated.
woodsmaneh!
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The jumbo system I am using for example the 4" T's are 35$ each and a 4 way is 80$, and add a chiller, everything cost when you go big. I found that you can buy the hay before the cow eats it or after, cheap is not the object when growing pounds of the best. Sure you can get an air pump for 100$ but when it fails and your crop goes south than what's the cost. I get 1/2 lb plants all day and now that I have the time to spend with them I expect 3/4 lb at the least. I have grown just about every way you can and when I got legal I was limited to the amount of plants, I know of no other way than RDWC to get plants this big. I'm not saying it's not possible just saying 2% of guys can pull it off.
KingKushKush
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Ha Ha your Avatar looks like Kid from Kid N Play!
KingKushKush
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Nice pics! You ever try and run your PPM's @ 1000 - 1550? I usually end (before flush) at 1550 and cant picture run'n less now. 800 seems to work ok?
Noobthumb87
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Don't mean to sound like dick but holly shit you guys spent a lot. I spent around 1k on three plants and averaged 12 oz per. I made my own UC(undercurrent) and honestly the only reason I didn't get 1gram a watt was because I was a jack ass and placed the plants too close. I used AN for grow and I used Dutch master for bloom, something wasn't going right with the AN bloom they were getting too much nitrogen ( fuckin AN, the additives are great like xfactor and big bud but their soils are very strong). All in all I did have great genetics( some rosta hippie, I hate hippies). But seriously fellas and or ladies, yield per plant is based soully on light , space per plant and genetics. The highest my ppms went in either system was 800. I also used pure flower but it's very powerfully shit so be carefull and double air stone your buckets, the dwc bucks don't need to be chilled but if you maguiver a UC like me the best way to do it is 4 2Ls in the reservoir change them every 6 hours and 2 times durring flower. Oh room temp was at steady 75-80* ( used an portable AC and sucked cold air at night) a big part of flowering is the times your lights are on in flowering. I like 5pm to 5am. I do live in Michigan. Good luck happy growing be safe, and don't drink and drive or do any other drugs MJ is a drug but if used wisely can be fun and productive. Love mom
legallyflying
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^. Uh huh. Let's seem some pics of these gorgeous huge plants. 36oz with how much light?
woodsmaneh!
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woodsmaneh!
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sorry guys kind of been a while don't know why but back with an update, Room will get changed around again next grow, more on that later. Things went well this time with no screw ups yet. With 2 systems in the room having some humidity issues, just ordered another 20 gal humidifier to put in there. I have a new lady I'm trying out it is KO Kush from Sannies . It is one plant. Next post for more
Sannie's Seeds - K.O Kush F2
Genetic: Killa Kush x Herijuana
Flowering time: 7-8 weeks
Harvest: up to 500 gram/m2 (indoor)
Taste: earthy afghani/kush
Effect: extreme stoned
Flowers They are rockhard covered in kristals
THC: Percentage up to 24%
(killa Kush/Herijuana)
This is the most extreme cross witch I have produced so far. As mother we used the Killa Kush, a highly recommended strain with an overwhelming spicy Kush taste. As father we used the over potent Herijuana.
This combination (pre98 bubba kush X killa queen / herijuana) emerged when working with breeder Moterabel. This Breeder describes these 2 strains as his heaviest and medicinal strains. After the right selection of the Killa Kush and the Herijuana, we used the 2 most outstanding plants for this cross. The F1 / F2 and F3 are growed with much pleasure by lots of growers al over the world. This F4 is made on taste and will hide lots of kush dominant plants. A knock out stoned with a explosive taste
Breed by sannie
Contents 10 seeds
This is the most extreme cross witch I have produced so far. As mother we used the Killa Kush, a highly recommended strain with an overwhelming spicy Kush taste. As father we used the over potent Herijuana.
This combination emerged when working with breeder Moterabel. This Breeder describes these 2 strains as his heaviest and medicinal strains. After the right selection of the Killa Kush and the Herijuana, we used the 2 most outstanding plants for this cross. The F1 is growed with much pleasure by lots of growers al over the world and this F2 will even give more winners as the F1 did.
Breed by sannie and knutsel
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Sannie's Seeds - K.O Kush F2
Genetic: Killa Kush x Herijuana
Flowering time: 7-8 weeks
Harvest: up to 500 gram/m2 (indoor)
Taste: earthy afghani/kush
Effect: extreme stoned
Flowers They are rockhard covered in kristals
THC: Percentage up to 24%
(killa Kush/Herijuana)
This is the most extreme cross witch I have produced so far. As mother we used the Killa Kush, a highly recommended strain with an overwhelming spicy Kush taste. As father we used the over potent Herijuana.
This combination (pre98 bubba kush X killa queen / herijuana) emerged when working with breeder Moterabel. This Breeder describes these 2 strains as his heaviest and medicinal strains. After the right selection of the Killa Kush and the Herijuana, we used the 2 most outstanding plants for this cross. The F1 / F2 and F3 are growed with much pleasure by lots of growers al over the world. This F4 is made on taste and will hide lots of kush dominant plants. A knock out stoned with a explosive taste
Breed by sannie
| Product Informatie | |
| Type: | Mostly Indica |
| Flowering time | 7-8 weeks |
| Harvest | up to 500 gram/m2(indoor) |
| Taste: | earthy afghani/kush |
| Effect: | extreme stoned |
| flowers | They are rockhard covered in kristals |
| THC: | Percentage up to 24% |
Contents 10 seeds
This is the most extreme cross witch I have produced so far. As mother we used the Killa Kush, a highly recommended strain with an overwhelming spicy Kush taste. As father we used the over potent Herijuana.
