if you harvest VERY late....

[glann]

lets say you go 3-4 weeks past the optimum harvest window (on a 7 week strain), what happens? does it just become more and more of a body stone, or does it lose potency rapidly?

 

[*BUDS]

No it would lose potency and could start to fluff out.Not as bad as too early though.

 

[mr. green thumb 01]

yea you definitely would lose potency. All of the thc would be degraded into cbn&cbd and will cause more of a sleepy feeling than a high imo. If you want a lot of body stone grow indica dominate strains.
Now thats just 7 wks for that strain assuming you have optional conditions. If not It could take a 7 week strain 10 weeks to finish anyway.

-buds- fluff out like foxtail?

 

[rocknratm]

lose potency? no just change into diff things like the above said

 

[IamAbigMan]

It would lose some potency but it won't ruin it.
Your bud is completely fine, No worrys.
Have a happy smokin!!

Oh yea, any pics? :O

 

[glann]

well, i had one that got harvested on day 40, and it wasnt bad at all, wasnt the best, but was decent

i harvested my last two roughly 3 weeks after the 48 day mark, and never saw one amber trichome, but some of the heads where gone, and sense i was hitting day 70 (not counting the 2 weeks for transition time between veg and flower) i assumed maybe the had fallen off

anyhow, this stuff just wasn't there, hardly did anything, two very different pheno's, im approaching week 2 of cure, but even if this stuff doubles in potency its absolutely horrible

i dont know if it was something i did or what, they were all in the same system/enviroment as the stuff that got cut at day 40, and that was decent

any ideas?

EDIT:

no foxtailing

 

[bamfrivet]

You would probably start to get some seeds. As a last ditch effort a female plant that hasn't been pollinated and has passed her prime will herm to try and produce seeds before it dies to keep it's genetics alive.

 

[DrZhang]

Patience and perseverance pay off. Yet, sometimes no matter what you do or how you grow, you get bunk. My first grow was AK-48 and Critical+. The plus reached full bloom at 56 days but the AK-48 wasn't quite ready yet. I was too anxious and harvested all of it. The AK was OK but too fluffy. The stone lasted only an hour or so. I saved a couple of clones and tried again. The AK-48 got a lot more dense at 60 days. It was hands down a better smoke than the first batch.

Nirvana's site AK-48 specs say "48 days under optimal conditions) I would go no less than 9 to 10 weeks unless the Trics start going dark sooner. I still have some of the first crop in cure but it hasn't gotten any better. It depends on the strain, the conditions, and time.

Live and learn, you always look to your next grow being better.

 

[k0ijn]

lets say you go 3-4 weeks past the optimum harvest window (on a 7 week strain), what happens? does it just become more and more of a body stone, or does it lose potency rapidly?

Short answer: you will lose almost all potency.

Amber trichomes are a sign of THC being degraded into CBN. CBN is not as psychoactive as THC is and the high you get from it is often compared to feeling ill.

Let us say that you had a ratio of 90% milky, 5% clear and 5% amber trichomes @ your optimum harvest period.
If you let the plant go 3-4 weeks on top of that, you might end up with 30% milky, 0% clear and 70% amber or even 10% milky, 0 % clear and 90% amber.

What this'll do is that you'll lose anywhere from 70%-90% of the potency of your plant.



THC is not degraded into CBD however, CBD is formed along side of THC and CBC.
CBD also has other properties than THC and it's not psychoactive at all.



This might help explain it:

CBG (Cannabigerol): Non-psychoactive, sleep inducing. Anti-microbial. Lowers intra-ocular pressure (IOP) Glaucoma. Trends in Pharmacological Sciences

Volume 30, Issue 10, October 2009, Pages 515-527

CBC (Cannabichromene): Sedative effect. Moderates effects of THC. Analgesic (pain relieving). Non-psychoactive. Trends in Pharmacological Sciences
Volume 30, Issue 10, October 2009, Pages 515-527

THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin): Stronger, faster “high” effect. Apatite suppressant. Euphoria, analgesic (pain relieving).

