religion made it a sin to be naked and to be ashamed of your privates

[Shannon Alexander]

2 trolls don't make a goat, so they say...

 

[olylifter420]

by that, then you are a troll too.

Im a chill dude, just dont go spewing atheist hate around me, i dont like it.

Would you just let people talk shit about the things you believe in and take it?



QUOTE=The Chemist Brothers;6832903]yea, i guess when you get trolled and troll back, that makes 2 trolls, but a troll is still a troll no?[/QUOTE]

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

by that, then you are a troll too.

Im a chill dude, just dont go spewing atheist hate around me, i dont like it.

Would you just let people talk shit about the things you believe in and take it?



QUOTE=The Chemist Brothers;6832903]yea, i guess when you get trolled and troll back, that makes 2 trolls, but a troll is still a troll no?

[/QUOTE]

oliver what you need to realise is that , people are taking the piss out of your ( obsurd) beliefs and not you personaly , chill out dude and stop gettin so butt hurt , afterall you believe in a mythical being that you cannot provide one scrap of evidence for existing , so people are going to laugh and ridicule you .

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

As an atheist, every time my friend brings his huge unaltered dog over here I find myself wishing they made jockstraps for animals. This isn't because religion has made me ashamed of it's nakedness, but because I find it distasteful to have a huge set of nuts dragging across my sofa. If my friend came over naked, I would be even more upset, so I appreciate clothes and it has nothing to do with God.

how come other animals arent grossed out by there privates and other animals privates ? you dont see chimps desperately trying to cover up .

 

[Zaehet Strife]

yea, i guess when you get trolled and troll back, that makes 2 trolls, but a troll is still a troll no?

+rep... for the best profile pic i have ever seen in my entire life!! ROFL!!! vegita doesnt break dance!! BAHAHAHA!!!!!! so great!

 

[Heisenberg]

how come other animals arent grossed out by there privates and other animals privates ? you dont see chimps desperately trying to cover up .

And a dog will eat vomit. Do you suppose religion has made us grossed out by vomit? Stop trying to pretend you have thought about this beyond the fact that it will inflame those incapable of resisting troll bait. Modesty does not arise from sin.

Now, if you cared to put more than 4 words into your original post, and pointed out situations where Christian parents refuse to let their children wear clothes that expose too much arm skin or show too much ankle, you would be pointing out a case of religion fostering irrational shame. But it wasn't necessary to sort through nuance in order to get a rise out of oly, so you didn't bother.

 

[olylifter420]

Heis, i finally understand why tsh never posts anything about his beliefs on here... cause he is too dumb to defend, lol...

i already he is going to say something stupid like, "im an atheist, i dont have any beliefs" lols

And a dog will eat vomit. Do you suppose religion has made us grossed out by vomit? Stop trying to pretend you have thought about this beyond the fact that it will inflame those incapable of resisting troll bait. Modesty does not arise from sin.

Now, if you cared to put more than 4 words into your original post, and pointed out situations where Christian parents refuse to let their children wear clothes that expose too much arm skin or show too much ankle, you would be pointing out a case of religion fostering irrational shame. But it wasn't necessary to sort through nuance in order to get a rise out of oly, so you didn't bother.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

And a dog will eat vomit. Do you suppose religion has made us grossed out by vomit? Stop trying to pretend you have thought about this beyond the fact that it will inflame those incapable of resisting troll bait. Modesty does not arise from sin.

Now, if you cared to put more than 4 words into your original post, and pointed out situations where Christian parents refuse to let their children wear clothes that expose too much arm skin or show too much ankle, you would be pointing out a case of religion fostering irrational shame. But it wasn't necessary to sort through nuance in order to get a rise out of oly, so you didn't bother.

actualy fool , the original question was brought to my attention from a christopher hitchens video i watched , and to be honest i reckon all our bodily functions like burping vomit pooh and wee were all made taboo by religion .
i reckon if two human babys were placed on a island together, with no outside influence , they would grow up not caring about nudity or other bodily functions modern humans feel so ashamed of, you only have to look at some remote tribes in the world who use there own feaces to bulid houses etc . .
oh and heinz get over me n oliver , we have a love hate relationship .