This combination emerged when working with breeder Moterabel. This Breeder describes these 2 strains as his heaviest and medicinal strains. After the right selection of the Killa Kush and the Herijuana, we used the 2 most outstanding plants for this cross. The F1 is growed with much pleasure by lots of growers al over the world and this F2 will even give more winners as the F1 did.
Breed by sannie and knutsel
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woodsmaneh!
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Here are the rest of the girls at 4 weeks of flower, they smell great and are bulking up nice, you can see clearly the success I am having topping my strains. Not all were topped, but most were.
Ph 5.6
PPM 780
res temp 62
room temp day 83/night 70
humidity 35%
using DM Gold
Just doing add backs to the res, have not changed the res out yet and don't think I will. Ordered a new 20 gal humidifier, the other system in the room makes a big difference in humidity so will have two 20 gal humidifiers with auto fill.
Ph 5.6
PPM 780
res temp 62
room temp day 83/night 70
humidity 35%
using DM Gold
Just doing add backs to the res, have not changed the res out yet and don't think I will. Ordered a new 20 gal humidifier, the other system in the room makes a big difference in humidity so will have two 20 gal humidifiers with auto fill.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Looking good as usual wood!
woodsmaneh!
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Well got the two chillers I am going to be using. They are each 50 feet SS 3/8 with garden hose fittings. They are for chilling wort (beer) and I purchased they from New York Brewing supply, the cost was 70$ and they shipped by US mail to Canada.
http://www.nybrewsupply.com/stainless-steel-wort-chiller-garden-hose-fittings-38-x-50.html
I had they in one week, real good service. If I were to do it again I would buy the 25 foot vs 50 as this would do the same job but with a bigger pump. Stay tuned to see how they work. Will likely make the swap in mid Jan. when the girls are done, but you never know, if I get the bug could happen sooner. The reason I got them was I have a 1 hp chiller and it is only running 1 300gal system and it could do 2 more so will take the ½ hp chiller off the UC system and use the 2 coils with the 1 hp chiller to cool both Big Blue and the UC. I am going to use the ½ hp chiller in another room so it will not go to waste. I plan on hooking up an 8 hood cooler to cool the room this summer instead of the air conditioner. I am just buying the box not the fan as I have them. They have them with a fan
http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product-details.php?title=ICE BOX Pro&pro=30
and without
http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product-details.php?title=ICE BOX Water-Cooled Heat Exchanger&pro=10
Chillers are almost 50% more efficient than air conditioners, so with 1 or 2 of the chillers and my 8 fans should cool the room. So what I am going to do is the following, if you have any ideads let me know glad to have the help.
I will run a 45gal barrel as the chiller res. with a 2550gph pump driving the chiller. In that res I will add 2 mag drive 300 for the 2 fifty foot coils in the res of each system which will pump the chilled water to the coils at 61 degrees. When summer comes I just add another pump for the cooling. I will run ½ hose to feed each 3/8 chiller.
Couple notes
Do not use copper coils as the nutrients in the res will eat at them and release too much copper.
Do not clean Stainless Steel with Ammonia or cleaners like that as they will pit the SS. Use CLR or something like that.
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http://www.nybrewsupply.com/stainless-steel-wort-chiller-garden-hose-fittings-38-x-50.html
I had they in one week, real good service. If I were to do it again I would buy the 25 foot vs 50 as this would do the same job but with a bigger pump. Stay tuned to see how they work. Will likely make the swap in mid Jan. when the girls are done, but you never know, if I get the bug could happen sooner. The reason I got them was I have a 1 hp chiller and it is only running 1 300gal system and it could do 2 more so will take the ½ hp chiller off the UC system and use the 2 coils with the 1 hp chiller to cool both Big Blue and the UC. I am going to use the ½ hp chiller in another room so it will not go to waste. I plan on hooking up an 8 hood cooler to cool the room this summer instead of the air conditioner. I am just buying the box not the fan as I have them. They have them with a fan
http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product-details.php?title=ICE BOX Pro&pro=30
and without
http://www.hydroinnovations.com/product-details.php?title=ICE BOX Water-Cooled Heat Exchanger&pro=10
Chillers are almost 50% more efficient than air conditioners, so with 1 or 2 of the chillers and my 8 fans should cool the room. So what I am going to do is the following, if you have any ideads let me know glad to have the help.
I will run a 45gal barrel as the chiller res. with a 2550gph pump driving the chiller. In that res I will add 2 mag drive 300 for the 2 fifty foot coils in the res of each system which will pump the chilled water to the coils at 61 degrees. When summer comes I just add another pump for the cooling. I will run ½ hose to feed each 3/8 chiller.
Couple notes
Do not use copper coils as the nutrients in the res will eat at them and release too much copper.
Do not clean Stainless Steel with Ammonia or cleaners like that as they will pit the SS. Use CLR or something like that.
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legallyflying
Well-Known Member
I am using the same type of coils to chill my Rez. I bent the cooling coils of a dehu into a tote and pump that cold water through the wort chiller coils sitting in my 55 gallon Rez. Works awesome!!!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Hey wood what you using to cool the water your running through those coils?
woodsmaneh!
Well-Known Member
I will be using a 1 hp chiller to cool a common res that the other pumps will sit in. So I have a 45 gal filled with water, my 2550gph pump will run the water through the chiller so I will have a 45 gal barrel of constant 61 degree water. I toss in my pumps and attach garden hose to them and the coil and drop in the nutrient res of my 2 systems, the return line going back into the chiller 45 gal barrel. Will post pix when I do it.
woodsmaneh!
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You are a handy DIY guy, I was going to buy the tubing and bend myself but......