Cinderella 88 goes Commercial ?????
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thump easy
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have u guys ever grew the cenderella 88 x master?
Guile
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That statement wasn't aimed solely and exclusively at anyone in particular (let alone you) I've been a member of a couple/few of these sites and the pattern has become pretty predictable at this point . Though I admittedly I was a little put off by your nit-picking over the wording I had used when I asked your advice earlier..
Think about it for a moment:
I came out and stated that I valued your opinion (enough to ask of it)
Your response was essentially: You're so damn ignorant that the only response I have to offer is pointing it out (to you an everyone else)
Mind you all over my lack of a suffix such as "ish" "like" or "esque" (or anything else that would imply "similar") when referring to the quality's I would like to find in a strain... Reminds me of those people will that argue that the thumb is not a finger (pointless/unproductive at best).
If its important to you to split hairs like that perhaps you can point it out while offering something valuable to cut the taste of it..
For instance "though not a "pure" Sativa "X" might suit criteria" or "in my experience "pure" sativas generally require 12-16 weeks (or more) flowering time, though some hybrids like "z" would seem to fit the criteria you posed" see in either case there is something of value being offered (not just feeding a superiority trip). The following post that I remarked on seemed to be of a similar nature so I commented on it... Your post was:
"You didn't get that from a source that stands to make money by chance?
At that point I was reinforcing your your perspective on being critical of advertisements with my opening statement "Isn't that really the thing that brings us here (the majority of us anyway) the pursuit of truth rather than propaganda?"
Just pointing out at the same time that there was nothing useful to be drawn from your remark, only condescension.
Do you really think this guy (or anyone else) is so gullible as to believe every sales pitch thrown their way (If not, what purpose did your question serve other than to imply it)?
Obviously if that's your guys "thing" I don't want to interfere, but its not my thing and you have talked down to me in a similar fashion (being nothing more than critical). Now I don't take issue with constructive criticism (I've been known to hand it out) the key element being the constructive part. You seem to lacking in this at times.
Uncle Ben
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yes .
Guile
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In that case I guess you could apply the "better safe than sorry" rule to it (you must have realy low expectations of people), but it can come off a bit harsh... Especially if there isn't anything productive attached to it...
What I mean to say is if you are going to insult someones intelligence at least offer a reason for it...
Uncle Ben
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Look son, enough of the preaching. I was growing pot and breeding while you was still messin' in your britches. After about 20,000 posts in at least 8 different forums I've been a member of, a distinct pattern becomes quite clear - 90% of the folks will believe everything some snake oil or seedbank salesman tells them. I've seen the gimmicks and "advanced techniques" re-invented a thousand times. In the end, the only thing that matters is an understanding of plant culture, especially plant nutrition.
Brick Top
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You didn't get that from a source that stands to make money by chance?
I found it here: http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Bambata/Tiki_Seedbank/
Or more accurately here: http://en.seedfinder.eu/ and then I had remembered seeing a short flowering sativa in the 'B' section so I went there and that's where I found it.
It's a strain database, not a seedbank or a breeder, they do not sell anything from the site ... but then I am sure for the descriptions given they do use breeder information. That is I said; "How reliable it is I cannot swear" about the information given. But as I did go on to say I have heard of 4 or 6 different strains that are claimed to be 100% sativa that do have a flowering period time of roughly what the other person mentioned.
I would say such sativa strains are extremely rare, but not nonexistent. If you consider the number of strains that were either grown and exported/imported decades ago and all those that modern era breeders laid their hands on to then work with it might seem like a lot, but my bet would be compared to the total number of different strains in nature, it's a somewhat small percentage of them. So I doubt that anyone has had experience with most strains in the world, let alone all of them, so who knows what does, or did, exist that might be radically different from anything that we now know?
Then it might be that strains like the one I posted information on never became known about because they aren't very good so no fame of them spread to the point where some breeder would attempt to search for them, find them and use them.
