Expensive seeds

loquacious

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I have been looking for some new strains to grow and have noticed some seed companies charging 5-10 times what most seed companies charge for their seeds. What I was wondering is, do they have 10 times the THC content? 10 times the CBD content? 10 times the weight? I mean honestly, what makes them so much better that they deserve the very large prices they seek? I've grown TGA, Dinafem, DNA, G13, Nirvana, Emerald Triangle, Reserva Privada, and TH Seeds all with great ease and they were all great smokes. So, for the people who have grown really expensive seeds, are they really worth that much more?
 

laced23z

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hey noob the thing that seperates cheap seeds and expensive seeds are the stability that the seeds carry they are more uniform and stable threw out all the seeds. no thc or cbd difference and uve grown th seeds ? and they were cheap? my exp they are not really that bigg of a diff most of the seeds that have a hefty price are from overseas and have won cannabis cups which play favortism
 

loquacious

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hey noob the thing that seperates cheap seeds and expensive seeds are the stability that the seeds carry they are more uniform threw all the seeds no thc or cbd difference and uve grown th seeds ? and they were cheap? my exp they are not really that bigg of a diff most of the seeds that have a hefty price are from overseas and have won cannabis cups which play favortism
So, after personal messages you now feel the need to troll my threads? Your ignorance is more apparent with each post you do.
 

Airwave

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I have been looking for some new strains to grow and have noticed some seed companies charging 5-10 times what most seed companies charge for their seeds. What I was wondering is, do they have 10 times the THC content? 10 times the CBD content? 10 times the weight? I mean honestly, what makes them so much better that they deserve the very large prices they seek? I've grown TGA, Dinafem, DNA, G13, Nirvana, Emerald Triangle, Reserva Privada, and TH Seeds all with great ease and they were all great smokes. So, for the people who have grown really expensive seeds, are they really worth that much more?

Sometimes the breeders pay tens of thousands of pounds for a specific clone that they can use. They try to get their money back by selling the seeds at a high price.
Some people think they can charge a lot because they have such a good reputation as a breeder.
Some people are just amateur breeders trying to rip people off.
 

loquacious

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Sometimes the breeders pay tens of thousands of pounds for a specific clone that they can use. They try to get their money back by selling the seeds at a high price.
Some people think they can charge a lot because they have such a good reputation as a breeder.
Some people are just amateur breeders trying to rip people off.
It's real tempting as I was looking at Doggies Nut's but, I don't see any real benefit to buying them. I've never had hermies or seeds that didn't pop, so I started this thread in hoping that someone could really put forth some good reasons as to why they are a good purchase.
 

Airwave

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It's real tempting as I was looking at Doggies Nut's but, I don't see any real benefit to buying them. I've never had hermies or seeds that didn't pop, so I started this thread in hoping that someone could really put forth some good reasons as to why they are a good purchase.
Just like with most things you can purchase - it's all about reputation.

Doggies Nut's doesn't have a good reputation.
 

ink the world

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you pay for the name. nothing else.
Gotta agree, the OP mentioned some breeders like TGA that are top notch IMHO.

Doggies Nuts is way too expensive IMHO. is the quality really gonna be that much better than say TGA's stuff? Dont think so.
At that price, the plants better harvest themselves and then hop into my bong and light itself.
 

boneheadbob

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In some cases the higher prices may be worth it. In most cases I say they are not.

Sannies sells beans from himself and 4 or 5 other breeders. They sell dank, all types of dank.
10 beans are usually 31.00. Some go as high as 45 but theres only one, maybe two.

They have a forum where the breeders answer all your questions.
Shipping and handling is cheap, free if you spend 100 bucks.
Plus you get your pick of killer freebies and I mean killer.
 

trigger339

Active Member
My two cents... I have money I am going to spend for nutes, electricity, lights and so on. I really don't want to end up with next to nothing or something I can not smoke. I am not saying you may not luck out and buy cheap seeds and it all turns out great but in my experience that does not happen often. I have growen bagseed that was the best, but most of the time there is some kind of trouble that takes away from the grow. I like to get all I can out of my setup there are many problem you encounter growing knowing your seeds are not one of them is a good thing for me. After saying that once you start paying crazy amounts it about how rare it is the tastes different and many many other reasons.
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Gotta agree, the OP mentioned some breeders like TGA that are top notch IMHO.

Doggies Nuts is way too expensive IMHO. is the quality really gonna be that much better than say TGA's stuff? Dont think so.
At that price, the plants better harvest themselves and then hop into my bong and light itself.
I'd think if my strains harvested and smoked themselves they would cost less? LOL

Oh yeah your monkey keep winking at me, sorta creepy!
 

2layz2p

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I think doggie nuts should be called "ur nuts"... think about it, this breeder sits back and for every one sucker he reals in, some other company's have to sell to 10 time that.

My guess is, they want you to think...key work, "think" you are getting what you paid for.

