cephalopod
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I'm listening...what's a good outline?
what would you change
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greengenez
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They should allow (hassle free) outdoor grows, drop limit on dried medz, allow dispensaries( with license), keep caregiver protections, legalize personal use, and MI should take the step in saving our farmers and start a hemp industry. Mi could save it's failing economy, and become a self sufficient state, by becoming a forerunner in the energy industry ( something they're trying anyway).
Hemp farms could then lead to, all kinds of industry.( textile, paper, fuel, oils,etc.)
Get MI growing and we all would win.
Hemp farms could then lead to, all kinds of industry.( textile, paper, fuel, oils,etc.)
Get MI growing and we all would win.
I would have to say that the biggest change needs to come from the breeders, cultivators and patients.
As any of you who read enough on patents from GW will know, CHEMOVARS ARE THE FUTURE OF CANNABIS MEDICINE!!!!
Other than GW, Cali Gold Genetics or the CBD crew (who are really only working on CBD) I have not heard of another breeder(s)
actively pursuing the isolation of distinct Chemovars. The other huge problem is that 980 of the 1000 seed banks out there are using super hybidized crap that they
ripped off from someone else. Very,VERY,VERY few breeders kept around old school original landrace stock and if they did, they most likely lost it or stored it wrong.
There is a small handful of old school breeders around the world that are working with genetics that they have kept since they were imported and found in the buds from the country of origin, breeding some of them only a few generations in 30 plus years. This for one gives them the ability to exploit the genetic diversity within their preserved gene pool and identify and isolate these unique traits, and in this case chemovars.
Once breeders around the world start working on breeding and releasing chemovars, its next up to the cultivator and patient to ensure that those types of genetics are
brought to market, by being effective and cost efficient for both parties. The patients need to experience these rare traits and genetics and if they can identify which profile(s) works best for them then they can relay the message to the cultivator and assure him that if he takes a chance growing some of these minimally psychoactive plant (by todays standards) that he will still be compensated for his product. If the cultivator establishes with the the patients that certain varieties are effective then the cultivator can relay the message to the breeder to breed chemovars with a similar cannabinoid profile, but possibly a different terpene profile may be needed. Once more people are educated, and aware of the future and how things work, then will they be able to fix the problem with medical cannabis in its current state.
As any of you who read enough on patents from GW will know, CHEMOVARS ARE THE FUTURE OF CANNABIS MEDICINE!!!!
Other than GW, Cali Gold Genetics or the CBD crew (who are really only working on CBD) I have not heard of another breeder(s)
actively pursuing the isolation of distinct Chemovars. The other huge problem is that 980 of the 1000 seed banks out there are using super hybidized crap that they
ripped off from someone else. Very,VERY,VERY few breeders kept around old school original landrace stock and if they did, they most likely lost it or stored it wrong.
There is a small handful of old school breeders around the world that are working with genetics that they have kept since they were imported and found in the buds from the country of origin, breeding some of them only a few generations in 30 plus years. This for one gives them the ability to exploit the genetic diversity within their preserved gene pool and identify and isolate these unique traits, and in this case chemovars.
Once breeders around the world start working on breeding and releasing chemovars, its next up to the cultivator and patient to ensure that those types of genetics are
brought to market, by being effective and cost efficient for both parties. The patients need to experience these rare traits and genetics and if they can identify which profile(s) works best for them then they can relay the message to the cultivator and assure him that if he takes a chance growing some of these minimally psychoactive plant (by todays standards) that he will still be compensated for his product. If the cultivator establishes with the the patients that certain varieties are effective then the cultivator can relay the message to the breeder to breed chemovars with a similar cannabinoid profile, but possibly a different terpene profile may be needed. Once more people are educated, and aware of the future and how things work, then will they be able to fix the problem with medical cannabis in its current state.
bob harris
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P2p would be as simple as outlining the deatails. For starters, any patient, (Not 'care giver") is allowed to transfer to another patient (not care giver)
That get patients that don't grow and patients that are not care givers, but have overages, able to transfer meds. Since that was the true intent of the law, it's a good start. In other words, make it so that a 2.5 oz transaction between ANY card holders is ok.That would solve the short term problem of patients not being able to acquire meds.
Next would be to define what's allowable between care givers and patients that are not directly signed up to the care giver. That's much trickier, as it's where the "wholesale" aspect that the State hates comes into play.
For that, I'd like to see them define a working dispensary model. Something along the lines of regulations on the appearance, and method of transfer of an office type dispensary. Some place patients could get meds, and growers could transfer overages.
