"Meshmican" Cannabis from the 1970s

[Snafu1236]

Hello,

Can anyone enlighten me to any information they may have regarding this "rare" strain that hearkens back to the 1970s?

I have recently acquired an exorbitant amount of pristine seeds that although old, are some really incredible land race strains from the 70s and 80s.

One of these seed batches are called "Meshmican"....and this name is new to me.

Can anyone help me out? I am looking for solid and reliable information about this specific strain.

Thank you RIU!

 

[East Hawaii]

Bra it's been awhile since I heard that stuff. If I remember right it came from central Mexico but don't stake you life on it. I'm sure someone else will have some info.
Aloha

 

[Jogro]

My whopping 10 second Google search turns up someone referencing it from the 1970s, claiming it was good, expensive, and straw colored (maybe like Acapulco Gold?).

My educated guess is that its a Mexican sativa-dominant landrace, and its probably pretty good, though like all these strains, it probably takes forever to flower and won't be quite as good if grown outside it natural habitat. Given the nature of the question, I doubt you're going to find a lot more definitive info than that.

 

[Snafu1236]

I appreciate your response. I seemed to have referenced the same last night on google....but not much info.

Very interesting!

 

[Jogro]

The real problem here is that even if this strain were awesome in the 1970s, that doesn't mean that your nearly 40 year old seeds will still germinate, or that if they did, you'd end up with something as good as their potential.

Realistically, if you have hundreds or thousands of them, and they've been stored half-way decently, there is a pretty good chance at least some of them are still viable. Only one way to know for sure, of course!

If you're living somewhere that has a long season (eg CA) and you can grow outdoors through say, November. . .go for it.

Indoors. . .you may have a problem. Under lights, the sativa landrace strains tend to stretch, yielding long internodal space, and take a LONG time to give relatively low yields.

 

[growone]

i don't know is this is the answer, but i do remember that name being mentioned
it wasn't a real strain/name, it was the bad memory of someone who had heard the name Michoacan, but pronounced it like the name posted
but you never know, there are many 'oacans' down Mexico way

 

[East Hawaii]

I got a hold of a friend in Mexico and like growone said it is spelled Michoacan and yes this is what you are looking for and me too. Some day my buddie will make to that region, or so i hope. Aloha

 

[beans davis]

I grew up near the Mexico boarder in Texas, we had an import export biz in Miguel Aleman across the river from the tx town of Roma.
I still have several friends in southern Mexico.We would go to Oaxaca and buy our product as it was being cut.This was from 1972-1983.
From looking at the weed from Mexico i can usually tell where it was grown.I will tell you my personal experience from the years i spent in southern Mexico.I hope this will help.These are my personal experieces, other peoples might be diff. but i was there.

MICHOACAN-usually brown known as comercial mex. bricked not smashed.We didn't buy this,we would buy futher south.Cost $60-$100lb.on the street.
GUERRERO-south of Michoacan, we bought what was known as Guerreran green or gold,the best of the gold was known as Acapulco gold in the states,i never heard a mex. farmer or smuggler use the term acapulco gold only in the states.Acapulco is in the state of Guerrero.This was cut into about 2ft tops wrapped in mex news paper and tied with string.We clled them footballs.Good quality from this region.We bought a lot of this.
OAXAXCA-I found the best smoke to come from this region wich is south of Guerrero.We had a farmer whose family grew sensimilla(no seeds)for us,this was very rare at this time. We would buy the whole crop.It was called Pelirrojo(haired red)Oaxacan,it was wraped in newspaper and tied with string never smashed.This is the best mex. weed in my opinion.Red eyes lots of laffing, up high that last a long time.Highest priced of the mex.$80kilo buying 500kilos,cheaper if it was seeded and we drove it ourselves.I've read of gold mj coming from this region but i never saw it.The gold i saw came from north of here.
These are landrace sativas difficult to grow,Michoacan being the least desirable of the bunch.
These are my personal experiences others may be different,this is a large area with alot of farmers.
I hope this helps.
TexasJack

 

[yesum]

So beans, was the best pot mountain grown like Folgers? I am guessing the farther south and high in mountains gives the most intense sun and so the best sativa. Do you know if these pure sativas are at all being grown now? Must be some seeds and at least a few plants to continue, but maybe not.

