Marijuana, Our sperm, and the Future of the world :)

[Finshaggy]

I guess you gentlemen will have to refrain from consuming MJ for the sake of mankind and leave it to us women.

What???

Killing off the "Non-weedy" sperm is GOOD


THAT'S probably why no one can OD.
Sperm that die (in human form), already did Generations ago.

 

[Finshaggy]

If I smoke weed it will not affect the ability for my potential son to handle it any better in anyway shape of form. It's not a trait with an ability to get passed on. It's not recessive OR dominant, like hair line, or height, alcoholism, etc. Tolerance is not a trait that gets passed on. If you smoke your tolerance goes up and sperm count goes down. Stop smoking and your sperm count goes up. It's only directly related to useage, not genetics. Biology does not work that easy. But you are on the right road with selective breeding. But you cannot affect the dominant or recessive traits by smoking more or less.

Tolerance is not even a trait found in genetics, it more like a variable affected directly by using the given stimuli.

But if I spend my entire life in the freezing tundra, my genetics will pass down something to help my son survive the tundra(If I so happen to have some traits that got more developed, due to cold. Fat, etc).

Same with a heavy weed smoker

 

[guy incognito]

What???

Killing off the "Non-weedy" sperm is GOOD


THAT'S probably why no one can OD.
Sperm that die (in human form), already did Generations ago.

Genetics do not work that way!

[video=youtube;ZQg8JKo_3ZQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQg8JKo_3ZQ[/video]

 

[Finshaggy]

AND that kid could mutate to have his OWN weed traits.

Just like some rabbits mutated white, and now those rabbits get to survive winter.

He could mutate, and have better things than me

 

[Finshaggy]

Genetics do not work that way!

I'm not talking about genetics.

I'm talking about which sperm gets to make it to the egg.

Which LATER becomes genetics

 

[cannabineer]

For some reason, marijuana+Internet attracts people with a penchant for a belief in Lamarckian heredity. cn

 

[Finshaggy]

And genetics DOES work like that.


If my dad smoked weed the day before I was conceived, then ONLY the stoner (SURVIVING) sperm made it.

That means MY nutsack, PROBABLY got better at handling weed, so that it can WORK THROUGH THE PROBLEMS OF PAST GENERATIONS.


That IS how genetics work

 

[Finshaggy]

For some reason, marijuana+Internet attracts people with a penchant for a belief in Lamarckian heredity. cn

What is that?

 

[cannabineer]

The practice effect, in a few words ... the idea that if we spend a lot of time doing something it "conditions" us, and some of that "conditioning" is passed on to the next generation(s). cn

 

[PeyoteReligion]

AND that kid could mutate to have his OWN weed traits.

Just like some rabbits mutated white, and now those rabbits get to survive winter.

He could mutate, and have better things than me

No no he can't. Genetics do not work that way friend. Mutations occur over very long periods of time, and ONLY to help preserve to species and make life susstainable under any given situation. Ie it's cold and we are dying, so we would grow more hairy bodies to help survive over many generations. Now, smoking cannabis is not a manditory part of survival, in fact has nothing to do with survival at all. Therefore in lamens terms, we don't NEED to Have high tolerances in order to live, so we WON'T make the evolution. In science and nature those evolutions only occurred to help the species live. Not to get high. And over hundreds of generations no from parent to child.

 

[Finshaggy]

The practice effect, in a few words ... the idea that if we spend a lot of time doing something it "conditions" us, and some of that "conditioning" is passed on to the next generation(s). cn

That is true to an extent.

If my body has to constantly react to cold, or gun fire, or extreme heat. My body is going to pass something good down from my genetics (even if it's recessive) to help the next generation. Or that generation may mutate on it's own...


Think about this:
White people-Cold regions, not a lot of sun light, lots of snow.
Brown/Black people-HOT regions, extreme sunlight.


THEY passed down PIGMENT.
WE didn't.


Because of the environment.

 

[Finshaggy]

No no he can't. Genetics do not work that way friend. Mutations occur over very long periods of time, and ONLY to help preserve to species and make life susstainable under any given mutilation. Ie it's cold and we are dying, so we would grow made hair to help survive over many generations. Now, smoking cannabis is not a manditory part of survival, in fact has nothing to do with survival at all. Therefore in lamens terms, we don't NEED to Have high tolerances in order to live, so we WON'T make the evolution. In science and nature those evolutions only occurred to help the species live. Not to get high.