 

[olylifter420]

so do you think when a small dog wants to hump a bigger dog in the face while they are laying down likes it? lol

chimps and humans are similar, you use examples of animals similar to us, so they use it similar to us... they jack off a lot...

why are you ashamed of your privates man? did they make fun of you around the peeing trough when you were small?

how come other animals arent grossed out by there privates and other animals privates ? you dont see chimps desperately trying to cover up .

 

[olylifter420]

yeah, all of that, thats why religious nuts do not breath... lol

the one making them taboo is you cause you dislike religion..


why is it that you dont see SMART atheists making STUPID threads like this?

actualy fool , the original question was brought to my attention from a christopher hitchens video i watched , and to be honest i reckon all our bodily functions like burping vomit pooh and wee were all made taboo by religion .

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

smart athiests lol your dumb ass still grouping athiests together like there a group
/cult /religion etc lol still not grasped what an athiest is lol
'if you aint got no money , take your broke ass home '

 

[Heisenberg]

actualy fool , the original question was brought to my attention from a christopher hitchens video i watched , and to be honest i reckon all our bodily functions like burping vomit pooh and wee were all made taboo by religion .
i reckon if two human babys were placed on a island together, with no outside influence , they would grow up not caring about nudity or other bodily functions modern humans feel so ashamed of, you only have to look at some remote tribes in the world who use there own feaces to bulid houses etc . .
oh and heinz get over me n oliver , we have a love hate relationship .

As I said, you didn't understand the nuance of Hitchens point, which is why you came here and put only enough words in your post to bait conflict. You made no effort at all to articulate and explain yourself, and now we see that you have not made this effort inside your own intellect either. You want to emulate a great mind like Hitchens but lack the ability to even parrot him. This makes you a poser.

I am sure Hitchens makes a great point about religion inciting shame, but you do not. You seem to think ANY reason to wear clothing or cover nudity can be blamed on religion. Do you really feel that monkeys do not display modesty because they lack religious influence? The reasons we dress and appreciate clothes are as different as the clothes we wear, and religious incited shame is only one small factor that is mostly confined to those who are religious. Is it inexcusable that religion places such sexual constraints and connotations on it's followers?.. yes, now tell us why. You make poorly thought out statements and then depend on other atheists or videos to defend your point. You spend so much time telling believers to think for themselves, meanwhile you fail to express a single original thought or argument.

If you have a good argument to the contrary, I would like to hear it, and if it is convincing, I will acknowledge it. So far you have only shown us that you agree with the point without actually understanding it. In fact, you seem to miss the point entirely.

EDIT: In fact, missing the point is no big deal. Education is a life long process and none of us are born with wisdom, but when you top it off with your smug attitude and propensity to put insults and belittlement before actual thought, it deserves to be called out.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

'The reasons we dress and appreciate clothes are as different as the clothes we wear, and religious incited shame is only one small factor that is mostly confined to those who are religious. Is it inexcusable that religion places such sexual constraints and connotations on it's followers'
well i disagree , i believe a few hundred years ago religious instruction is all that there was , i dont believe anything else had such a strong influence on human life than religion .i cant actually think of any other reason ?why is it it you think we develepoded shame about nudity ?
do you think there was many athiests a few hundred years ago ?
i dont believe neandethal man had any shame of flashing his bits to the rest of the village ?

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

lol at oliver liking your post , lol its almost a predictable as his religious stance .

 

[Heisenberg]

'The reasons we dress and appreciate clothes are as different as the clothes we wear, and religious incited shame is only one small factor that is mostly confined to those who are religious. Is it inexcusable that religion places such sexual constraints and connotations on it's followers'
well i disagree , i believe a few hundred years ago religious instruction is all that there was , i dont believe anything else had such a strong influence on human life than religion .i cant actually think of any other reason ?

This brings up a question that, not being a history buff, I can't answer. When did humans begin the practice of covering their nudity? Did it predate major religion? Was there any religious aspect to the development? I suspect the reasons were based in practicality rather than religious doctrine.

why is it it you think we develepoded shame about nudity ?

This is a good question, and it confines the conversation to shame of nudity, which excludes pragmatic aversion and simple innocence. There are many reason to want to avoid being nude, but only a few reason behind finding nudity shameful. You should have asked this question in the original post. Not only does it avoid time wasting conflict by clarifying your position, it causes people to stop and think. Being an effective atheist means presenting your criticisms as challenges rather than ridicule.