This is a little info on the site I found the strain at ... and where I believe at least several other all sativa strains, or at least claimed to be, with roughly the same length flowering period can also be found.
[h=1]Database[/h] Behind the SeedFinder there is a strain-database with momentary 3300 different cannabis varieties.
[h=2]Breeder & Strains[/h] 2971 of the listed strains are from 195 known breeders - connected and expanded with 77 pure local breeds. You also can find 63 clone-only strains and last but not least 189 various unknown or legendary varieties.
[h=2]Lineage / Hybrids[/h] Our unique genetic-database will enable you to allocate related crosses, all descendants and the parents of each variety. Browse through the strains with our dynamic HybridMaps - from the multi-hybrids via F1-Hybrids up to the landraces - and back!
I Googled the breeder name and this site sells them http://www.dope-seeds.com/tiki_seeds.htm ... I have no idea if that seedbank is legit or a ripoff seedbank but there likely is others that handle them too. I just didn't go past the first site that sold them to see if they were still for sale or not before posting the information. I figured if it was a strain that the breeder no longer offered or the breeder was no longer in business, while it might be interesting to read about, it wouldn't be of any help to someone looking for such a strain.
Guile
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And there is probibly all the reason in the world for you to talk to people the way you do... but I don't know them yet, I missed out on the 20,000 earlier posts (so you might need to repeat some stuff for me). I'm not disrespecting you man (I know I have given you some likes on here)..
I'v asked your advice (shown you that I respect it)... Reciprocate... Offer something productive so I can learn from you too... otherwise you just come off condescendingly...
Dude, don't get all bent out of shape... If you didn't want peoples opinions on what you have to say you would just write a book instead (so you didn't have to hear about it).
Highlanders cave
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Hey Flo Grow what's going on. Trying to get your thread back on track brother, it's a good one but starting to get ruined by Ben and Guile. What the fuck you two...ya don't ruin a dudes thread like that, take it elsewhere.
I'm on board for this one FG, I have 10 of the dizzholes f4 pineapple pheno in veg right now and I like to follow this thread but not with those two having their little catfight.
Talk ya hopfully ; !)
I'm on board for this one FG, I have 10 of the dizzholes f4 pineapple pheno in veg right now and I like to follow this thread but not with those two having their little catfight.
Talk ya hopfully ; !)
Brick Top
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I am not so sure that what many breeders have sold and do sell as pure Durban Poison is in fact the Real McCoy. Afropips had the best, and likely the most pure, African strain genetics to be found and their Durban Poison has a 90 to 120 day flowering period.
All the other Durban Poison strains I know of run in the 60 to 70 day range. That pretty much tells you there is some genetic difference between the 60 to 70 day range Durban Poison strains and Afropips 90 to 120 day Durban Poison.
Something either greatly shortened what most breeders sell as being Durban Poison or greatly lengthened what Afropips sold as being Durban Poison.
Uncle Ben
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I did an edit on a previous post after finding a UK seedbank database on that strain. It WAS hyped by a seedbank, a seller, and much to your credit, you did apply a disclaimer which I pointed out in that post too. It's on the previous page BT. Thanks for the info........
Uncle Ben
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And then there is the Early Durban which has indica. TFD offer.
Problem with all of this seed stuff is NO ONE knows what genes are in them. EVERY seed sale is based on blind faith, what someone writes. If I buy a Burr Oak, Hass avocado tree, Moro blood orange tree, Red Maple tree, Redskin peach tree, Grenache grapevine, jalapeno pepper plant....... I know exactly what I'm getting. You don't with cannabis. Being that it's illegal to possess and grow pot in most countries, it's open season for the con men as they hit on their customers.
UB
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Originally Posted by Guile
Isn't that really the thing that brings us here (the majority of us anyway) the pursuit of truth rather than propaganda?
Sadly even these venues are often dominated by relatively few prolifically opinionated individuals that find it necessary to condescend in order to feed their narcissistic egos.
