Canna Sylvan
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You must really hate yourself. Smoke a doobie and relax.
Poll: Which Political Philosophy or Party Do you agree with the most?
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deprave
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You do realize that would be a pro Ron Paul chart right? Its illustrating Ron Paul's stance on all those issues...Did you mean to post some kind of anti-ron paul chart? You would probably have to draw it yourself and fabricate a bunch of things, like your gold mine de-regulation or doomsday conspiracy theories..
Canna Sylvan
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Maybe he takes issue with the top pure Ron Paul yellow section. He can put his, " gold mine de-regulation or doomsday conspiracy theories," labels there.
Duketroll,
Get busy and finish that venn diagram!
sync0s
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Libertarians believe the only purpose of the government is to defend life, liberty, and property. The first reason is why I disagree that a libertarian has to be pro-choice. No matter what lp.org says.
Canna Sylvan
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I could ask duke what's the difference between Democrat and communist, if he thinks there's no difference between Libertarian and anarchist.
I'm also a proud member of Libertarians For Life. No matter what UncleBuck says either.
Http://www.l4l.org/
deprave
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The reason I eventually became pro-life is pretty deep. I can break it down into three major areas briefly:
1) Philosophy. The silver rule and maleficence, many famous philosophers agree even going back to Socrates that the silver rule is NECESSARY for any society to not only thrive, but merely to exist for any significant period of time. The Silver Rule is "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you" and that bring us to the golden rule. One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated. A society that doesn't follow these rules can NEVER have justice or liberty, and this philosophy goes back thousands of years.
2) Roe V Wade is entirely based on the idea that...If someone is not strictly mentioned in the constitution then it must mean that they have NO RIGHTS, again this goes back to the silver rule and also the idea that person-hood is not defined in the constitution so it must mean they have no rights. This is the same thing the Supreme court used to keep slavery in tact. They argued that since black people had 'no rights' explicitly mentioned in the constitution therefore black people are not people and they don't have the right to life, and thus liberty, and thus property, and thus the pursuit of happiness.
3) Last but not least, It should NEVER be the role of a government to decide who lives or dies...period...
I understand there is some cases where its necessary and this is a really hard decision for a mother to make, and I do support in cases of rape or risk to the mothers health, but other then that....its 2011, we have contraception, we even have fucking morning after pills, fucking use it or face the consequences. Its not worth it to let the government kill people just because 'Pro-Womans choice its her body' thats a god damn sham just to take our liberties away and increase government power.
Cause guees what...In comes planned parenthood.....then in comes the CPS and the DHS next thing you know they found a joint and they take your kids away...CHA CHING GOVERNMENT MONIES CHA CHING CHA CHING (thats the sound of government getting monies)
[video=youtube;21KLhyJuNXc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21KLhyJuNXc[/video]
1) Philosophy. The silver rule and maleficence, many famous philosophers agree even going back to Socrates that the silver rule is NECESSARY for any society to not only thrive, but merely to exist for any significant period of time. The Silver Rule is "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you" and that bring us to the golden rule. One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated. A society that doesn't follow these rules can NEVER have justice or liberty, and this philosophy goes back thousands of years.
2) Roe V Wade is entirely based on the idea that...If someone is not strictly mentioned in the constitution then it must mean that they have NO RIGHTS, again this goes back to the silver rule and also the idea that person-hood is not defined in the constitution so it must mean they have no rights. This is the same thing the Supreme court used to keep slavery in tact. They argued that since black people had 'no rights' explicitly mentioned in the constitution therefore black people are not people and they don't have the right to life, and thus liberty, and thus property, and thus the pursuit of happiness.
3) Last but not least, It should NEVER be the role of a government to decide who lives or dies...period...
I understand there is some cases where its necessary and this is a really hard decision for a mother to make, and I do support in cases of rape or risk to the mothers health, but other then that....its 2011, we have contraception, we even have fucking morning after pills, fucking use it or face the consequences. Its not worth it to let the government kill people just because 'Pro-Womans choice its her body' thats a god damn sham just to take our liberties away and increase government power.
Cause guees what...In comes planned parenthood.....then in comes the CPS and the DHS next thing you know they found a joint and they take your kids away...CHA CHING GOVERNMENT MONIES CHA CHING CHA CHING (thats the sound of government getting monies)
[video=youtube;21KLhyJuNXc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21KLhyJuNXc[/video]
sync0s
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There is a difference between a Socialist and a Communist. I would be surprised to find out there was a full blown Communist who called themselves a Democrat, to be honest.
Therefore, I believe you meant to say Socialist, not Communist.... right?
sync0s
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1) Problem with that rule: What if somebody wished they had been aborted? Stick with the 'My rights end, where your rights begin.'
2) Abortion being illegal shouldn't be allowed until one can universally define "life" in regards to people and whether it begins at conception or birth. Problem is, nobody can do that. Until then, I'm 1000% pro-choice. I don't oppose Roe v Wade.
