Cannabolics philosophy on bud and the bible

[porchmonkey4life]

If any religious person gives you shit for smoking herb ask them to go find out what the canneh-bosom was that Jesus used for his holy anointing oils

Canneh-bosom? Did Jesus inhale?

 

[porchmonkey4life]

I did a little search on this "Keinenbosom". Found an article in High Times:

CHRISTIANS & POT: A HIGH HOLY HISTORY The story of marijuana’s role in Christianity has long been suppressed. Today, the issue of the healing herb has resurfaced in both mainstream and fringe churches, despite its demonization by the evangelical move

 

[Cheese x Kush]

St Mark described Cannabis as the new wine after coming back from Africa

 

[Cannabolic]

I did a little search on this "Keinenbosom". Found an article in High Times:

CHRISTIANS & POT: A HIGH HOLY HISTORY The story of marijuana’s role in Christianity has long been suppressed. Today, the issue of the healing herb has resurfaced in both mainstream and fringe churches, despite its demonization by the evangelical move

thats crazy, i missed that whole part about the holy oil in exidus im going to try and find that.

 

[ZenMaster]

In the Bible it says to take everything into moderation.

Anything and everything can be abused. If you have discipline and control I believe its fine as long as you know your limits.

Hell it says to drink a glass of wine everyday in the Bible, and its a scientific fact that it indeed healthy if you do and helps you digest food.

 

[porchmonkey4life]

21No man seweth a piece of raw cloth to an old garment: otherwise the new piecing taketh away from the old, and there is made a greater rent.

22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: otherwise the wine will burst the bottles, and both the wine will be spilled, and the bottles will be lost. But new wine must be put into new bottles.

I don't see how this could be interpreted as referring to weed. Where is this st. mark version?

 

[Cheese x Kush]

I don't see how this could be interpreted as referring to weed. Where is this st. mark version?[/quote]

I do not know what made you think thats what i ment but if you just do a cannabis history search you will see it , the Hindus, Muslims, Cristians ,all religions viewed it as sacred at one stage ,
The roman leaders encouraged his people to use cannabis to make them happy then canceled it because they would not fight , Napolion did the same he put a ban on cannabis because his army would not fight ..
Even at one stage the queen of england fined land owners if they did not grow cannabis

just do a quick search you will see st mark came back from africa and claimed cannabis sacred ,

the Ph. Mohommed banished alcohol and welcomed cannabis ,
and the hindus worshiped it 100,s of years bc calling it in there languish the plant of 2 faces good and evil if i remember right ,
same as the chinese , they got this meaning because its a single plant of both sexes

Cannabis has only earned its bad name in recent years of its very long life living with us and most if not all religions claimed it as sacred at one time

 

[Carribean Blue]

i recon that we have the responsiblity to look after the world and such stewardship and that also that if we harvest the world its ok because it is our duty to look after the world and we can use the earths resouces to our needs as long as we look after the earth plant what we take so marijuana plant it in hedge rows on buildings every where in citys ect...

 

[ScarletteSky]

I liked this. I am a person who sometimes ponders the religious aspect of smoking weed. I have always thought that if God didn't want us to have marijuana, he would not have put it here for us, as he did everything else. Unlike other drugs such as extasy or cocaine which must be manufactured from a plant, marijuana is all natural. One only has to take care of it for it to be good.

 

[porchmonkey4life]

I will never understand why people started giving weed this negative reputation. No one ever ODed on mj. Compared to other drugs, very few have fought, died or sucked dick for mj, and compared to other drugs, very few lives have ever been destroyed by mj. The statistics are all there...except the ones we haven't yet deduced from the scientific studies we aren't allowed to conduct on this plant. I think people are beginning to conceptualize weed more realistically nowadays, but I don't think it will ever lose its stigma among religious and political conservatives.

 

[Cannabolic]

In the Bible it says to take everything into moderation.

Anything and everything can be abused. If you have discipline and control I believe its fine as long as you know your limits.

Hell it says to drink a glass of wine everyday in the Bible, and its a scientific fact that it indeed healthy if you do and helps you digest food.

exactly what im sayin!!

 

[Cannabolic]

I don't see how this could be interpreted as referring to weed. Where is this st. mark version?

I do not know what made you think thats what i ment but if you just do a cannabis history search you will see it , the Hindus, Muslims, Cristians ,all religions viewed it as sacred at one stage ,
The roman leaders encouraged his people to use cannabis to make them happy then canceled it because they would not fight , Napolion did the same he put a ban on cannabis because his army would not fight ..
Even at one stage the queen of england fined land owners if they did not grow cannabis

just do a quick search you will see st mark came back from africa and claimed cannabis sacred ,

the Ph. Mohommed banished alcohol and welcomed cannabis ,
and the hindus worshiped it 100,s of years bc calling it in there languish the plant of 2 faces good and evil if i remember right ,
same as the chinese , they got this meaning because its a single plant of both sexes

Cannabis has only earned its bad name in recent years of its very long life living with us and most if not all religions claimed it as sacred at one time [/quote]
there has got to be a way we can get the truth out. many ppl believe that marijuana is bad only because their parents and their parents, parents told them that it was bad. and thats only cuz of the marijuana prohibition.