"Genetics" don't work that way.

But "Mutations" work that way.

And then "Mutations" pass down "Genetics"

 

[Finshaggy]

And I have guns in my face all the time just because of my favorite flower.

This mutation could DEFINITELY be for survival, and still be weed related.

 

[PeyoteReligion]

So people have been getting shot with guns for generations now. Why haven't we mutated to become bullet proof shaggy?

 

[guy incognito]

That is true to an extent.

If my body has to constantly react to cold, or gun fire, or extreme heat. My body is going to pass something good down from my genetics (even if it's recessive) to help the next generation. Or that generation may mutate on it's own...


Think about this:
White people-Cold regions, not a lot of sun light, lots of snow.
Brown/Black people-HOT regions, extreme sunlight.


THEY passed down PIGMENT.
WE didn't.


Because of the environment.

No no no no no. If YOU were out in the cold, and YOU constantly had to battle the cold to survive, you would NOT pass down "cold surviving" genes any more than if you were in a hot climate. The survival of your offspring AFTER that fact would determine which genetics survived. If you had several children, and one just happened to tolerate cold better than the others, then that child would have a better chance of surviving cold weather. It would be purely chance which child was better able to survive the cold though. Multiple generations would eventually lead to a genetic pool better able to tolerate cold (assuming the cold was severe enough to kill some).

 

[Finshaggy]

So people have been getting shot with guns for generations now. Why haven't we mutated to become bullet proof shaggy?

Because we haven't been eating Kevlar, or spider webs

 

[Finshaggy]

No no no no no. If YOU were out in the cold, and YOU constantly had to battle the cold to survive, you would NOT pass down "cold surviving" genes any more than if you were in a hot climate. The survival of your offspring AFTER that fact would determine which genetics survived. If you had several children, and one just happened to tolerate cold better than the others, then that child would have a better chance of surviving cold weather. It would be purely chance which child was better able to survive the cold though. Multiple generations would eventually lead to a genetic pool better able to tolerate cold (assuming the cold was severe enough to kill some).

IF it is SOMEWHERE in MY genetics (and not being fully utilized by MY DNA) I WOULD pass down cold surviving genetics.

OR it could mutate into the child, even if I don't have it.

 

[Finshaggy]

So people have been getting shot with guns for generations now. Why haven't we mutated to become bullet proof shaggy?

And with Gunfire I didn't expand on it, but what I was saying is:
We would adapt to have faster reaction times, and maybe eyes that are better at seeing super fast things.

 

[guy incognito]

But the logical jump that living in a cold climate will activate your "cold" sperm is utter nonsense. Your genetics are your genetics. The various mechanisms you have to regulate your body temperature are going to be determined by your genes regardless of what climate you live in. Evolution does not actively and instantly happen. Living in a cold climate, if you have several offspring they will all have slight variations of your genetics (and the other parents). Their survival using their new genetics (all slightly different from yours, and their siblings) is what determines what dna is passed on (can't pass on dna if you die from cold before raising babies).

Do you really think if you and your wife lived in the desert that your children would have a different genetic make up than if you lived at the north pole?

 

[Finshaggy]

But the logical jump that living in a cold climate will activate your "cold" sperm is utter nonsense. Your genetics are your genetics. The various mechanisms you have to regulate your body temperature are going to be determined by your genes regardless of what climate you live in. Evolution does not actively and instantly happen. Living in a cold climate, if you have several offspring they will all have slight variations of your genetics (and the other parents). Their survival using their new genetics (all slightly different from yours, and their siblings) is what determines what dna is passed on (can't pass on dna if you die from cold before raising babies).

Do you really think if you and your wife lived in the desert that your children would have a different genetic make up than if you lived at the north pole?

It WOULD.

Just like wearing tight pants or underwear lowers sperm count, due to the heat.
If you were in the cold all the time, you would have some sperm that survived the cold, and some that wouldn't.

So if THOSE sperm, that just so happened to be more tolerant to the cold, make it to the egg. The baby SHOULD have a SLIGHT disposition for cold in it's eggs, or nutsack when it grows up.