The "I don't starve my plants before harvest" thread

[Gastanker]

Hard to find a single sentence that conveys all of the information necessary. Hopefully this works for you :

First we agree that nutrients are soluble minerals -

Yes in fact charged soluble minerals are up-taken through the roots for transport throughout the plant -

The plant has a vascular system that transports these mobile nutrients... This is all bio 101...

Straight from a standard college textbook.

If your an athelete training for the olympics why would you spend all that time getting ready just to starve yourself in the last weeks before the event.

Would you feed him several hamburgers mid sprint a few yards from the finish line? By the last two weeks of flower your plant has already competed and won all of the events - now you want it to do a couple slow laps so it doesn't cramp

 

[Izoc666]

hey SirLanceot, good thread ! +rep for ya.

last night my oldest son and me were smoked my final products...first of all he said damn its the best taste and smooth....we had this convro about flush method, he got the bean from his buddy (hes grower), we smoke their flushed products, taste is okay, just little of harsh , i told my oldest son, your buddy fucked up the drying and curing process thats when we went into a big agrument...so I ended up to plant the same beans , i vegged and flowered, no flush, just gradually nutes down every watering till i harvested....now he can see the difference...i got better quaity of yield and best taste as well...now he knows that flush before harvest is pure myth...i will flush if im fucked up by overfertilization. man i always tell everyone in here, to do the expriement unflush and flush....its very important to do the drying and curing in right way !!!

666

 

[Gastanker]

hey SirLanceot, good thread ! +rep for ya.

last night my oldest son and me were smoked my final products...first of all he said damn its the best taste and smooth....we had this convro about flush method, he got the bean from his buddy (hes grower), we smoke their flushed products, taste is okay, just little of harsh , i told my oldest son, your buddy fucked up the drying and curing process thats when we went into a big agrument...so I ended up to plant the same beans , i vegged and flowered, no flush, just gradually nutes down every watering till i harvested....now he can see the difference...i got better quaity of yield and best taste as well...now he knows that flush before harvest is pure myth...i will flush if im fucked up by overfertilization. man i always tell everyone in here, to do the expriement unflush and flush....its very important to do the drying and curing in right way !!!

666

I thought dropping your nutes at the end of flowering was flushing...

I was under the impression Lancelot was arguing that you should go full steam ahead with nutes at the end and that there will be no difference.

 

[tip top toker]

Here's one of the ways in which i see the flushing debate. The debate is huge and never finishes, this in itself rather indicates that flushing canot be important as people say, else the debate would eventually be won by the flushers. I've flushed and not flushed in soil, coco and hydro. I notice no difference. The only thing whihc impats how smooth the smoke is etc, is the drying and curing process.

 

[wbd]

Yes they are. and untill someone can PROVE otherwise their all guilty for falling into the "cool kid" club and flushing. It's a marketing scheme open your eyes!

Who praytell is behind this marketing scheme you speak of?

 

[bamfrivet]

Who praytell is behind this marketing scheme you speak of?

the companies that sell you the chemical flushing agent.

 

[wbd]

Here's one of the ways in which i see the flushing debate. The debate is huge and never finishes, this in itself rather indicates that flushing canot be important as people say, else the debate would eventually be won by the flushers. I've flushed and not flushed in soil, coco and hydro. I notice no difference. The only thing whihc impats how smooth the smoke is etc, is the drying and curing process.

Agreed, as heated as this debate is you'd think there was overwhelming evidence that flushing is a terrible idea. Maybe it is in theory, but in practice nobody can actually tell the difference. Some guy wrote the other day that he had ruined crops by flushing but never elaborated on what "ruined" meant -- grain of salt.

Of course, to me, if it doesn't make a difference either way, seems like not flushing is the most logical conclusion. But I'm not going to get all bent out of shape if some guy wants to swear up and down that flushing makes his smoke better. I mean, WTF do I care, I don't get to smoke any of his flushed buds anyhow.

