Stealth dresser - 8 cfl - G13 labs blueberry gum + ??? - heat issue?
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ihatefoxnews
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1 gal = 3.75 liters so at 3.5 gal thats roughly 13 liters
if you do 1ml of each solution that would be 26 full strength of A and B combined? 6.5 1/4 strength?
if you do 1ml of each solution that would be 26 full strength of A and B combined? 6.5 1/4 strength?
ihatefoxnews
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And really you will need to invest in a PH and PPM meter; get some water proof hand held ones.
I have a tds meter now for PPM. i havent received the ph meter but i am using PH perfect so am not to concerned with that right now. trying to get nutrient mixing down.
I see i didnt calculate for them combined because they are in seperate bottles so it would still be roughtly 3ml for each nutrient.....
When adding the nutes do i put them in one by one or together or what?
I see i didnt calculate for them combined because they are in seperate bottles so it would still be roughtly 3ml for each nutrient.....
When adding the nutes do i put them in one by one or together or what?
ihatefoxnews
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you mix together; in water, part A in water then part b in water never part a and b together.
then you check ppm/ph adjust as necessary. I think many manufactures possibly suggest solutions 1500 ppm and up; so you need to be careful especially with seedlings. I'm stressing more because if you get a good enough spray pattern and well balanced nutes you can burn plants with less than 500 ppm; but that's droplet sizes of 30-80 micros.
then you check ppm/ph adjust as necessary. I think many manufactures possibly suggest solutions 1500 ppm and up; so you need to be careful especially with seedlings. I'm stressing more because if you get a good enough spray pattern and well balanced nutes you can burn plants with less than 500 ppm; but that's droplet sizes of 30-80 micros.
ok thanks alot man most people around here have said 1/4 strength to start out with when you put into dwc.... i guess i'll go lower than that and work my way up. greatly appreciated... will post pics of progress tmw.
My Yumbolt 47 seed just germinated i will put her in rockwool tmw and then see what happens
My Yumbolt 47 seed just germinated i will put her in rockwool tmw and then see what happens
ihatefoxnews
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1st few days just water; week after; 100ppm, next week 200-300. You hear all about 2000ppm feeding and near burning or burning the plants. However as your root chamber improves; npt, dwc ect. the plants actually perform osmosis better/faster drinking more, it makes it easier to burn the plants.
Then you need to consider the obvious; seedlings to mature plants can gradually take more and more nutes, but when they're young its easy to burn.
Then you need to consider the obvious; seedlings to mature plants can gradually take more and more nutes, but when they're young its easy to burn.
about 300ppm in early veg. 600-800 later veg, 1200ish- 1600ppm full flower (the 1600 imo is too high for many strains.) back to 300-400ppm flush roughly.
ihatefoxnews
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see any roots pushing through? If not then it's fine getting everything from the rock-wool. Next time use half the cube so it doesn't take so long for the roots.
ok maybe you guys can help me... I only have one plant in the res right now.
Yesterday My PH was 6.0
PPM was 200
Today My PH is 7.2
PPM is 236
What is going on? Do i have to keep adding stuff to the res everyday to keep the levels the same?
Going to wait for a reply before i do anything as im not sure what to do...
Day 10 Blueberry gum and behind it is the Yumbolt 47
The yumbolt was barely coming out the ground this morning... I dipped the rockwool in the res with the nutrient solution and by this evening it shot right up.
Yesterday My PH was 6.0
PPM was 200
Today My PH is 7.2
PPM is 236
What is going on? Do i have to keep adding stuff to the res everyday to keep the levels the same?
Going to wait for a reply before i do anything as im not sure what to do...
Day 10 Blueberry gum and behind it is the Yumbolt 47
The yumbolt was barely coming out the ground this morning... I dipped the rockwool in the res with the nutrient solution and by this evening it shot right up.
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ihatefoxnews
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yes; the smaller the res; the more often the plant and microbes (in a non sterile) will absorb nutes and change the PH of the water as it performs osmosis. The PH change reflects what ions/nutes are being taken in and reacting. You must adjust the ph; drop to ~5.1-5.2; and come back when it rises over 6... or if it drops you must bring the ph up.
It seems to have stabilized... soo i dont want my PH over 6? .. My PPM has been stable as well.. around 260.. is that good or bad? does this mean the plant is not taking in nutrients?
How does the blueberry gum look for day 11? THe yumbolt seemed to have stretched a lot its got a tall stem.
How does the blueberry gum look for day 11? THe yumbolt seemed to have stretched a lot its got a tall stem.
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ihatefoxnews
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they are probably burned; just use 5.8 ph water with 10ppm for now; then switch to half of the ppm you're using.
ihatefoxnews
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there are lots of guides and books out there so you need to get reading, even a botany book.
learn how these plants work man, then all this stuff will explain itself.
