LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

[UnderCurrentDWC]

(I ordered the UVL 454 w/ internal reflector but alas, they are on back order)

I was planning on vegging (as per pr0f's suggestion) with:
- 2x Fuji Purple
- UVL Super Actinic w/internal reflector
- ATI T5 12000K Aquablue Special
- UVL 75.25 w/internal reflector
-UVL 454

BUT I DONT HAVE THE 454 yet.
What would you guys recommend for my vegging configuration in light of this fact?

It's going to be a while before Aq has the 454 with I.R.'s, I'd have them send out ones without.

Those bulbs look great for veg!.. I would slip a red sun between some blue bulbs and call it good till you get the rest of your order.

 

[tehshyt]

Thanks for the reply. I actually already have the bulbs in my possession and I'll be getting this thing going very soon.

should I just say "fuck it" with the 454 and tell them to refund me for it? or does it seem like a worthwhile bulb to have in the long run?

 

[UnderCurrentDWC]

I would still like some feedback as far as veg goes i.e. light configuration that has worked for anyone imparticular.

420 Actinic+
Redsun
454
75.25
Fiji
Is what I've been using for veg and I'm very happy with it, because the t5 is not HID and doesn't penetrate as well I veg my plants to be wider than tall there for giving me great penetration up to 18" and keeping my internodes at less than an inch. Now after 2 months I transplant them into a HID flower room where there's up to 4X's the light.

Re: The 2 plants I flowered under the par light.
During flower I eliminated the 420nm+.... unfortunately I didn't catch the memo about taking the 75.25 out as well, The plants looked great & smelled great but never put on any good weight, however the tricrome development was very good under the t5! and the finished product smells and tastes better than the same strain under Hid light.
I think for flower the best is a combo of the 2, HID top light and T5 side light. HID giving you the penetration and ability to grow donks' and the T5's adding potency, flavor & smell.

Happy growing
Uc~

P.S. I will remind everyone that these bulbs are only rated for 10,000 hours

 

[UnderCurrentDWC]

Thanks for the reply. I actually already have the bulbs in my possession and I'll be getting this thing going very soon.

should I just say "fuck it" with the 454 and tell them to refund me for it? or does it seem like a worthwhile bulb to have in the long run?

I think the fiji produces some 454nm, but the graph for the 454 bulb is very impressive and worth while in my opinion... you have another blue bulb that I'm not familiar with you might be getting 454 from there!

 

[pedro420]

hyroot - i knno i dont want to get the vho bulbs ive been trying to find the ho bulbs but i cant seem to find redsun in ho

so for veg im thinging
2x fiji purpke
and just useing the grow t5 bulb

flowerin
2x fiji bulbs and the bloom bulbs

or do you guys think i should use redsun for flower if i can find ho and use the blue for veg if i can get them in ho also
if anybody has a good link for the bulbs that would be awlsome

 

[hyroot]

hyroot - i knno i dont want to get the vho bulbs ive been trying to find the ho bulbs but i cant seem to find redsun in ho

so for veg im thinging
2x fiji purpke
and just useing the grow t5 bulb

flowerin
2x fiji bulbs and the bloom bulbs

or do you guys think i should use redsun for flower if i can find ho and use the blue for veg if i can get them in ho also
if anybody has a good link for the bulbs that would be awlsome

http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/lighting/t5-lamps/uv-lighting/uv-lighting-t5-lamps/uv-lighting-red-sun-t5-lamp

48 vho are 96 watts to 110 watts

 

[pedro420]

thanks for the link the only ones i could find before thst where all like 94w and i know vho bulbs are a waste

as for the veg and flower cycle goes should i use all the par lights or just use a few with tehe regular t5 bulbs that came with the ballest

 

[hyroot]

420 Actinic+
Redsun
454
75.25
Fiji
Is what I've been using for veg and I'm very happy with it, because the t5 is not HID and doesn't penetrate as well I veg my plants to be wider than tall there for giving me great penetration up to 18" and keeping my internodes at less than an inch. Now after 2 months I transplant them into a HID flower room where there's up to 4X's the light.

Re: The 2 plants I flowered under the par light.
During flower I eliminated the 420nm+.... unfortunately I didn't catch the memo about taking the 75.25 out as well, The plants looked great & smelled great but never put on any good weight, however the tricrome development was very good under the t5! and the finished product smells and tastes better than the same strain under Hid light.
I think for flower the best is a combo of the 2, HID top light and T5 side light. HID giving you the penetration and ability to grow donks' and the T5's adding potency, flavor & smell.

