Big Government

[dukeanthony]

I bash his followers because Ron Paul probably laughs at how stupid you are.

 

[tomahawk2406]

hey now, i am much more cynical.

theruiner routinely bashes ron paul for the naive ideologue that he is. i bash ron paul for the fact that he fucks turtles and wants to undo the social safety net and public education. duke's thing is more bashing the followers.

lol i love the grouping.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Privatizing that which the government had no business being involved in (social security), in the first place, isn't destroying... it's correcting a mistake.

Dissolving bureaucratic institutions that never should have been created (ObamaCare), also isn't destroying... it's common sense.

Unwinding legislation or transforming that which has proven to be unsustainable, has the opposite effect it was designed to improve (welfare, etc)and is a direct threat to the economy of this country, isn't destroying... it's self preservation. You don't sink the entire life raft in an effort to save the people who refuse to swim.

There should be programs to help the incapacitated, disabled and mentally ill. I have no problem with unemployment for a short period of time and even programs to help those that live in abject poverty (I'm not talking about people who only have one tv and two cell phones), but I also think they should contribute to society, if they accept that assistance. You got a problem with people on welfare/unemployment being required to work for that money?

 

[dukeanthony]

Privatizing that which the government had no business being involved in (social security), in the first place, isn't destroying... it's correcting a mistake.

Dissolving bureaucratic institutions that never should have been created (ObamaCare), also isn't destroying... it's common sense.

Unwinding legislation or transforming that which has proven to be unsustainable, has the opposite effect it was designed to improve (welfare, etc)and is a direct threat to the economy of this country, isn't destroying... it's self preservation. You don't sink the entire life raft in an effort to save the people who refuse to swim.

There should be programs to help the incapacitated, disabled and mentally ill. I have no problem with unemployment for a short period of time and even programs to help those that live in abject poverty (I'm not talking about people who only have one tv and two cell phones), but I also think they should contribute to society, if they accept that assistance. You got a problem with people on welfare/unemployment being required to work for that money?

Promote the general Welfare
Its in the Constitution
And Obamacare was a Great idea when it was the REpublicans Plan

How about Universal Care Even Better

Oh Yeah lets privatize Social security
That way we can Kill grandma even faster

 

[Harrekin]

Promote the general Welfare
Its in the Constitution
And Obamacare was a Great idea when it was the REpublicans Plan

How about Universal Care Even Better

Oh Yeah lets privatize Social security
That way we can Kill grandma even faster

Simple yes or no questions Duke, no bullshit...do you genuinely think the status quo is the best way? You LOVE the Government, don't you?

You realise the Government IS NOT the country, the Government is there to serve the country. If it ain't working and you criticise it, it doesn't make you less patriotic, infact it makes you more so.

Just mull that around your brain for a while.

 

[beardo]

These debates will be a lot easier after they get rid of all those who disagree
your either with us or ....

 

[dukeanthony]

I love My COuntry
And I like My goverment
My family almost makes 100k per year Combined
And I think for the Money we spend in taxes we are getting a bargain
And Again i ask you Harrekin
Why you throwing stones at our Goverment
When your country is real Close to becoming the Shit hole it was 20 years ago?

 

[beardo]

Promote the general Welfare
Its in the Constitution
And Obamacare was a Great idea when it was the REpublicans Plan

How about Universal Care Even Better

Oh Yeah lets privatize Social security
That way we can Kill grandma even faster

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[MuyLocoNC]

Promote the general Welfare
Its in the Constitution
And Obamacare was a Great idea when it was the REpublicans Plan

How about Universal Care Even Better

Oh Yeah lets privatize Social security
That way we can Kill grandma even faster

Just because the entitlement called welfare shares a common word as a line in the Constitution, does not validate the legislation. The line you quote without understanding, means create an environment where the citizens are safe and can thrive. I would assert that Welfare as it exists, does exactly the opposite.

