pinksensa
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spooky crazy in a bad way??? lmao!!!wow, that main stalk looks spooky crazy. i'm gonna go rub 5 gallons on my apricot tree. lol
spooky crazy in a bad way??? lmao!!!wow, that main stalk looks spooky crazy. i'm gonna go rub 5 gallons on my apricot tree. lol
spooky crazy in a bad way??? lmao!!!
The growth rate of the plant that was fed root tone in its water has not slowed down one bit,the other plants from this strain which were put in 12/12 at the same time are ripening up fast with lots of red hairs, but this one just keeps fatening up,i checked my notes & these were put in 12/12 on 1-27-08, so their a little over 60 days in.
This is the pic posted earlier in the thread where i started to notice the explosive growth rate.
This pic was taken early this morning & shows the continued accelerated growth,the bud growth looks lumpy & abnormal when compared with the rest of the plants from the same strain that were not fed root tone.
The bud has gained allmost 3 inches in girth using a cloth tape & measuring around the outside of the circumference of the bud.
Thank you.looks like you owe me three inches of girth. wait a minute.......... lol
wow, very nice looking cola regardless of what you did to it.
Carcinogenic Effects
When administered to mice at the highest dose possible, thiram was not carcinogenic (1). Dietary levels as high as 125 mg/kg/day for two years did not cause tumors in rats (1). Thiram can react with nitrate under mildly acidic conditions, like those in the human stomach, to form n-nitroso-dimethylamine, which has been shown to be carcinogenic in test animals (8).
All of the EBDC pesticides can be degraded or metabolized into ethylenethiourea (ETU), which has been classified as a probable human carcinogen by the EPA (10, 11). Marked increases in the incidence of liver tumors were observed in mice fed 32.3 mg/kg of ETU daily for 80 weeks. Rats fed 8.75 or 17.5 mg/kg daily for 18 months developed malignant thyroid tumors. In rats fed ETU at doses of 0.1, 1.25, 6.25, 12.5 or 25 mg/kg/day for nearly 2 years, a dose related increase in thyroid tumors was observed at the 12.5 and 25 mg/kg doses. Female mice fed doses of 16.7 or 50 mg/kg/day ETU for up to 2 years exhibited 58 and 96% incidence of malignant liver tumors, respectively. In this same study, there was also a significant increase in the incidence of thyroid tumors at the 50 mg/kg dose level (10).
Organ Toxicity
Two independent studies have shown evidence of damage to the liver by thiram in the form of decreased enzyme activity and increased liver weight (1). Thiram may also cause damage to the nervous system, blood, liver and kidneys (8). Several studies of the effects of EBDCs on test animals have shown rapid reduction in the uptake of iodine and swelling of the thyroid (i.e. goiter). In one study, a marked reduction of iodine uptake was measured 24-hours after administration of a large dose of maneb, another EBDC fungicide. A 90-day study of the effects of ETU, a common metabolite of the EBDCs on rat thyroids revealed a NOEL of 5 ppm (0.25 mg/kg/day) (1, 3).
Fate in Humans and Animals
In the body, carbon disulfide is formed from thiram and contributes to the toxicity of thiram to the liver (1). The ethylene bisdithiocarbamates break down in mammalian tissues into ethylenethiourea, the metabolite which has caused goiter and cancer in laboratory animals (10, 9).
My thoughts ? confusion,i really dont know what to make of any of this yet,i think the real proof is going to come after we all harvest the seedlings & clones we treated,that way we've got a better idea.Whats your thoughts?
That's a beauty you've got there, Panhead. The buds are so packed they're practically dripping off the stalk! Which makes me feel awful to have to ask you this:
What's the brand on your Rootone? I have "Rootone" powder from GardenTech, it's active ingredients are listed as NAA and Thiram!
When I looked into it, the material data sheet does show that it contains IBA as well. The problem is, the material data sheet also makes clear that this stuff has hazardous health effects.
http://www.gardentech.com/images/98GT_13_Rootone.PDF
Thiram is a pesticide. The toxicology data sheet for it is a freak show.
Look at the subsections after "Chronic Toxicity."
Thiram
I wouldn't give this shit to your plants on an ongoing basis.
DO NOT FOLIAR FEED WITH IT, ESPECIALLY IN FLOWERING. You don't want to inhale it. I suggest you flush the shit out of your plant before harvest.
We need to find an IBA product that doesn't contain a pesticide. FDD, what are you using?
That seems safe. I don't see a pesticide in there, all the toxicity has to do with the gel the hormones are suspended in. The LD50s are waaay high.i'm using this.....View attachment 93765.............http://www.technaflora.com/sharedfiles/RootechDefaultEnglish(US)_MeOH_Prop.pdf
That seems safe. I don't see a pesticide in there, all the toxicity has to do with the gel the hormones are suspended in. The LD50s are waaay high.
It does say that the gel compounds are mildly corrosive when inhaled and can be a skin irritant, so I'd still flush well and if you've been applying it directly make sure there isn't any of the stuff on the buds/leaves at harvest time (or for that matter on plant matter you're going to have to handle during harvest/trimming.)
This may be an excess of caution, but that seems wiser than throwing it to the wind.
No,it was mixed into a think paste then remixed with water & fed to the plant durring its normal watering,its a soil grow.You didn't spray that shit on, did you Panhead?