Happy growing
Uc~

P.S. I will remind everyone that these bulbs are only rated for 10,000 hours

mmmmmmmmmmmm krystal steal.

 

[hyroot]

thanks for the link the only ones i could find before thst where all like 94w and i know vho bulbs are a waste

as for the veg and flower cycle goes should i use all the par lights or just use a few with tehe regular t5 bulbs that came with the ballest

you can use the 6500k bulbs for veg they work fine. if you want throw in some good bulbs you can. the con to the 6500k is a little more stretching and slower growth. i posted a few times that i grabbed the coralife bulbs for veg the actinic and the 6700k and they are 16.99 or 15.99 at petco. i got the same number as each. they grow a lot faster with those bulbs and tighter nodes.

everyone here has sort of came up with their own array of bulb selection. i went with the original recommended and changed it a little here and there.




if you want to and can afford it go for it. if not then wait. this is the most expensive hobby. except for maybe off roading

 

[tehshyt]

This will be my first grow, and for the sake of this experiment, I want to make sure I give my plants ideal conditions to grow to their fullest potential.

So, Consider the following: My grow area will be 47'' wide, 20'' deep, 47'' tall
As stated previously, I will be using a 6 bulb PAR t5
I will grow with organic soil in smart pots.
I will be implementing a SCROG
(also, I have a ventilation system that will suffice)

My question is this: How many plants and what size pots would be ideal for the most time/energy efficient yield?
(I'm thinking something like 4x 3 gallon smart pots)
- - Also, What strain would be ideal? (I'm assuming some type of indica or hybrid)

 

[Undercover Cop]

AS is out of Red Suns and Fiji's rite now, 54w.

 

[Undercover Cop]

... this is the most expensive hobby. except for maybe off roading

.. and maybe amature diamond mining, otherwise yeah, this shit can get expensive. Im growing my way into the poorhouse, but its fun

 

[pr0fesseur]

Heh, no comment eh? You like to go around telling people they are wrong and then not correcting yourself? Seems to me everyone is doing the actual testing of these bulbs for you. I've spent over $800 on T5 bulbs and have found the only real results to be with the ProColors or PINK plant bulbs. If you have results to show, why don't you show them? I haven't seen any photos from you and yet you are the one that started this thread. Is this just some idea that you had that you wanted others to test for you? I'm not getting it so far. People, stick with HPS and MH. Plants don't like low intensity lights, save your money!

Ill get to you in a minute..

Second ya im a human being.. I have made mistakes and am willing to admit when im wrong or just move on from an argument when im obviously wrong, serves no one any good to argue IN the forum. I obviously have a lot riding on this thread and have always defended my project with my everlasting breath, but wouldent you defend something you believed in and work hard @, do you know no pride? I take my arguments to PM unless someone has really come off as either an idiot or a bully, and you my friend are leaning to the latter. I have used fact and method to show yourself and others the "path" i cannot hold your hand or show you EVERY thing that is perfect and wrap it with a bow... Some things in life you must do yourself.

You have a total of 55 posts here @ RIU.
you say you have spent 800$ on bulbs good for you hope you feel happy about that.
In your 55 posts it is inconceivable that you could have posted clean documented Grow/Results comparable to ANYONE on this forum let alone MY thread. You have absolutely 0 to show for your work product, and storm in here like you own MY thread.
So you've been in my thread badmouthing bullying and claiming things that i and others say here are wrong when CLEARLY we as a collective have experience and knowledge in this subject that you cannot possible know.
So what i want to know is what makes YOU the expert here?
Youve tested ALL the bulbs and Combinations? really? Show your results? where are all your grows and strain comparisons? where are your pictures of growth throughout the lifecycle of the plant?
My plants were 3' tall and beautiful and i have pictures of them posted in THIS forum. Matter of fact i have posted well over 200 of my own photos throughout RIU. I have documented and given factual analysis and documented proof of my method/technique and the science to back me up. i use as many factual studies and "try" to take the word of people who have been doing something for a large majority of their own lives.. If someone invests a major portion of their life to something they SHOULD be pretty good at it. I have also posted REAL journal published University studies that back my own method.
I am sorry you are having bad results... maybe its because you chose to use the 2' lights, maybe the wrong combination? maybe the wrong strain.....
Seems to me EVERYONE else is having better results than you? and you have once to say you have copied MY method. I have laid out my decision process and the reasons imade my decisions... thats right MY decisions, you are free to make your own and my word is not law around here. Just a pretty good damn suggestion.
And while you think you can throw crap assumptions and BS "testing" around like a flag of honor shows your immaturity here.
I have and never will claim that this method will give you ANY YIELD @ ALL... i can almost guarantee in writing, if done right and with MY method and your knowhow you WILL get BETTER product.
Start with a turd.....you ain't getting shit.