The biggest "hard on" that they State had for dispensaries at first is the "hippy get high, coffee shop look that they had. Make them look like offices, discreet and professional. Make them run like businesses, keep books, pay taxes..all that stuff. In short, lend them some legitimacy.
tomcatjones
Active Member
coffee shops are businesses bob
and i love cannabis hot cocoa and coffee
you wouldn't like to join me for a cup one day?
and i love cannabis hot cocoa and coffee
you wouldn't like to join me for a cup one day?
bob harris
Well-Known Member
I love those things too....but we have to establish "medical" before recreational..and coffee shops are recreational.coffee shops are businesses bob
and i love cannabis hot cocoa and coffee
you wouldn't like to join me for a cup one day?
stumpjumper
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I would change who we have for an attorney general and the rest of the politician scums we have who are working against medical marijuana so they can profit off of it.
greengenez
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure that's what all the hassle is. They need to figure out how they can make money in their personal lives off it. ( Only let there be so many disp. license, then give out to the highest under the table bid before anybody even knows.)
tomcatjones
Active Member
personally i think that perspective is a little skewed.
having a place to consume medication with people around with whom i can discuss treatments, genetics, you name it, it not just recreational.
medical marijuana has 1 thing over all prescriptions. it makes healing healthy again and enjoyable.
enjoy your medicine. have fun while you heal. and be safe.
having a place to consume medication with people around with whom i can discuss treatments, genetics, you name it, it not just recreational.
medical marijuana has 1 thing over all prescriptions. it makes healing healthy again and enjoyable.
enjoy your medicine. have fun while you heal. and be safe.
vapor85
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I agree with you, however I do think that perceptions are important. If there are Bob Marley posters and tie dye on the walls it gives all the people who hate marijuana a chance to say see I knew those stupid hippie stoners were lying about being sick!
How an individual visiting a dispensary looks is up to them, but the dispensaries should have stayed away from the stoner culture stuff. I'm not saying that alone would have saved them but it sure didn't help things.
bob harris
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I tend to agree. My pharmacy doesn't have a little room that I can use to sit and take my oxy with some buddies..neither should a dispensary. It gives the appearance of impropriety.
Had dispensaries maintained an appearance of professionalism, they may have been left alone.
tomcatjones
Active Member
many were professional. C4 in lansing or ann arbor (can't remember, it was a protest or hash bash we went for) for instance was amazing and had great ice cream. down to the locked electronic swipe member ids (printed in under 15 minutes) something i cannot say for the state of michigan!
i'd rather see pot leaves in windows than "space for rent"
i'd rather see pot leaves in windows than "space for rent"
bob harris
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Many were professional....but as with many things, the few idiots ruined it for the good ones.
Murfy
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most dispensaries are NOT-
professional.
that's the thing. i guess.
what alot of us miss is the fact that the pharma cats are just regular people. same with the wall street sharks. when normal folks, many of whom weren't involved in the drug trade other than to buy a bag previously, were suddenly in the position to be involved in something that had merit, they acted in the same fashion. GREEDILY. rather than utilize their strength for neighborly compassion(an american value?) or philanthropy, or even invested in the continuation of the cause they puked out. many probably never had more than a thousand or two in thier hand the whole time. let alone ten.
their colors showed quick as fuck. for me, the new truck they bought does not change their greedy behaviour, although they certainly seem to htink it makes them better.
professional.
that's the thing. i guess.
what alot of us miss is the fact that the pharma cats are just regular people. same with the wall street sharks. when normal folks, many of whom weren't involved in the drug trade other than to buy a bag previously, were suddenly in the position to be involved in something that had merit, they acted in the same fashion. GREEDILY. rather than utilize their strength for neighborly compassion(an american value?) or philanthropy, or even invested in the continuation of the cause they puked out. many probably never had more than a thousand or two in thier hand the whole time. let alone ten.
their colors showed quick as fuck. for me, the new truck they bought does not change their greedy behaviour, although they certainly seem to htink it makes them better.
Murfy
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i guess what i would want changed is the control factor-
i want the good guys runnin the show. is there some way to amke sure our voice as compassionate medical users and growers is givin it's just weight.
after all. all our experimentation, and journalism, would make their work quite easy if they were to choose our end.
i want the good guys runnin the show. is there some way to amke sure our voice as compassionate medical users and growers is givin it's just weight.
after all. all our experimentation, and journalism, would make their work quite easy if they were to choose our end.
Murfy
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i guess-
i agree with bob. we SHOULD be able to make a little income on overages.
i bet many of us are in this boat. after the rulings about p2p, things tightened up a little. disp was still buying from patients and CG with overage.but were slowly only taking overage from a dwindling number of growers who they would, at harvest, be their "group" they had too, but were biding their time. many of them had outdoor crops, and were planning on the liquidation of mass quantity of their own product. for profit of course! out door growing is very inexpensive.
now that the outdoor is come, they are no longer dealing with growers outside of their"group". if your weed is particularly good, maybe they'll offer 125 for an ounce. or two, if you are lucky. basically your overage is worthless.