Its a little disappointing that someone can pose a question or speculation (in an advanced cultivation forum none the less) and be harshly met with the same tired "conventional wisdom" that has been blindly regurgitated (and asserted as fact, likely by people that have never challenged it themselves) so many times that barely deserves mentioning anyway..
Anyone notice that we are often at a conspicuous lack of statements like "In my personal experience" "from my research" "I'd speculate based on" or anything else that would indicate either intelligence or first hand understandings...
Why don't we productively work together to advance current understandings, both on the individual level and as a community on the whole? (rather than being unproductively critical).
What Uncle Ben said was 100% accurate, he is no bullshitter, he has an amount of experience that few growers in the world can match, let along top, he has more factual plant knowledge than anyone I have ever run across on any grow site.
He, like anyone, can unintentionally be wrong if there is something he never had experience with that turns out different than something he said and was fully confident he was accurate about, but that is a highly uncommon occurrence with Uncle Ben. All that he doesn't know could rest on the tip of a pin and have room left over.
And like anyone who reads, at times a word or line just won't sink in. But if Uncle Ben says something, almost 100% of the time you can take it to the bank. Of the very few extremely rare times he is not correct, it is always a case of a simple error and not a lack of knowledge. Thinking one thing but unintentionally typing something else. Like how in a message in this thread he accidentally wrote something along the lines of how real sativas take more like 14 months to flower when in his head he was thinking more like 14 weeks ... and then when he realized his honest error, he edited it out.
The guy is honest, flat out honest, and when it comes to growing knowledge/information he's damn near flawless. If something stumped me and all my normal ways of researching failed me, Uncle Ben is only person I would ask advice from. The only one.
People should be more grateful for and open to his knowledge and honestly rather than doubt and question him.
I am sure that George Van Patten (AKA Jorge Cervantes) was grateful to Uncle Ben when Uncle Ben spotted an error in one of George's books so it could be corrected.
While Greenman might not remember Uncle Ben's username I am sure that he remembers 'the guy' that taught him so much before he became the famous Greenman and is grateful to 'the guy' who took the time to tell him the way things really are rather than feeding him all the myths and urban legends and misconceptions and personal opinions and old hippie folklore that sadly so many pass on to others on sites like this under the guise of being facts.
And his pointing out my disclaimer about the strain I posted info on was the right thing to do. I never grew the strain, nor any of the other maybe 5 or 6 claimed to be 100% sativa strains that I have read about having short flowering times so I am unable to swear to the accuracy of the breeder claims.
There are fewer honest breeders than there are dishonest breeders, and the dishonest ones will tell you what you want to hear rather than telling you the truth because telling the truth would mean their income would drop.
It is just like all the snake oil additives/nutrients/boosters and multi-formula 'you need them all' liquid fertilizer manufacturers. They tell you what you want to hear, and do it in a way that gets you to believe you need more and more of their various products, so you will give them more and more of your money.
To many people here doubt and question the wrong people. They fall for every snake oil salesman's pitch and every outlandish miracle product claim and every laughable piece of myth, urban legend, misconception, personal opinion and old hippie folklore that is regurgitated virtually daily here, but when someone accurately says that's baloney or that snake oil stuff is crap and isn't worth the price of what they charge you for shipping, well, they're always doubted and questioned and seen as being wrong.
Maybe what Uncle Ben needs so some of you will just simply believe him and accept what he says as being factual is to do like the snake oil salesmen do, pay some high dollar marketing agency to come up with a marketing plan to build and strengthen his image. Maybe then the Beavis and Buttheads here in Romper Room would believe him.
Brick Top
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And of course I responded to your message before seeing your edit so I wasted my time typing it and your time reading it.