And last for your viewing pleasure i have a REAL job where iI travel and do things with my life besides livinng in my moms basement with a bong clutched tightly between my hands watching reruns of cartoons and smelling like B.O and bongwater.

I took $ from my pocket and time out of my life with no greater intent than to fail @ something, miserably.(also written/posted here Frequently)
and for 432W of pure purple enjoyment i grew a crop that not only surpassed my wildest expectations, i had fun learned a few things and enlightened others on a new technique they probably never would have tried with Tech thats efficient relatively cheap and easily affordable to anyone. If you cant see past your on inability to make this method for you well we thank you for your contribution, but maybe you should take your HID and go play with the others.

 

[pr0fesseur]

hi pr0fesseur im currently in the 4th week of flower under 3 3000k, 1 6500k 2' t5's & 2 26 watt 2700 cfls for side lighting. i am wondering what would be the best combination of the t5's i have & actinic t5's. thanks in advance for any advice.

I think you'd be best off with the 1xRed sun and dare i say one fiji/454
sorry fo rthe late response I do not get a chance to read all the posts every day.

 

[pr0fesseur]

Day 26 Time for a little update.
They are all coming along nicely but the HPS plants are much larger. The T5s are a little more smelly though, but about 50% the size. Here are some pics for size comparison.

I am thinking about putting a Flora Sun or two to get into the 660nm range and add some green. I would pull the 454 at that point and maybe a red sun. Any thoughts?

Strain: Lemon Kush
Lights: 600w air cooled HPS eye Hortalux with a digital ballast.
T5 Bad Boy 8 bulb with 4 Red Suns, 3 Fijis, 1 454
Temps with the lights ON 75-77 degrees OFF around 62-65
RH 23-30

600W/480W keep the pics coming i want to see a good comparison in both quality and quantity, keep up the good work.

side note anyone going to run a 16 bulb badboy?

 

[pr0fesseur]

So im gonna start a grow next week and have 4 8 bulb Badboys free to grow under and all the right bulbs. Realistically how would be the most efficient way to setup and how many plants would you attempt to grow under a 32 bulb setup? I was WANTING to do 5 per fixture but think that might be too much and was thinking 3 might be most beneficial.

Thoughts?

Personally i would do a 3 plant grow per fixture and supercrop them... I am still a fan of supercropping and letting these lights get nice and close and get as much light on the plants and not on the walls and floor...

 

[PetFlora]

I firmly beleive that these aquarium bulbs should be used as supplement to 6500k lights or HID. I think they would prove as a great addition much like LED. Bring on the photos of good, healthy vigorous growth people!

I posted ~5 pics of growth stage that was staggeringly fast, but I did not employ any actinic blues, or fiji. I failed during mid flower when I was pushing ppms to 1300, which was fine, BUT... That combined with 6 ft tall plant with huge primary leafs sucking the water out of the nutes, left me with 1900+ ppms which was being cycled every 45 minutes over some 12 hours, which cooked the plant from the inside. Bottom line: Pilot Error.

This combination was working damned well: 2 Red Suns+ 2 Coral Waves + 2 Aquablue Specials + on the outside 2 Quantum Grow bulbs (only because the only other bulb I had was Quantum Flower.

 

[PetFlora]

FYI: My ~ 5 yo Hanna HI 98127(pH/temp meter) will not calibrate. I contacted Hanna and was told that probes last ~ 1 year. Cost of probe ~ $55. I also needed batteries. Between the 2, it was ~ the same as buying a new one. There's a place in Atlanta that comes up when you google Hanna. It is $74.99 + free shipping.

 

[Indicanna Jones]

I think you'd be best off with the 1xRed sun and dare i say one fiji/454
sorry fo rthe late response I do not get a chance to read all the posts every day.

Thanks loads pr0fesseur. So 1x454nm & 1x633nm in addition to the 3000k & 6500k t5's im currently flowering with......correct?

 

[okthanks2]

Ill get to you in a minute..