 

[Snafu1236]

I appreciate all the responses, it is very much appreciated.

Jogro--- I understand seed viability quite well, and i have quite a knack for successful landrace sativa indoor grows. I appreciate the response, but i feel as though your tone was perhaps a little condescending as i was merely looking for information about this specific strain.

 

[beans davis]

So beans, was the best pot mountain grown like Folgers? I am guessing the farther south and high in mountains gives the most intense sun and so the best sativa. Do you know if these pure sativas are at all being grown now? Must be some seeds and at least a few plants to continue, but maybe not.

No the best pot we got was grown in the vally,but your right about goin south.
Yes pure sativa.Yes,they are all being grown today.The cartels control everything now ,the Guerrero and especially the Oaxacan are hard to get, even if you have people down there you have to deal with the cartels.The Michoacon is what the kids call swag nowdays,its very compressed.Nobody keeps these seeds.Even if you could grow it out it's not stong weed.

I threw a bunch of Guerreran green seeds and gold(acapulco gold)seeds away about 3 months ago.These and the Oaxacan Pelirrojo seeds are only good for experienced breeders that start from land race genetics to make crosses.Most all breeders today just mix crosses, and some do a very good job at it.The same goes for the Columbian red and the gold wich I haven't seen in 20yrs.

I have access to these land race sativas and I buy from seedbanks.
Pick a good breeder and buy from a seedbank.Don't waste your time with those seeds.
Peace bro.

 

[Medshed]

Hey beans - do you have experience with Nirvana's Eldorado (http://www.nirvanashop.com/en/regular-marijuana-seeds/763-eldorado-10-seeds.html)? It is claimed to be from Oaxaca. I picked some up a while back and am planning to try it out indoors.

Medshed

 

[Jogro]

I appreciate all the responses, it is very much appreciated.

Jogro--- I understand seed viability quite well, and i have quite a knack for successful landrace sativa indoor grows. I appreciate the response, but i feel as though your tone was perhaps a little condescending as i was merely looking for information about this specific strain.

Didn't mean to be condescending, just there are lots of posters here who don't appreciate why very few people grow the "long lost" strains anymore.

Maybe with decriminalization in Mexico, and hopefully coming to the USA eventually, some of these old land-races can make a resurgence.

 

[beans davis]

These land race genetics are like pure haze, low yielding,tall and strechy with long flowering times better used to make crosses.
The smoke is pure sativa goodness.Usually only serious breeders want these strains.
Do you think people would be interested in Mexican land races.
I've seen Oaxacan grow outdoors in tx. tall plants below average yied,killer sativa smoke.

 

[beans davis]

Hey beans - do you have experience with Nirvana's Eldorado (http://www.nirvanashop.com/en/regular-marijuana-seeds/763-eldorado-10-seeds.html)? It is claimed to be from Oaxaca. I picked some up a while back and am planning to try it out indoors.

Medshed

If you notice it says it has indica in it.They did this to shorten flower time and increse yield.
This sounds good but not a true landrace mex.Maybe as close as you can get thru a seedbank.
There's ways to get them if you make friends with the right person.
Peace "my friend"

 

[Unnk]

These land race genetics are like pure haze, low yielding,tall and strechy with long flowering times better used to make crosses.
The smoke is pure sativa goodness.Usually only serious breeders want these strains.
Do you think people would be interested in Mexican land races.
I've seen Oaxacan grow outdoors in tx. tall plants below average yied,killer sativa smoke.

but you see in my mind the killer sativa smoke makes the plant

ill grow alot of the bitch to get alot of her and sit on it

cause to me its gold!

 

[Snafu1236]

I also acquired some Thai Stick and Acupulco Gold seeds from the 70s...all in pristine condition.

Thanks for all the responses!

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Something tells me this is another one of those things that's verbally passed down and the later spelling is completely fucked. lmao That does not look like something Spanish. lol Spanglish maybe.

 

[Medshed]

ill grow alot of the bitch to get alot of her and sit on it

cause to me its gold!

That's exactly what I'm planning to do Unnk. I figure I can put a couple in flower and run 2 rounds of hybrids through the flower room while the sativas take their sweet time. Whatever yield comes off of them will go right into the "only share with very close friends who I owe a favor" jars...

 

[Unnk]

"only share with very close friends who I owe a favor" jars...

me and the wifes stash in my terms lol