 

[wbd]

the companies that sell you the chemical flushing agent.

The recommendation to flush was around around long before flushing agents became popular like they are now. And no marijuana guides I have read ever insist you flush with these products...

 

[bamfrivet]

The recommendation to flush was around around long before flushing agents became popular like they are now. And no marijuana guides I have read ever insist you flush with these products...

Guides, not laws and rules of how the plant must be grown and treated in order to get the best smoke out of it. The flushing myth didn't really come about until nute companies figured out they can charge you to take out what you just put in your soil. Flush if you want, im just throwing out what I've learned from my own personal grows and the different strains I've grown out. Peace.

 

[wbd]

Guides, not laws and rules of how the plant must be grown and treated in order to get the best smoke out of it. The flushing myth didn't really come about until nute companies figured out they can charge you to take out what you just put in your soil. Flush if you want, im just throwing out what I've learned from my own personal grows and the different strains I've grown out. Peace.

Guides, advice from people on the internet, whatever it doesnt matter... the advice has never been "flush with a flushing agent". Not that I've ever seen...

 

[bamfrivet]

Guides, advice from people on the internet, whatever it doesnt matter... the advice has never been "flush with a flushing agent". Not that I've ever seen...

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/final_phase/final_phase_product_information.php
http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/products/flushing/royal-flush/
http://grotek.net/en/products/product.aspx?id=30
http://www.4hydro.com/hydroponics/florakleen.asp

And this is how myths are started. Companies take your money for over priced nutes. Then they tell you that you need another one of their products to finish the job. You have to pay them to keep your plant alive, then you have to pay them before you can cut it down and enjoy it.

If you don't want the most out of your crops, then by all means flush your plants to death. They are your plants.

 

[SlimJim503]

Stop using fucked up nutrients to grow your shit cuz i use FF trio for soil and super natural for dro ive tried the flush method 3x the amount of water then soil of freash water in dro "true flush" and its all bullshit ruin your plants if you want to but ima squeeze every drop of goodness out of mine. Someone already said this but unless you have ran your own tests and seen first hand the outcome of both methods you should shut your mouth and stop sweating anybody that puts out a book about herb a illegal plant that right there should tell you there are going to be myths some true but most are false made up by people who dont actually grow or assholes trying to fuck up others product so they can have the best in the area. DO YOUR OWN TESTS if you read something dont believe it until you confirm it yourself through your OWN tests. "not saying all herb books are bullshit some of them are ok but they cant teach you anything growing a veggie garden cant. Anyone go out to their apple tree when it has apples and flush the shit out of the soil fuck no if it rains a bunch before you harvest your fruit/veggies what happens? Oh yeah they loose taste and smell even size but why would it be any different for a weed plant oh because a weed plant is magical and not a stupid plant right no you all are tripping. Unless your using something you shouldn't for consumables then you dont need to flush and why the hell would you use something if you didn't want to smoke/eat it in the first place. Everything you find in GOOD nutrients should be able to be found in your garden soil......

 

[KushDog]

I have had inproply flushed weed from the compassion club. and i have had flushed bud from there to. Inless the owner was making shuff up about wicth is flush and whicth one wasn't.

So every body should feed till the end, don't give your plants freash water. feed them right before harvest. because you can just Cure all the nastyness out of it later on. you can get aleast a half gram more, but you gotta compermiss on taste and smokability. but it is worth having a extra gram or two, and nasty smoke. more power to ya.

 

[cues]

Old, old argument. No contest. Flush or cough and spit. Been there, done that. Got the holes in the carpet. If you honestly feel that not flushing is better, carry on.

 

[Harrekin]

I have had inproply flushed weed from the compassion club. and i have had flushed bud from there to. Inless the owner was making shuff up about wicth is flush and whicth one wasn't.