Second ya im a human being.. I have made mistakes and am willing to admit when im wrong or just move on from an argument when im obviously wrong, serves no one any good to argue IN the forum. I obviously have a lot riding on this thread and have always defended my project with my everlasting breath, but wouldent you defend something you believed in and work hard @, do you know no pride? I take my arguments to PM unless someone has really come off as either an idiot or a bully, and you my friend are leaning to the latter. I have used fact and method to show yourself and others the "path" i cannot hold your hand or show you EVERY thing that is perfect and wrap it with a bow... Some things in life you must do yourself.

You have a total of 55 posts here @ RIU.
you say you have spent 800$ on bulbs good for you hope you feel happy about that.
In your 55 posts it is inconceivable that you could have posted clean documented Grow/Results comparable to ANYONE on this forum let alone MY thread. You have absolutely 0 to show for your work product, and storm in here like you own MY thread.
So you've been in my thread badmouthing bullying and claiming things that i and others say here are wrong when CLEARLY we as a collective have experience and knowledge in this subject that you cannot possible know.
So what i want to know is what makes YOU the expert here?
Youve tested ALL the bulbs and Combinations? really? Show your results? where are all your grows and strain comparisons? where are your pictures of growth throughout the lifecycle of the plant?
My plants were 3' tall and beautiful and i have pictures of them posted in THIS forum. Matter of fact i have posted well over 200 of my own photos throughout RIU. I have documented and given factual analysis and documented proof of my method/technique and the science to back me up. i use as many factual studies and "try" to take the word of people who have been doing something for a large majority of their own lives.. If someone invests a major portion of their life to something they SHOULD be pretty good at it. I have also posted REAL journal published University studies that back my own method.
I am sorry you are having bad results... maybe its because you chose to use the 2' lights, maybe the wrong combination? maybe the wrong strain.....
Seems to me EVERYONE else is having better results than you? and you have once to say you have copied MY method. I have laid out my decision process and the reasons imade my decisions... thats right MY decisions, you are free to make your own and my word is not law around here. Just a pretty good damn suggestion.
And while you think you can throw crap assumptions and BS "testing" around like a flag of honor shows your immaturity here.
I have and never will claim that this method will give you ANY YIELD @ ALL... i can almost guarantee in writing, if done right and with MY method and your knowhow you WILL get BETTER product.
Start with a turd.....you ain't getting shit.

And last for your viewing pleasure i have a REAL job where iI travel and do things with my life besides livinng in my moms basement with a bong clutched tightly between my hands watching reruns of cartoons and smelling like B.O and bongwater.

I took $ from my pocket and time out of my life with no greater intent than to fail @ something, miserably.(also written/posted here Frequently)
and for 432W of pure purple enjoyment i grew a crop that not only surpassed my wildest expectations, i had fun learned a few things and enlightened others on a new technique they probably never would have tried with Tech thats efficient relatively cheap and easily affordable to anyone. If you cant see past your on inability to make this method for you well we thank you for your contribution, but maybe you should take your HID and go play with the others.

WOW, all with name calling and everything! Apparently you haven't read any of my posts. Pretty sad considering this is "your" thread. Do you always throw temper tantrums when someone calls you out on one little statement? As far as maturity level goes, I'm pretty sure you just proved to everyone here that you lack that quality.

As far as YOU go, I've asked you questions that you never answered. I've done my best to try and help out with this aquarium bulb T5 idea, and no you are not the first one to come up with this idea. It has been around for ages, and I'm sure if the idea actually worked well, it would have been known by now. These bulbs are meant for aquariums, made for aquariums, and until they make bulbs FOR growing a garden it will stay that way. Sure, some people might get some decent results with these bulbs, but I wouldn't go prancing around like you have discovered something that everyone should praise you for. Last but not least, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a flamer like you. I won't even consider speaking with someone that resorts to name calling, I just won't stoop that low. BTW, who ever said I had poor results? All I ACTUALLY STATED was that the "BLUE" type of aquarium lights seemed to stunt growth and I also left a photo to show what I was talking about. I got one response from someone saying, "looks fine to me," when it obviously was not fine. I also stated quite a few times that I had excellent results with the PINK colored lights, no matter what brand they are. You responded to my statement only by stating the bulbs are "RED" not pink, and then not even responding to the fact that I had good results with them. Seems to me like all you want to do is argue your "point," no matter what it may be. If you feel like someone is wrong, all you do is call them on it and not even respond to anything else they say. I wouldn't be surprised if you do live in someone's basement or whatever you were talking about earlier. So I leave you with "your" thread! Great, you've earned it, or something? Anyway, have fun with your little fake idea, you're sure got everyone believing that you know your stuff! HA HA