The way I see it, this breeder may have some old ass beans... as not to many of us can afford them so they sit...

I have seen people grow them on a site and they never did finish the tutorial, Hummmm ?

Truly, if someone offered me "female brand" seeds, or KC over doogie nuts, I would take them, why? because they always POP! and they have great genetics, with a fantastic price.

You think dinafem, female, TH seeds give there beans as UFO's because they worry they wont crack? nope, they sell so many they know there fresh!

why don't we see doggie nuts on pick and mix??? because they want to sucker you into a pack, not just one bean! sure many of us may have tried them for $50-$100 a bean?? but would we say "yea" I need to buy a pack of them for $1.000.00+..... probably not.... marketing! save ur money.
 

Jogro

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In marketing, there is something called "The Smirnoff effect" (after the vodka of the same name).

Its basically that people are often willing to pay more for something, just because the asking price is higher, and they assume that they're getting a better product, even if it isn't really true.

The same principle, obviously holds true for things other than vodka.

I've never tried anything from "Doggie's nuts" but I'm still reasonably confident that:

a. They're seeds aren't a million times better than any of the top lines from any number of well-established breeders with strong reputations dating back 10-15 years.
b. They're seeds probably aren't ANY better than a bunch of well known "name" strains, and
c. Something akin to the "Smirnoff" effect is probably at play here.

Anyway, to answer the question, like everything else, seeds are priced based on what the market can bear. Like in any competitive industry, different companies with different products are trying to capture different segments of the market, in part based on pricing. In the seed market, I think there is probably a ROUGH correlation between price and seed quality, though I'm certain its not absolute.

In some cases, breeders can charge top prices for their seeds, because their seeds really are the best possible seeds, meaning high viability seeds leading to high potency, stable strains of excellent quality. In this case, you pay more, you get more.

In some cases, breeders can charge more based on their reputation. For example, some of the breeders who have developed famous or award-winning strains can legitimately charge more for them than the average seedbank or breeder, because they're putting their "brand" on the seeds. Generally these are top-notch lines, though I think there are also a few seed houses out there that are trading on old reputations that may be out of date. IE, they charge a lot for lines that may not be entirely worth the extra cost.

In some cases, individual seeds just cost more to produce. Specifically, if the strain in question is one that takes extra time to flower (say 12 weeks instead of 8) and has lower than normal yield, then it takes that much more work and energy just to create each seed. Some of the potent Sativa-heavy strains are like this. For example, I believe this is one reason, why the "Jack Herer" strain-type seeds almost always cost more. Its not *just* that the product is so good, but also that it really does cost more to make the seeds themselves.

In some cases, the "Smirnoff effect" may be at play.

Lastly, on "cannabis cup" and other such awards, its been widely alleged that the High Times cups are rigged. I don't know for sure if that's true (though my guess is, yeah, probably), but even assuming there is "fair" judging going on, at least to a large extent the "winners" are subjective. Its also true that lots of breeders don't enter the cups for a variety of reasons, and lots of truly excellent strains never really compete. Ultimately, these "cups" are basically marketing gimmicks to sell seeds (and seedbanks).
 

Jogro

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I think doggie nuts should be called "ur nuts"... think about it, this breeder sits back and for every one sucker he reals in, some other company's have to sell to 10 time that.

My guess is, they want you to think...key work, "think" you are getting what you paid for.

The way I see it, this breeder may have some old ass beans... as not to many of us can afford them so they sit...

I have seen people grow them on a site and they never did finish the tutorial, Hummmm ?

Truly, if someone offered me "female brand" seeds, or KC over doogie nuts, I would take them, why? because they always POP! and they have great genetics, with a fantastic price.

You think dinafem, female, TH seeds give there beans as UFO's because they worry they wont crack? nope, they sell so many they know there fresh!

why don't we see doggie nuts on pick and mix??? because they want to sucker you into a pack, not just one bean! sure many of us may have tried them for $50-$100 a bean?? but would we say "yea" I need to buy a pack of them for $1.000.00+..... probably not.... marketing! save ur money.
I agree with all of that.

Ultimately, you can't cheat the free market.

First of all, the seed market is highly unscrupulous. If "Doggie's nuts" seeds really WERE head and "nuts" above everything else that was out there, you'd have low-life breeders buying their seeds, ripping off the strains, and selling them as their own, only much cheaper. The genetics would get spread around pretty fast, and pretty soon, "Doggie's nuts" would NOT be the only ones with their killer genetics. That's what happened with the true "breakthrough" strains like Northern lights, White Widow, Big Bud, Blueberry, etc. Everyone either stole those and sold them as their own version, or used those as a basis for their own crosses.

In fact, if you look at Doggie's nuts seed lineup, at least half of THEIR strains are just their own versions or crosses of these old standbys! So its really not clear to me why you should spend more money on DN's version of "White widow" or "Big Bud" than you could buying that exact same "name" strain directly from the original strain breeder/inventor.