THC (tetrahydrocannabinol): Psychotropic. Analgesic (pain relieving). Apatite stimulant. Bronchial dilator. Lowers IOP/glaucoma.

CBD (Cannabidiol): Non-psychoactive. Reduces muscle spasms. Muscle relaxant. Analgesic (pain relieving). Trends in Pharmacological Sciences
Volume 30, Issue 10, October 2009, Pages 515-527

CBN (Cannabinol): Mildly psychoactive. Non-narcotic analgesic (pain relieving). Good indication of medications age. Trends in Pharmacological Sciences
Volume 30, Issue 10, October 2009, Pages 515-527

 

[anotherdaymusic]

wont they produce pollen to try and pollenate themselves?

 

[k0ijn]

wont they produce pollen to try and pollenate themselves?

Not pollen no.
Plants which are left for too long might start producing seeds and try to hermy themselves to allow the genetics to live on.
It's a last ditch effort and it's not very common.

 

[Brick Top]

Not pollen no.
Plants which are left for too long might start producing seeds and try to hermy themselves to allow the genetics to live on.
It's a last ditch effort and it's not very common.

To make seeds pollen has to exist.


Soma on Rodelization:

"I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered."

 

[k0ijn]

To make seeds pollen has to exist.


Soma on Rodelization:

"I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered."

I know pollen has to exist, but they still don't pollenate in the traditional sense.
They might develop a few seeds but I have never seen full seed production nor spread to other plants as a result of the safety measure.

 

[glann]

all good info guys, thanks for the input

 

[Harrekin]

I know pollen has to exist, but they still don't pollenate in the traditional sense.
They might develop a few seeds but I have never seen full seed production nor spread to other plants as a result of the safety measure.

They work exactly the same way as normal male flowers, they pop pollen exactly the same, it's just not all viable pollen because of the age of the plant but it's released in the same manner.

 

[dannyboy602]

The short answer is you missed the boat.

 

[k0ijn]

They work exactly the same way as normal male flowers, they pop pollen exactly the same, it's just not all viable pollen because of the age of the plant but it's released in the same manner.

I didn't say that the plants don't pop pollen the same way, of course all pollination has to happen through the same 'channels'.
What I said was that it's still not a traditional pollination and the effect of it is not the same either.

 

[TokenJoke1]

Ummm, i have a question to everyone and this seems like the place to ask, say you have a plant look finish with mostly amber hairs.. Then you give a large dose of bloom nutes to help it finish faster and make the hairs recesed, but it instead makes a bunch of new white hairs appear all over the plant.....So now your over 9 weeks with a bunch of new white hairs....is waiting it out going to mke it hermie or lose potency?

 

[rocpilefsj]

Ummm, i have a question to everyone and this seems like the place to ask, say you have a plant look finish with mostly amber hairs.. Then you give a large dose of bloom nutes to help it finish faster and make the hairs recesed, but it instead makes a bunch of new white hairs appear all over the plant.....So now your over 9 weeks with a bunch of new white hairs....is waiting it out going to mke it hermie or lose potency?

Giving bloom nutes does not make it "finish faster". You need to check the trics amongst other things to know it is "ready"

 

[k0ijn]

Ummm, i have a question to everyone and this seems like the place to ask, say you have a plant look finish with mostly amber hairs.. Then you give a large dose of bloom nutes to help it finish faster and make the hairs recesed, but it instead makes a bunch of new white hairs appear all over the plant.....So now your over 9 weeks with a bunch of new white hairs....is waiting it out going to mke it hermie or lose potency?

You cannot judge maturity (peak harvesting period) by the pistils (what you call hairs).
Giving large doses of _any_ nutrient solution / part will not speed up anything. It'll bring you nutrient solution in imbalance and that'll harm your plants.

You want to check the trichomes, get as close to 100% milky trichomes as possible, for peak THC realization.
You should also check for receding pistils and swollen calyxes.