I'm not a Republican and don't support Progressives from either side of the aisle.

Universal healthcare is waiting for you, it's just a plane ride away. Feel free.

Lol, at the grandma... maybe a solvent program that stands a chance of actually being there when our young adults retire is a more sound approach.

 

[dukeanthony]

Just because the entitlement called welfare shares a common word as a line in the Constitution, does not validate the legislation. The line you quote without understanding, means create an environment where the citizens are safe and can thrive. I would assert that Welfare as it exists, does exactly the opposite.

I'm not a Republican and don't support Progressives from either side of the aisle.

Universal healthcare is waiting for you, it's just a plane ride away. Feel free.

Lol, at the grandma... maybe a solvent program that stands a chance of actually being there when our yong adults retire is a more sound approach.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn't that ironic?" --Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get treatment in Canada's single-payer health care system, despite having demonized such government-run programs as socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like rationing, March 6, 2010

 

[dukeanthony]

Just because the entitlement called welfare shares a common word as a line in the Constitution, does not validate the legislation. The line you quote without understanding, means create an environment where the citizens are safe and can thrive. I would assert that Welfare as it exists, does exactly the opposite.

I'm not a Republican and don't support Progressives from either side of the aisle.

Universal healthcare is waiting for you, it's just a plane ride away. Feel free.

Lol, at the grandma... maybe a solvent program that stands a chance of actually being there when our young adults retire is a more sound approach.

The latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office show that the combined program will be fully solvent until 2038.
Even after this date, the program will still be able to pay 81 percent of scheduled benefits.
Alternatively, if taxes were raised enough to make the program fully solvent, the necessary tax increase is equal to about 5 percent of projected wage growth over the next three decades.


Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-22/politics/30041326_1_disability-insolvency-social-security#ixzz1f9EDOwWV

 

[MuyLocoNC]

So the Canadians let US citizens cross over and get free healthcare, I guess anyone would be stupid not to take advantage of that. The key point being free, which of course if it was implemented here, it would be far from that.

 

[dukeanthony]

promote the general Welfare
This, and the next part of the Preamble, are the culmination of everything that came before it — the whole point of having tranquility, justice, and defense was to promote the general welfare — to allow every state and every citizen of those states to benefit from what the government could provide. The framers looked forward to the expansion of land holdings, industry, and investment, and they knew that a strong national government would be the beginning of that.

 

[dukeanthony]

The US Supreme Court has ruled that nothing in the preamble grants legislative power.

"Welfare" should not be read in isolation, but as a part of the whole preamble - the idea of the preamble is simply that the founders of our nation think that the proposed system of governance would naturally result in the items listed in the preamble. Be very cautious to not confuse result and causation.

"General welfare" is one of the ostensible results of our system of governance.

Turning the tables around and saying that "general welfare" is a legislative goal is entirely corrupt and against what the founders were saying.

The founders defined "welfare" as a result - a natural consequence. Those who would incorrectly have you believe that it is a legislative objective try to rewrite history by making a consequential result into an active cause.

Perhaps the previous would be true if the "general welfare" were only mentioned in the preamble. Thankfully it is included in the text where "general welfare" is surely a legislative goal (as is the whole preamble--the articles and amendments merely spell out the HOW we get what the preamble guarantees) "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Promote_the_general_welfare_mean#ixzz1f9F8IuYB

 

[MuyLocoNC]

The latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office show that the combined program will be fully solvent until 2038.
Even after this date, the program will still be able to pay 81 percent of scheduled benefits.
Alternatively, if taxes were raised enough to make the program fully solvent, the necessary tax increase is equal to about 5 percent of projected wage growth over the next three decades.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-22/politics/30041326_1_disability-insolvency-social-security#ixzz1f9EDOwWV