3) Weird. What about murder? Further more, how is abortion any different when one is raped than when one is not? If you stand on the principle that abortion is murder, yet it's okay if they're pregnant, to me: you're a hypocrite.
deprave
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Canna Sylvan
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No I meant communist. Since the difference between the two is the same degree as libertarian and anarchist, and, Democrat and communist. Both democrat and libertarian still have some socialism, meaning government control. Anarchy ( no government) and communism (all government control) are polar opposites. Democrat is closer to communism and libertarian closer to anarchy. Socialism would be closer than democrat, but I never heard of an American socialist party. Many European nations have one. So Democrat would be the closest American elected party?
I'm assuming duke knows the difference between the two but is trying to mock libertarians that he sees them both as evil.
Canna Sylvan
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Deprave,
Why are you Libertarian left if you're pro-life? That's why I chose Libertarian right.
Why are you Libertarian left if you're pro-life? That's why I chose Libertarian right.
deprave
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Thats a pretty deep question....
Although its a pretty easy one....
Id say being pro-life is a sort of fringe and doesn't have a lot to do with political philosophy of the right specifically, being pro-life is not entirely a conservative thing, theres a lot of different ways of looking at that. Belief in the constitution and Human rights is after-all a liberal philosophy historically this has been their world-view. I don't really put that much weight on it because I don't think its fair too. If this was some kind of quiz or something and we want to use equal weights and score points then we could simply say the fact that I am generally pro-union counters that alone.
To keep it brief and to the point and as simple as possible I would say simply: The fact that I believe strongly in personal liberties, civil rights, and I am strongly ANTI-corporation makes me a liberal.
The main reason I identify with liberal libertarianism is because I recognize that corporations nor government represent people. I don't believe they every truly could, How can they? They are creations of ours and why should they have any authority or rights? and further why would they? This entity... the corporation... only strives for one thing...PROFIT - and Money it is the ROOT of all evil.
I am in many ways a humanist in my outlook. My personality type known as "The Protector". I love humanity...couldn't be much more liberal really. I am not even close to being a conservative. However, I can identify with "conservative values" because THE REPUBLICANS STOLE THAT FROM LIBERTARIANS! THOSE ARE LIBERTARIAN VALUES AND WE WANT THEM BACK!
Although its a pretty easy one....
Id say being pro-life is a sort of fringe and doesn't have a lot to do with political philosophy of the right specifically, being pro-life is not entirely a conservative thing, theres a lot of different ways of looking at that. Belief in the constitution and Human rights is after-all a liberal philosophy historically this has been their world-view. I don't really put that much weight on it because I don't think its fair too. If this was some kind of quiz or something and we want to use equal weights and score points then we could simply say the fact that I am generally pro-union counters that alone.
To keep it brief and to the point and as simple as possible I would say simply: The fact that I believe strongly in personal liberties, civil rights, and I am strongly ANTI-corporation makes me a liberal.
The main reason I identify with liberal libertarianism is because I recognize that corporations nor government represent people. I don't believe they every truly could, How can they? They are creations of ours and why should they have any authority or rights? and further why would they? This entity... the corporation... only strives for one thing...PROFIT - and Money it is the ROOT of all evil.
I am in many ways a humanist in my outlook. My personality type known as "The Protector". I love humanity...couldn't be much more liberal really. I am not even close to being a conservative. However, I can identify with "conservative values" because THE REPUBLICANS STOLE THAT FROM LIBERTARIANS! THOSE ARE LIBERTARIAN VALUES AND WE WANT THEM BACK!
deprave
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I have been pro-choice most of my life. funny enough, If I were a conservative I'm not convinced id be pro-life. Pro-life only fts into conservatism because its thought that they are pushing a belief on everyone. So thats not necessarily going to be my belief If I was a conservative. I don't know id be a different person completely.
The other half of this is "My body my choice" so you can view that as liberal because its personal liberties....but I mean thats just it....As you can see its a pretty weak argument for pro-life being conservative and pro-choice being liberal.
I could probably write a novel on how pro-life is liberal. I could only write a few pages on how being pro-life is conservative and how being pro-choice is liberal and it would probably include the words Ronald and Reagan somewhere.
(unless I act like a republican and pretended that libertarians and liberals are conservative to get votes)
The other half of this is "My body my choice" so you can view that as liberal because its personal liberties....but I mean thats just it....As you can see its a pretty weak argument for pro-life being conservative and pro-choice being liberal.
I could probably write a novel on how pro-life is liberal. I could only write a few pages on how being pro-life is conservative and how being pro-choice is liberal and it would probably include the words Ronald and Reagan somewhere.
(unless I act like a republican and pretended that libertarians and liberals are conservative to get votes)
Canna Sylvan
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Do you mean type 8 on the Enneagram? That's what I am too. My wife is a 9. That's a fairly obscure test these days.
Canna Sylvan
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Heh, almost. On the Myers-Briggs I'm an ENFP. The two tests share some characteristics, but differ because the Enneagram has 9 types and Myers-Briggs has 16.
unohu69
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Strict constitutionalist, people have a hard time remembering the constitution does not apply to you. it is the instructions for the government to follow. it tells the government they have no business nosebaggin around yours. Those are not rules for you to abide by. Even the president knows that.
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