Usda Closes 259 Offices

[fenderburn84]

I'm sure it was. It's real difficult to read into something when one doesn't know the context.

 

[Parker]

I know in the area you and I live in there is a great need for the usda, could you imagine the foulness that would overrun our food industry. I think the usda and a toned down epa are essential organizations.

Why do we need their protection? If you believe in property rights which is what we were founded on we should be able to sue companies that pollute and sell harmful food. As it stands now companies can say 'we met the governments requirements". Who's watching the watchers.

 

[fenderburn84]

Why do we need their protection? If you believe in property rights which is what we were founded on we should be able to sue companies that pollute and sell harmful food. As it stands now companies can say 'we met the governments requirements". Who's watching the watchers.

While I agree with private property this is a different story, so you say fuck it we will roll the dice and maybe we get sick maybe it, but my question is who the hell are you to make that decision for my family? I would just rather not lose a child so I can sue someone.

 

[NLXSK1]

While I agree with private property this is a different story, so you say fuck it we will roll the dice and maybe we get sick maybe it, but my question is who the hell are you to make that decision for my family? I would just rather not lose a child so I can sue someone.

Did you see how many different offices the USDA has? The chances of them being for food safety are not high considering all the forestry and other things the department is into.

 

[scroglodyte]

"they" are about to start feeding us Chinese food products, and the less people looking at this stuff, the less the chance of some stand-up human screaming........Soylent Green is people!!"
enjoy your cadmium bars and GM corn everyone. when the farmers, wrest back control of our nation from the lawyers.....we'll be safe again.

 

[dtp5150]

Why do we need their protection? If you believe in property rights which is what we were founded on we should be able to sue companies that pollute and sell harmful food. As it stands now companies can say 'we met the governments requirements". Who's watching the watchers.

you have great insight. Is it so hard to imagine that our communities should grow their own food? And every family should have some farmers? C'mon now. What is with our obsession lately to dump knowledge that is old, just because it is old. All the drugs and diagnosis? Is everyone so impulsive that we cant think to grow our own food, and or purchase it from reliable and safe suppliers? If this isnt darwinian theory playing out like a sad opera, i dunno what is.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Every state has a Department of Agriculture. Which means that a bloated, Federal Agency full of bureaucrats is unnecessary.

Bureaucrats earning nice paychecks and fat benefits to arrive late, leave early, and take long lunches; without having to produce anything.

I say eliminate the whole motherfucking Department, unless someone can show me in the U.S. Constitution where the Federal Government has the authority to regulate agriculture.

Otherwise, it is the responsibility of the states.

 

[fenderburn84]

I agree with johnny, mostly I do belive it is a state issue to a degree, but it does become federal once food is shipped across state lines in some places they don't have farms and the like. Let's say I lived in Iowa and you lived in nyc would you trust me on nothing but my word, with the food you and your family eats?

 

[massah]

Every state has a Department of Agriculture. Which means that a bloated, Federal Agency full of bureaucrats is unnecessary.

Bureaucrats earning nice paychecks and fat benefits to arrive late, leave early, and take long lunches; without having to produce anything.

I say eliminate the whole motherfucking Department, unless someone can show me in the U.S. Constitution where the Federal Government has the authority to regulate agriculture.

Otherwise, it is the responsibility of the states.

^^ This = Winner

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I agree with johnny, mostly I do belive it is a state issue to a degree, but it does become federal once food is shipped across state lines in some places they don't have farms and the like. Let's say I lived in Iowa and you lived in nyc would you trust me on nothing but my word, with the food you and your family eats?

Good question.

The Commerce Clause has been abused to preposterous levels in order to justify all manner of Constitutional overreach.

Under that scenario it would be the responsibility of the State of New York, namely the New York State Department of Agriculture & Markets, to regulate food goods sold in the state.

And if Iowa fucked up, it would be a matter to be settled between the states. Disputes among states involving interstate commerce, could be handled by... I don't know.

How about the U.S. Department of Commerce?

 

[Rob Roy]

should be quite clear that i will be voting for obama once again.

i am with a near majority of americans who approve of his handling of the presidency.