What you said about hype is somewhat like what you may have noticed me say in a previous message of mine in this thread about the flowering time for Durban Poison. Afropips had the best African genetics around and their Durban Poison is a 90 to 120 day strain, and on SeedFinder it's claimed to be a 105 day strain. Decades ago when I lived outside of Hope Arkansas (for those who do not know, the Southwest corner of Arkansas) I tried growing Durban Poison, from bagseed, and I ran out of weather before it finished. I do not believe the claims of the breeders who say 60 to 70 days about their Durban Poison. To me they are either fibbing about the number of days, or more likely, that they are fibbing when they claim what they are selling is true pure Durban Poison.
Possibly what some did was cross it with a sativa with the shortest flowering time they had in their breeding stable or could get their hands on and then took the fastest flowering phenotypes and bred them together and kept doing that until they got the flowering time down to 60 to 70 days, but still call it Durban Poison.
Guile
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I withdraw.. it went on long enough... atleast in here anyway (if anyone want's to peruse it further feel free to drop me a PM I'll answer to you the best I can)
Flo Grow:
What set the stage for this venture? (how/why did you personally get there?)
What are the particular traits that you focus on for genetic selection?
Flo Grow:
What set the stage for this venture? (how/why did you personally get there?)
What are the particular traits that you focus on for genetic selection?
Flo Grow
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Appreciate you time Highlander, and Thank You !
How I got here was simply being gifted these seeds.
Why I got here was because I no longer wanted to sit on something as rare as them.
Since I've never grown C88, I won't/don't know what to look for and will just have to select according to what I like and what I "think" others may like.
Beyond that, I have no set plans or any plans on how and what will take place after it's all said and done.
I could very well say fuck the public and trying to get into a seed bank so that many others can sample her.
Point blank, I have a PharmD and make a very comfortable 6-figure salary and therefore dont' NEED such an venture.
So with that I say, in the end it could turn out to be nothing more than a couple of individuals receiving some C88 gifts to play with.
I made and started this thread to gauge how receptive ppl would be if C88 went mainstream.
And yet even a "veteran" like UB and ALL his forum post and grow experience, still ended up becoming a troll !
But he's human.
Years of others dick riding his every word has clearly twisted his ego, as to be expected because again.....he's human.
I.E., like he invented topping for 2 or 4 colas ! lmfao
He apparently thinks HE painted the yellow lines on the grow road we are travelling.
Meaning, he's been there and done it all, grown it all and therefore knows it all.
That's when ppl like him crash and burn eventually.
Now that that's out the way, ya'll have fun.
I'm done here.
Feel free to swing by the C88 grow in the DWC section as it unfolds.
Boring seedling stage ATM, but should be better and more productive once I transplant them into the large coolers in about 2 weeks.
Stay up and stay safe !
Dizzle Frost
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whats good bro?
the Apollo came down tonight....house stinks like lemon jolly ranchers haha
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What i know about P88 is it was less stable and produced more phenotypes and was hazey as fuck
thisis Souls words about her
You know that shit is bomb if it fucked Souls day up LOL
the Apollo came down tonight....house stinks like lemon jolly ranchers haha
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What i know about P88 is it was less stable and produced more phenotypes and was hazey as fuck
thisis Souls words about her
You know that shit is bomb if it fucked Souls day up LOL
thump easy
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wow thats all good who ever made cenerella 88 i got a cut n its x with master im push that one out thank u i hear she will take good care of me..... 
Dizzle Frost
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Its was made by Bros Grimm thump....yurs is Xed with Master Kush? sounds pretty goodwow thats all good who ever made cenerella 88 i got a cut n its x with master im push that one out thank u i hear she will take good care of me.....
Flo Grow
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Nice bruh !
Can't wait to grow some. lol
Always wanted some A11 x C99 !
I drop that same quote in my C88 grow the other day. lmao
Shit makes me laugh at his ass every time I read it !
As does this quote from him about C99 :
The high is almost too intense for a lot of people; Dr. Atomic actually refused to smoke any on our second meeting, after getting rather “hazed and confused” on the first sampling we did together a couple of weeks before, so he decided to try Shiva Skunk and found that more mellow and to his liking.