I think the biggest reason any of us feel ashamed of our bodies would be from our ideas of beauty and attraction. We have all encountered people who look good at first but seem to become less attractive as they shed clothing. Like covering a scar, we want to present our best features and hide our worst. There are also those who know they look good and are embarrassed to flaunt it. Just as someone can be oddly modest about their musical skills or athletic abilities, a person can be uncomfortable with admiration of their body.

The other reason people might feel shame is because they have been explicitly taught. This can and often does come from sexual or psychological abuse. Being constantly told you are ugly as a child, or having your body used against your will, can teach you that sex and our bodies are a despicable thing. This is very similar to what religion does, and by any standard the two should be equally deplorable.

Now I would like to ask you, how is it that religious teaching can be compared to child abuse, as I have just done? I left out what makes religion similar. Can you explain the rationale behind this comparison?

 

[olylifter420]

dude, did you watch the movie blue lagoon? the one where a sister and brother grow up solo on an island and end up fucking? yea, nice try and a nice argument fallacy, i cant think of one right now, but you sure did something wrong...

actualy fool , the original question was brought to my attention from a christopher hitchens video i watched , and to be honest i reckon all our bodily functions like burping vomit pooh and wee were all made taboo by religion .
i reckon if two human babys were placed on a island together, with no outside influence , they would grow up not caring about nudity or other bodily functions modern humans feel so ashamed of, you only have to look at some remote tribes in the world who use there own feaces to bulid houses etc . .
oh and heinz get over me n oliver , we have a love hate relationship .

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

This brings up a question that, not being a history buff, I can't answer. When did humans begin the practice of covering their nudity? Did it predate major religion? Was there any religious aspect to the development? I suspect the reasons were based in practicality rather than religious doctrine.




This is a good question, and it confines the conversation to shame of nudity, which excludes pragmatic aversion and simple innocence. There are many reason to want to avoid being nude, but only a few reason behind finding nudity shameful. You should have asked this question in the original post. Not only does it avoid time wasting conflict by clarifying your position, it causes people to stop and think. Being an effective atheist means presenting your criticisms as challenges rather than ridicule.

I think the biggest reason any of us feel ashamed of our bodies would be from our ideas of beauty and attraction. We have all encountered people who look good at first but seem to become less attractive as they shed clothing. Like covering a scar, we want to present our best features and hide our worst. There are also those who know they look good and are embarrassed to flaunt it. Just as someone can be oddly modest about their musical skills or athletic abilities, a person can be uncomfortable with admiration of their body.

The other reason people might feel shame is because they have been explicitly taught. This can and often does come from sexual or psychological abuse. Being constantly told you are ugly as a child, or having your body used against your will, can teach you that sex and our bodies are a despicable thing. This is very similar to what religion does, and by any standard the two should be equally deplorable.

Now I would like to ask you, how is it that religious teaching can be compared to child abuse, as I have just done? I left out what makes religion similar. Can you explain the rationale behind this comparison?[/QUOT
of course i can , but i have no interest in entering conversation or ridle solving with you , just to stroke your online ego .

 

[olylifter420]

wow, you take the breath right out of me man, how do you do it?

..........to be so stupid?


dude, what made you become a so called atheist? with what you have shown on here, you clearly do not and probably have not ever studied evolution or anthropology or paleontology.. if you would have ,you would not come up with such stupid questions. I would explain it to you but i see that you are quite the stupid type that will not understand anything of value placed in front of you. I will let your small simpleton mind ponder what i just said so maybe, just maybe some curiosity will spark within your brain and go do your own fucking research....


[video=youtube;0_DgAy1jBJ8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_DgAy1jBJ8[/video]

'The reasons we dress and appreciate clothes are as different as the clothes we wear, and religious incited shame is only one small factor that is mostly confined to those who are religious. Is it inexcusable that religion places such sexual constraints and connotations on it's followers'
well i disagree , i believe a few hundred years ago religious instruction is all that there was , i dont believe anything else had such a strong influence on human life than religion .i cant actually think of any other reason ?why is it it you think we develepoded shame about nudity ?
do you think there was many athiests a few hundred years ago ?
i dont believe neandethal man had any shame of flashing his bits to the rest of the village ?

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

take your broke ass home ..................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0SyUgw98tE&ob=av2e

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

lmao @ using fictional holywood films as a basis for argument ................that sentance sums you up dude .