Ever put salt on a snail; it dries them....
Plants work based on osmotic pressure generated by cells. The salts in the water it absorbs through the roots make interesting chemical reactions that perform and interact with every life function of a plant. When a plant wilts it closed its stoma where it exchanges air co2 oxygen. Key ingredients to make sugar the life source of the plant. A wilting plant is not taking in water or nutes like a healty plant. it's lacking water and in life support mode. When it's healthy it's mass is 98% water; which constantly evaporates the hotter the dryer; the faster. This causes the roots to suck up water and salts the nutrients it needs. However this is all based on stoichiometry. The plants will absorb nutrients based on their availability in whatever substrate you're using. It's chemical bonds; covalent ionic and metallic bonds. The PH affects what can make a bond. So when your PH is off, then some type of nute can't absorb into the plant causing a deficiency and sometimes too much of another nute because they need to be in a ratio of one another or they may precipitate or cause some other kind of chemical reaction such as raising the PH. In fact, if the plant is absorbing water, then there are chemical reactions changing the ph and chemicals in the water, adding, subtracting in PH and PPM.
When you get into dwc, aero, you change the way the plant absorbs water. you make it easier. You make it so efficient that the plant absorbs more salts and can kill itself easily with salts. Too much salts kill cells because it drys them up! Patterns indicate what salt is doing the damage! The plant twisting is a cell in the walls perhaps too much molybdenum. It's really easy to oversalt or burn a plant a young one.
You have a weapon and in reality you only need half the nutes everyone else is using. Just water is fine for burned plants because you need to wash all that salt out. It has nutes, in the leaves. You're killing the cells. When they turn yellow, bottom first, then they start lacking one of the most common nutes, nitrogen. And it's being pulled from the bottom leaves to feed new growth. In fact it's ideal in the last stages of harvest. Because you taste the salts on the leaves you're smoking, if they're drained and washed out with using pure water, you don't smoke them!
So use far less nutes. You need something close to a 3-1-2 ratio for veg, and more K and P for flower, plenty of guides for that too; but remember use half; it's all you need.
learn how these plants work man, then all this stuff will explain itself.
Ever put salt on a snail; it dries them....
Plants work based on osmotic pressure generated by cells. The salts in the water it absorbs through the roots make interesting chemical reactions that perform and interact with every life function of a plant. When a plant wilts it closed its stoma where it exchanges air co2 oxygen. Key ingredients to make sugar the life source of the plant. A wilting plant is not taking in water or nutes like a healty plant. it's lacking water and in life support mode. When it's healthy it's mass is 98% water; which constantly evaporates the hotter the dryer; the faster. This causes the roots to suck up water and salts the nutrients it needs. However this is all based on stoichiometry. The plants will absorb nutrients based on their availability in whatever substrate you're using. It's chemical bonds; covalent ionic and metallic bonds. The PH affects what can make a bond. So when your PH is off, then some type of nute can't absorb into the plant causing a deficiency and sometimes too much of another nute because they need to be in a ratio of one another or they may precipitate or cause some other kind of chemical reaction such as raising the PH. In fact, if the plant is absorbing water, then there are chemical reactions changing the ph and chemicals in the water, adding, subtracting in PH and PPM.
When you get into dwc, aero, you change the way the plant absorbs water. you make it easier. You make it so efficient that the plant absorbs more salts and can kill itself easily with salts. Too much salts kill cells because it drys them up! Patterns indicate what salt is doing the damage! The plant twisting is a cell in the walls perhaps too much molybdenum. It's really easy to oversalt or burn a plant a young one.
You have a weapon and in reality you only need half the nutes everyone else is using. Just water is fine for burned plants because you need to wash all that salt out. It has nutes, in the leaves. You're killing the cells. When they turn yellow, bottom first, then they start lacking one of the most common nutes, nitrogen. And it's being pulled from the bottom leaves to feed new growth. In fact it's ideal in the last stages of harvest. Because you taste the salts on the leaves you're smoking, if they're drained and washed out with using pure water, you don't smoke them!
So use far less nutes. You need something close to a 3-1-2 ratio for veg, and more K and P for flower, plenty of guides for that too; but remember use half; it's all you need.
Well you were right.. saw the very tip of the plant today yellowing.
appreciate the info ... explains alot.
I changed the res out ... currently has water PH'd to 5.5 and PPM is 118 without me adding any nutes...
Will leave it like this for a day and see what the results are...
appreciate the info ... explains alot.
I changed the res out ... currently has water PH'd to 5.5 and PPM is 118 without me adding any nutes...
Will leave it like this for a day and see what the results are...