That's awesome except for the fact it's an absolute joke. There is NO SS fund, payouts officially exceeded revenue in 2010, how is that solvent buddy? You mean as long as we keep borrowing $1.8 trillion a year for all this progressive goodness? That about right? Yeah, it became insolvent last year, as so many predicted and in about 7 years it's gonna get way, way worse. But hey, lets start borrowing $3 trillion a year, who cares?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

promote the general Welfare
This, and the next part of the Preamble, are the culmination of everything that came before it — the whole point of having tranquility, justice, and defense was to promote the general welfare — to allow every state and every citizen of those states to benefit from what the government could provide. The framers looked forward to the expansion of land holdings, industry, and investment, and they knew that a strong national government would be the beginning of that.

Yeah, not seeing the part where it says free shit for all who want to sit on their asses.

 

[dukeanthony]

That's awesome except for the fact it's an absolute joke. There is NO SS fund, payouts officially exceeded revenue in 2010, how is that solvent buddy? You mean as long as we keep borrowing $1.8 trillion a year for all this progressive goodness? That about right? Yeah, it became insolvent last year, as so many predicted and in about 7 years it's gonna get way, way worse. But hey, lets start borrowing $3 trillion a year, who cares?

I bet you are a few pounds of fertilizer away from going all Tim Mcveigh arent you angry young dolt?

 

[dukeanthony]

The US Supreme Court has ruled that nothing in the preamble grants legislative power.

"Welfare" should not be read in isolation, but as a part of the whole preamble - the idea of the preamble is simply that the founders of our nation think that the proposed system of governance would naturally result in the items listed in the preamble. Be very cautious to not confuse result and causation.

"General welfare" is one of the ostensible results of our system of governance.

Turning the tables around and saying that "general welfare" is a legislative goal is entirely corrupt and against what the founders were saying.

The founders defined "welfare" as a result - a natural consequence. Those who would incorrectly have you believe that it is a legislative objective try to rewrite history by making a consequential result into an active cause.

Perhaps the previous would be true if the "general welfare" were only mentioned in the preamble. Thankfully it is included in the text where "general welfare" is surely a legislative goal (as is the whole preamble--the articles and amendments merely spell out the HOW we get what the preamble guarantees) "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Promote_the_general_welfare_mean#ixzz1f9F8IuYB

Need A reading Comprehension Course. next time you get a free Education
Try to pay attention in english class

 

[sgt john]

Its 9:30am...I'm completely sober jackass

I don't feel a lack in government oversight is what caused the pipe to break...I think it broke...it just fucking broke...shit breaks...shit happens...it wasn't an intentional thing where any amount of govt approval would have changed...but meh whatevs

Please switch to decaf...

 

[MuyLocoNC]

The US Supreme Court has ruled that nothing in the preamble grants legislative power.

"Welfare" should not be read in isolation, but as a part of the whole preamble - the idea of the preamble is simply that the founders of our nation think that the proposed system of governance would naturally result in the items listed in the preamble. Be very cautious to not confuse result and causation.

"General welfare" is one of the ostensible results of our system of governance.

Turning the tables around and saying that "general welfare" is a legislative goal is entirely corrupt and against what the founders were saying.

The founders defined "welfare" as a result - a natural consequence. Those who would incorrectly have you believe that it is a legislative objective try to rewrite history by making a consequential result into an active cause.

Perhaps the previous would be true if the "general welfare" were only mentioned in the preamble. Thankfully it is included in the text where "general welfare" is surely a legislative goal (as is the whole preamble--the articles and amendments merely spell out the HOW we get what the preamble guarantees) "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Promote_the_general_welfare_mean#ixzz1f9F8IuYB

Thank you for taking the time to make my point. They also made it clear they wanted an EXTREMELY limited FEDERAL government. Got that? They intentionally restrained the scope and power of the federal government to prevent exactly what is happening to this country right now. That's why so many of your countrymen are upset, not because a black man is President. Rather, it's because a vile progressive is at the helm, and he's carrying on the agenda of the last 80 years.