 

[Cheese x Kush]

there has got to be a way we can get the truth out. many ppl believe that marijuana is bad only because their parents and their parents, parents told them that it was bad. and thats only cuz of the marijuana prohibition.[/quote]

This is very true .... PS that was me commenting on pouchmoneys words....... i dont see how this could interpreted weed and it looks like i says it the under neath words are mines lmao wft haha

 

[porchmonkey4life]

I'd just really like to know what scripture exactly says anything about weed, as I haven't read the bible since my parents forced me to go to church as a child (and ruined my relationship with God). Please look them up for me-I'll read up on it next time I'm in a hotel room smoking a j (cuz you know they still keep Bibles in the drawers, for some reason...as if that Bible is gonna keep a guy from fucking his prostitute there)

 

[Cannabolic]

I'd just really like to know what scripture exactly says anything about weed, as I haven't read the bible since my parents forced me to go to church as a child (and ruined my relationship with God). Please look them up for me-I'll read up on it next time I'm in a hotel room smoking a j (cuz you know they still keep Bibles in the drawers, for some reason...as if that Bible is gonna keep a guy from fucking his prostitute there)

lmao i noticed that every hotel has bibles for some reason. i thought that it would maybe prevent ppl from trashing the hotel rooms cuz hotel management don't care what your doin in there, as long as it dosn't cost them money. and ppl tend to get really religious when there doin somthin there not saposed to and see a bible. but idk. but there aren't any Exact scriptures directed to cannabis. they talk about the anointed oil which was made from cannabis, but they don't really say that in the bible, you have to do some research, but i can tell you which chapters to read that are related to cannabis if you want.

 

[Maccabee]

Here's a smattering of passages I've seen referenced in relation to marijuana:

Torah / Genesis 1:12 [JPS edition]

The earth brought forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that this was good.

Torah / Genesis 1:29-31

29 And God said: 'Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed--to you it shall be for food; 30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, [I have given] every green herb.' And it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Torah / Exodus 30:23 -- this is the controversial bit that scholars dispute. 'Aromatic cane' is 'K'neh bosem' in Hebrew. This may refer to a reed native to the Egypt/Sinai area, or it may refer to Cannabis.

22. The LORD spoke to Moses, saying: 23 Next take choice spices: five hundred weight of solidified myrrh, half as much--two hundred fifty--of fragrant cinnamon, two hundred fifty of aromatic cane, 24 five hundred--by sanctuary weight--of cassia, and a hin of olive oil. 25. Make of this a sacred anointing oil....

An encapsulation of the analysis that holds Cannabis is the "aromatic cane," from Lycaeum.org:

"It is said that the Assyrians used hemp (marijuana) as incense in the seventh or eighth century before Christ and called it 'Qunubu,' a term apparently borrowed from an old East Iranian word 'Konaba,' the same as the Scythian name 'cannabis.'" (Plants of the Gods -- Origin of Hallucinogenic Use by Richard E. Schultes and Albert Hofmann)

"Herodotus in the fifth century B.C. observed the Scythians throwing hemp on heated stone to create smoke and observed them inhaling this smoke. Although he does not identify them, Herodotus states that when they 'have parties and sit around a fire, they throw some of it into the flames. As it burns, it smokes like incense, and the smell of it makes them drunk, just as wine does us. As more fruit is thrown on, they get more and more intoxicated until finally they jump up and start dancing and singing.'" (Herodotus, Histories 1.202.)

EVIDENCE INDICATING THE SEMITIC ORIGIN OF CANNABIS

The name cannabis is generally thought to be of Scythian origin. Sula Benet in Cannabis and Culture argues that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, occurring several times in the Old Testament. He states that in Exodus 30:23 that God commands Moses to make a holy anointing oil of myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm, and kassia. He continues that the word kaneh bosm is also rendered in the traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus and that the root "kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp," while "bosm" means "aromatic." He states that in the earliest Greek translations of the old testament "kan" was rendered as "reed," leading to such erroneous English translations as "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23), sweet cane (Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20) and "calamus" (Ezekiel 27:19; Song of Songs 4:14). Benet argues from the linguistic evidence that cannabis was known in Old Testament times at least for its aromatic properties and that the word for it passed from the Semitic language to the Scythians, i.e. the Ashkenaz of the Old Testament.
Sara Benetowa of the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw is quoted as saying:

"The astonishing resemblance between the Semitic 'kanbos' and the Scythian 'cannabis' leads me to suppose that the Scythian word was of Semitic origin. These etymological discussions run parallel to arguments drawn from history. The Iranian Scythians were probably related to the Medes, who were neighbors of the Semites and could easily have assimilated the word for hemp. The Semites could also have spread the word during their migrations through Asia Minor. "Taking into account the matriarchal element of Semitic culture, one is led to believe that Asia Minor was the original point of expansion for both the society based on the matriarchal circle and the mass use of hashish."