NOW. the reason why this bothers me, is because of the moral decision making of these disp owners proven through their own actions. when big pharma comes to call, more than likely through the big brother, THEY will be the ones negotiating the deals. at that rate we are going to let a bunch of greedy sobs, who really stated all this scrutiny, make our shots?
the disp's are the ones fuckin it up. the last thing we need is a nazi attorney makin rules for a few hundred pigs that couldn't control their gluttony.
there is a flip side to this coin of the big outdoor harvest leaving all us guys out in the cold, while the disp meds start at 14 a gram. that's were i was heading with this. i wanted to try a little "rumor". to see if us guys could make action in the real world if we wanted too. nothing major, or troublesome. just a test.
for me. after struggling to even pay the bill generated by the grow, while watching others take advantage. watching them have the major bonus again right before christmas would be a major splinter. they fucked us all, and then still get to make all the money, adn the decisions.
surely there must be something we could do to level the playing field a little towards the farmer. the cultivator. it si him that loves the plant, and the patient the most.
lets do a test. to see if when our good idea hits, how best to put it forward.
i agree with bob. we SHOULD be able to make a little income on overages.
i bet many of us are in this boat. after the rulings about p2p, things tightened up a little. disp was still buying from patients and CG with overage.but were slowly only taking overage from a dwindling number of growers who they would, at harvest, be their "group" they had too, but were biding their time. many of them had outdoor crops, and were planning on the liquidation of mass quantity of their own product. for profit of course! out door growing is very inexpensive.
now that the outdoor is come, they are no longer dealing with growers outside of their"group". if your weed is particularly good, maybe they'll offer 125 for an ounce. or two, if you are lucky. basically your overage is worthless.
NOW. the reason why this bothers me, is because of the moral decision making of these disp owners proven through their own actions. when big pharma comes to call, more than likely through the big brother, THEY will be the ones negotiating the deals. at that rate we are going to let a bunch of greedy sobs, who really stated all this scrutiny, make our shots?
the disp's are the ones fuckin it up. the last thing we need is a nazi attorney makin rules for a few hundred pigs that couldn't control their gluttony.
there is a flip side to this coin of the big outdoor harvest leaving all us guys out in the cold, while the disp meds start at 14 a gram. that's were i was heading with this. i wanted to try a little "rumor". to see if us guys could make action in the real world if we wanted too. nothing major, or troublesome. just a test.
for me. after struggling to even pay the bill generated by the grow, while watching others take advantage. watching them have the major bonus again right before christmas would be a major splinter. they fucked us all, and then still get to make all the money, adn the decisions.
surely there must be something we could do to level the playing field a little towards the farmer. the cultivator. it si him that loves the plant, and the patient the most.
lets do a test. to see if when our good idea hits, how best to put it forward.
tomcatjones
Active Member
i jumped into the game for the love too. hell i was late 
.admittedly i'm not large scale growing, i'm humble, i'm learning, there will always be more to know. trying my bestest to serve a few pts.
anyways...
i had high hopes for dispensaries. yeah pun intended, sure. -but it was for their connectivity more than anything.
hell, when i bought a coaster made from glass and a painted leaf, i bought it for my mother, who has MS. trying to get her to use cannabis. i bought the coaster at a bay city dispensary for 8 dollars. a place in HL has them selling for 5 dollars a couple weeks later. i informed them i payed more downstate, days later they upped the price to 7 or something.. my point here is that it created a brick and morter business where we could get things we wanted. that is legitimacy in their eyes and what is wrong with wanting that for us? i saw a flow of money in michigan where there once was none. this was a good thing. it may have been abused -but that doesnt mean that dispensaries are inherently bad things. and that is where the conversation should go....
compassion clubs were set up for the networking but i do not think the form they are in now can sustain all of michigan's farmers or pts.
.admittedly i'm not large scale growing, i'm humble, i'm learning, there will always be more to know. trying my bestest to serve a few pts.anyways...
i had high hopes for dispensaries. yeah pun intended, sure. -but it was for their connectivity more than anything.
hell, when i bought a coaster made from glass and a painted leaf, i bought it for my mother, who has MS. trying to get her to use cannabis. i bought the coaster at a bay city dispensary for 8 dollars. a place in HL has them selling for 5 dollars a couple weeks later. i informed them i payed more downstate, days later they upped the price to 7 or something.. my point here is that it created a brick and morter business where we could get things we wanted. that is legitimacy in their eyes and what is wrong with wanting that for us? i saw a flow of money in michigan where there once was none. this was a good thing. it may have been abused -but that doesnt mean that dispensaries are inherently bad things. and that is where the conversation should go....
compassion clubs were set up for the networking but i do not think the form they are in now can sustain all of michigan's farmers or pts.