Isn't he a pot prohibitionist? Can you elaborate on why you would support somebody that has been so hypocritical in the racist drug war?

 

[fenderburn84]

Good point sir, damn good point. The only problem I can foresee would be the excuse of it became tainted in shipping, let's say the taint happened in Pennsylvania how would Iowa be responsible, and you know pa would say not our problem, since the purchase and sale were not in our state.

 

[fenderburn84]

Good question.

The Commerce Clause has been abused to preposterous levels in order to justify all manner of Constitutional overreach.

Under that scenario it would be the responsibility of the State of New York, namely the New York State Department of Agriculture & Markets, to regulate food goods sold in the state.

And if Iowa fucked up, it would be a matter to be settled between the states. Disputes among states involving interstate commerce, could be handled by... I don't know.

How about the U.S. Department of Commerce?

That was in response to this sorry.

 

[NLXSK1]

The devil is always in the details eh?

Some of the closures had been previously announced. The USDA said last year it would shut down 10 agricultural research stations, including the only one in Alaska, where scientists were seeking ways to use the vast waste generated by the largest wild fishery in the nation to make everything from gel caps for pills to fish meal for livestock feed.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/10/usda-plan-to-close-hundreds-offices-raises-safety-concerns/#ixzz1j4XZCDi6​

Yes, closing a place where scientists seek to use waste for food products... My kids surely will be sick from the closing of those facilities.

Agriculture Secretary ​

Tom Vilsack

said the goal was to save $150 million a year in the agency's $145 billion budget. About $90 million had already been saved by reducing travel and supplies, and the closures were expected to save another $60 million, he said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/10/usda-plan-to-close-hundreds-offices-raises-safety-concerns/#ixzz1j4XtKLZ2​

$145 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET!!!! Not exactly like they are cutting to the bone here.

People want cuts but when the USDA tries to cut less than 1 tenth of 1% of its budget this is what we get.

If nobody can agree to cuts anywhere lets just drill a few more holes in the bottom of the boat eh?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/10/usda-plan-to-close-hundreds-offices-raises-safety-concerns/


Seriously, if we cannot trust government to make sensible cuts then we are lost... Spending will never recover, the American dollar standard will be thrown out the window and we will be a 2nd rate country like Britain playing our little empire games while the world passes us by...

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Good point sir, damn good point. The only problem I can foresee would be the excuse of it became tainted in shipping, let's say the taint happened in Pennsylvania how would Iowa be responsible, and you know pa would say not our problem, since the purchase and sale were not in our state.

Another good question. Even though the scenario is quite different now, because the situation has nothing to do with Iowa agriculture, but with interstate shipping.

The answer would be, look to the shipper. It the shipper's responsibility to see to it that the goods were delivered safely.

Once delivered, it would be the responsibility of the State of New York to see that tainted goods were not sold as foodstuffs.

Again, the U.S. Department of Commerce, even the U.S. Department of Transportation, would be authorized to address this under the Constitution.

 

[fenderburn84]

Very good sir. It was just a hiccup I saw, but it is sensical your answer. And I am not trying to say the agency should not feel cuts I'm just worried about abolising the entity entirely.

 

[canndo]

Every state has a Department of Agriculture. Which means that a bloated, Federal Agency full of bureaucrats is unnecessary.

Bureaucrats earning nice paychecks and fat benefits to arrive late, leave early, and take long lunches; without having to produce anything.

I say eliminate the whole motherfucking Department, unless someone can show me in the U.S. Constitution where the Federal Government has the authority to regulate agriculture.

Otherwise, it is the responsibility of the states.

General Welfare Clause.

 

[fenderburn84]

I do apologize for my spelling I'm dead to the world tired.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

General Welfare Clause.

That's mentioned in the Preamble and again in Article 1, Section 8.

Promoting the general Welfare does not mean government cheese.

And just how does a National Debt which exceeds 100% of GNP promote the general Welfare?

Answer: It doesn't.

 

[Rob Roy]

General Welfare Clause.

I prefer 'Weeda Claus" thank you.

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