So every body should feed till the end, don't give your plants freash water. feed them right before harvest. because you can just Cure all the nastyness out of it later on. you can get aleast a half gram more, but you gotta compermiss on taste and smokability. but it is worth having a extra gram or two, and nasty smoke. more power to ya.

Have you not been reading or is your reading comprehension just poor? Flushing doesn't effect the final taste, drying and curing does.

As I said before, I fed my plants 3 days ago and chopped a bid off yesterday to test, it didn't pop, fizzle, crackle, etc after I quick dried t. Tasted like hay but was smooth as fuck...I guess my plants are just somehow "different" or my sense of taste is off? No, I just don't follow myths. Speaking of myth, there's about as much evidence of Hercules being real as there is evidence flushing works.

 

[SlimJim503]

Word of mouth does not come into play in the discussions you need to have grown said herb or otherwise thats all you got word of mouth and thats why there are so many myths hahahaha ever been to a grow shop?

 

[SlimJim503]

Have you not been reading or is your reading comprehension just poor? Flushing doesn't effect the final taste, drying and curing does.

As I said before, I fed my plants 3 days ago and chopped a bid off yesterday to test, it didn't pop, fizzle, crackle, etc after I quick dried t. Tasted like hay but was smooth as fuck...I guess my plants are just somehow "different" or my sense of taste is off? No, I just don't follow myths. Speaking of myth, there's about as much evidence of Hercules being real as there is evidence flushing works.

hurcles hurcles hahahaha [video=youtube;PxYQQoYfMtQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxYQQoYfMtQ&feature=related[/video]

 

[wbd]

http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/final_phase/final_phase_product_information.php
http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/products/flushing/royal-flush/
http://grotek.net/en/products/product.aspx?id=30
http://www.4hydro.com/hydroponics/florakleen.asp

And this is how myths are started. Companies take your money for over priced nutes. Then they tell you that you need another one of their products to finish the job. You have to pay them to keep your plant alive, then you have to pay them before you can cut it down and enjoy it.

If you don't want the most out of your crops, then by all means flush your plants to death. They are your plants.

Flush your plants to death? A bit dramatic I think. But if you can tell my how in your own experience that flushing has ever hurt your plants -- not in theory but in terms of yield or perceived quality -- please share.

I don't flush at harvest because I've found it simply doesn't benefit me in any way, and I also don't think this debate is fueled at all by nutrient marketing. There are no threads that read "OMG THIS FLUSHING AGENT ROCKS!!", not that I've seen anyhow. To be honest, I don't think people generally care too much about these products... that's all I was saying.

 

[bamfrivet]

Flush your plants to death? A bit dramatic I think. But if you can tell my how in your own experience that flushing has ever hurt your plants -- not in theory but in terms of yield or perceived quality -- please share.

I don't flush at harvest because I've found it simply doesn't benefit me in any way, and I also don't think this debate is fueled at all by nutrient marketing. There are no threads that read "OMG THIS FLUSHING AGENT ROCKS!!", not that I've seen anyhow. To be honest, I don't think people generally care too much about these products... that's all I was saying.

flush your plants to death may sound dramatic, but the idea of flushing is; to flush the nutrients out of the soil, making the plant eat up the mobile nutrients the plant has stored in its self, which is a side effect of starvation, you do that for the last 2 weeks, then you cut the plant and hang it, as it dries out it dies. It might sound dramatic, but it's what's happening.

The point I was making about the flushing agents in that, they are what started the idea that you need to flush your plant. No other farmers flush their plants. These flushing agents are marketed towards cannabis growers. People bought them, got it in their head that you need to get rid of all those nutrients in the plant, then they realized they don't need chemicals to get the nutrients out of the soil, they could just use water. But why does only cannabis need this special treatment? It doesn't.

 

[thechemist310]

Who praytell is behind this marketing scheme you speak of?

I was wondering this... Wouldn't flushing save nutes? As a business don't you want to sell more product, not less?