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Also, the prophets seem to have been into it. That should perhaps not be surprising.

Nevi'im/Isiah: 18

4 For thus hath the LORD said unto me: I will hold Me still, and I will look on in My dwelling-place, like clear heat in sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5
For before the harvest, when the blossom is over, and the bud becometh a ripening grape, He will cut off the sprigs with pruning-hooks, and the shoots will He take away and lop off.

Of course, we don't if Isiah was talking about buds or souls. ;P

From the other end of the biblical spectrum:
Revelation 22 (KJV)


1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

I'm not a very religious person, but I do enjoy the notion that the Israelites used Cannabis and spread it to other early civilizations. Aside from the Tree of Life in Revelation (a stretch if you ask me), there's not much to be found in the New Testament. Apparently, no one turned Jesus on to the Roman Red:

 

[Cannabolic]

anybody who is active in this thread should read this:Is It Okay for Christians to Use Marijuana and Other Drugs?

 

[Cannabolic]

Here's a smattering of passages I've seen referenced in relation to marijuana:

Torah / Genesis 1:12 [JPS edition]

The earth brought forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants of every kind, and trees of every kind bearing fruit with the seed in it. And God saw that this was good.

Torah / Genesis 1:29-31

29 And God said: 'Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed--to you it shall be for food; 30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is a living soul, [I have given] every green herb.' And it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Torah / Exodus 30:23 -- this is the controversial bit that scholars dispute. 'Aromatic cane' is 'K'neh bosem' in Hebrew. This may refer to a reed native to the Egypt/Sinai area, or it may refer to Cannabis.

22. The LORD spoke to Moses, saying: 23 Next take choice spices: five hundred weight of solidified myrrh, half as much--two hundred fifty--of fragrant cinnamon, two hundred fifty of aromatic cane, 24 five hundred--by sanctuary weight--of cassia, and a hin of olive oil. 25. Make of this a sacred anointing oil....

An encapsulation of the analysis that holds Cannabis is the "aromatic cane," from Lycaeum.org:

Also, the prophets seem to have been into it. That should perhaps not be surprising.

Nevi'im/Isiah: 18

4 For thus hath the LORD said unto me: I will hold Me still, and I will look on in My dwelling-place, like clear heat in sunshine, like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. 5
For before the harvest, when the blossom is over, and the bud becometh a ripening grape, He will cut off the sprigs with pruning-hooks, and the shoots will He take away and lop off.

Of course, we don't if Isiah was talking about buds or souls. ;P

From the other end of the biblical spectrum:
Revelation 22 (KJV)


1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

I'm not a very religious person, but I do enjoy the notion that the Israelites used Cannabis and spread it to other early civilizations. Aside from the Tree of Life in Revelation (a stretch if you ask me), there's not much to be found in the New Testament. Apparently, no one turned Jesus on to the Roman Red:

what i have noticed, is that the bible contradicts itself. in the old testiment which is how the earth began and the word of god, it pretty much say every hing is good etc. but if you read the new testiment, some of the stuff that was ok befor, isent ok now. shit even in the new testiment alone conradicts itself. on one hand jesus says that you have to keep religion and state seprate, but he also saiys that there is only one law and thats god and anything that exists is an enforcement of god, and if you don't fallow the rules of your state then your going against the word of god. what kind of shit is that? my brain hurts im going so smoke and think about this one.

 

[Maccabee]

The Tanach [תנ״ך] ( composed of the Torah -- 'law,' the pentateuch or the Five Books of Moses, Nevi'im -- prophets, Ketuvim -- the 'misc' section, including Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Esther, Daniel, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Chronicles, etc ) is Jewish scripture, whereas the Gospels are Christian scripture. That there are contradictions should not be surprising. Contradictions in the Gospels aren't that hard to understand--they are different versions of the same story, as recalled by the apostles. Furthermore, the canon is not the same between the two religions, or even between different sub-sects.

Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tanakh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New Testament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said, I'm not very religious. I find the Bible to be a fascinating text, though, and one of the more interesting exercises is to compare the same passage across different translations/editions. You see meanings shift as they are filtered through different languages and cultures, as well as editors with different agenda across the course of history.

 

[porchmonkey4life]

Mac, you're really Jewish, aren't you? I can tell. Me like Jewish boys.