Next, if Doggie's nuts strains were REALLY the best they'd have developed a strong reputation based on that already, and I simply don't think its true.

I've heard all kinds of smack talked about all kinds of strains, including some pretty serious commentary by some pretty serious growers and smokers, who have tried all sorts of stuff. But I have yet to find anyone claiming that the DN proprietary strains are head and shoulders above all the other "name" strains. In fact, I have yet to find anyone claiming that DN strains are even great in their own right. Maybe that's true, and maybe their stuff actually is pretty good, but since it seems clear that they're basically working with the same genetics as everyone else, and since they haven't developed a killer reputation, I have no reason to think that this company has some magic beans that are better than the stuff that the best name breeders have been putting out for a long time.

Lastly, in true free markets where you can buy any strain you like, the cost of the strain will be roughly proportionate to its quality, supply and demand (in part related to yield and other factors). This is essentially true right now at the California and other legal dispensaries. If you look at the top priced strains there, most of them are OG/Kush variants, including headband, diesel variants, etc. If you go through the long lists of high-priced strains, you'll also find a lot of other "name" strains like AK-47, Blueberry, Herijuana, Jack Herer, Purples, and others. I don't think the Doggie's nuts are even up there at all. If their strains are so great, why not?
 

Sunbiz1

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There is no reason anyone should be paying more than 10 buck/seed including shipping max.

Anything higher is a result of pure greed, breeders make much more $$ than most growers to begin with.
 

Sunbiz1

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I agree with all of that.

Ultimately, you can't cheat the free market.

First of all, the seed market is highly unscrupulous. If "Doggie's nuts" seeds really WERE head and "nuts" above everything else that was out there, you'd have low-life breeders buying their seeds, ripping off the strains, and selling them as their own, only much cheaper. The genetics would get spread around pretty fast, and pretty soon, "Doggie's nuts" would NOT be the only ones with their killer genetics. That's what happened with the true "breakthrough" strains like Northern lights, White Widow, Big Bud, Blueberry, etc. Everyone either stole those and sold them as their own version, or used those as a basis for their own crosses.

In fact, if you look at Doggie's nuts seed lineup, at least half of THEIR strains are just their own versions or crosses of these old standbys! So its really not clear to me why you should spend more money on DN's version of "White widow" or "Big Bud" than you could buying that exact same "name" strain directly from the original strain breeder/inventor.

Next, if Doggie's nuts strains were REALLY the best they'd have developed a strong reputation based on that already, and I simply don't think its true.

I've heard all kinds of smack talked about all kinds of strains, including some pretty serious commentary by some pretty serious growers and smokers, who have tried all sorts of stuff. But I have yet to find anyone claiming that the DN proprietary strains are head and shoulders above all the other "name" strains. In fact, I have yet to find anyone claiming that DN strains are even great in their own right. Maybe that's true, and maybe their stuff actually is pretty good, but since it seems clear that they're basically working with the same genetics as everyone else, and since they haven't developed a killer reputation, I have no reason to think that this company has some magic beans that are better than the stuff that the best name breeders have been putting out for a long time.

Lastly, in true free markets where you can buy any strain you like, the cost of the strain will be roughly proportionate to its quality, supply and demand (in part related to yield and other factors). This is essentially true right now at the California and other legal dispensaries. If you look at the top priced strains there, most of them are OG/Kush variants, including headband, diesel variants, etc. If you go through the long lists of high-priced strains, you'll also find a lot of other "name" strains like AK-47, Blueberry, Herijuana, Jack Herer, Purples, and others. I don't think the Doggie's nuts are even up there at all. If their strains are so great, why not?
I have some Sannie herijuana vegging currently...I'll bet if I were to put whatever this doggie nuts has up against it there would little difference upon harvest.
 

VanishingToaster

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another factor has to be the age of the strain, surely a hypothetical brand new super strain will command a higher price?

sure i seen some banana strawberry pineapple blueberry strain where the grower claimed u can taste them all like a fruit salad. £249.99 for 3 or something stupid.

for stable genetics i'd of thought you'd want sensi strains, maybe i'm falling victim to sensi marketing here tho, can't say i've ever grown anything of theirs.
 

Sunbiz1

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another factor has to be the age of the strain, surely a hypothetical brand new super strain will command a higher price?

sure i seen some banana strawberry pineapple blueberry strain where the grower claimed u can taste them all like a fruit salad. £249.99 for 3 or something stupid.

for stable genetics i'd of thought you'd want sensi strains, maybe i'm falling victim to sensi marketing here tho, can't say i've ever grown anything of theirs.
I have some original Black African seeds obtained during a very rare visit, after a harrowing experience in Somalia dealing with native tribes still at war.

Those seeds would command top dollar, actually they don't even exist...a lost strain.

A male plants produces hundreds of seeds, and even a hermaphrodite gives at least 3 or 4 hundred seeds.
 
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