Irish Boys Return Of The Inferno With The Spectra 180's

[irishboy]

one of the factors that contibuted to my plants' failure under the Spectra 290 may be the water quality. i was actually giving them pure R.O. water with 0 degrees hardness. this was convenient because of the PH that was constantly low. but water is a source of minerals by itself and my practice may have aggravated certain nutrient deficiencies (including cal and mag as you all seem to agree). i switched to tap water (8 degrees German Hardness), increased fertiliser and added some extra minerals and enhancers. i now have 2 pannels with 6x55W tubes each, they produce a lot of heat, but inspite of the high temperatures, the plants look happy. when i switch to the spectra 290, i will place it at maximum height (37'') and observe the plants closely. since my headroom isn't that big, if the light is still too strong i can add a wooden frame hanging between light and screen with a semitransparent material mounted on it. this filter difuses the light very evenly and cuts 0.5 EV, that is approx. 33% less light to the plants. there are also numerous gelatin filters used in photography that one could experiment with if height is a limitation.

ya water quality is important. their is still a issue though and i would keep the lights high and let the plants grow into on their own. their are still others that have pulled nice grows with the 2011's so it can be done with no issues. i am thinking one key thing is to not feed as much PPM's

thanks for the info, i decided on my lights, what do you think. The LED for veg would be the all blue extreme LED from advanced LED lights, i think i only need one of those. Here's the link for my veg light if you guys want to check it out, http://www.advancedledlights.com/pro...Made-LEDs.html . if i need more please let me know. for the flowering stage i will be using a 240w Lighthouse Hydro Blackstar grow light 6 band 3w chips, here's the link to check it out, http://www.amazon.com/Lighthouse-Hyd...5124398&sr=8-1

buying leds for veg is a big waste of money IMO and i would just go with T5's
i am not impressed with either light you said but i think BS would be the better option from the grows ive seen, it will produce quality buds but yield seems to be lacking from grows ive seen. i do think their one of the better lights but i havent seem many grows with advanced. their dimond light look cool but you have to really look for journals and not listen to what the companies claim or say, look for what the real growers say. but for veg save ur money and just get some T5's it will do great and save you allot of money

 

[puffenuff]

thanks for the info, i decided on my lights, what do you think. The LED for veg would be the all blue extreme LED from advanced LED lights, i think i only need one of those. Here's the link for my veg light if you guys want to check it out, http://www.advancedledlights.com/pro...Made-LEDs.html . if i need more please let me know. for the flowering stage i will be using a 240w Lighthouse Hydro Blackstar grow light 6 band 3w chips, here's the link to check it out, http://www.amazon.com/Lighthouse-Hyd...5124398&sr=8-1

The Advanced leds kick some major ass. You'll get some super tight nodes and truly breathtaking babies with their veg models. I have a couple of their lights and am really happy with them. Tons of journals on other forums. I have a couple early ones here on riu I can pm you the links if interested.

 

[Jman305]

The Advanced leds kick some major ass. You'll get some super tight nodes and truly breathtaking babies with their veg models. I have a couple of their lights and am really happy with them. Tons of journals on other forums. I have a couple early ones here on riu I can pm you the links if interested.

I'd be interested in those links man. Thank you. And @ irish, I've also heard good things about the budswell tea, and the hygrozyme. Very good things about the latter. Do you have any experience or anyone for that matter on this thread with humboldt nutrients? I was very interested on a sweetener they offered. I'm not a big believer in the price of the nutes is the quality of it. But I do know that if cannabis has extra access to sugar, it makes photosynthesis easier and also allows more swelling of the glands because the sugar goes directly to THC production. So I thought it would be something to try. If its not worth it, can someone give me a link or advice on making a mollasses tea? Thanks for all the help guys, really its greatly appreciated.

 

[irishboy]

The Advanced leds kick some major ass. You'll get some super tight nodes and truly breathtaking babies with their veg models. I have a couple of their lights and am really happy with them. Tons of journals on other forums. I have a couple early ones here on riu I can pm you the links if interested.

please shoot me a few links if you will.

I'd be interested in those links man. Thank you. And @ irish, I've also heard good things about the budswell tea, and the hygrozyme. Very good things about the latter. Do you have any experience or anyone for that matter on this thread with humboldt nutrients? I was very interested on a sweetener they offered. I'm not a big believer in the price of the nutes is the quality of it. But I do know that if cannabis has extra access to sugar, it makes photosynthesis easier and also allows more swelling of the glands because the sugar goes directly to THC production. So I thought it would be something to try. If its not worth it, can someone give me a link or advice on making a mollasses tea? Thanks for all the help guys, really its greatly appreciated.

ive used Budswell and like it, i have used the Honey es and like that allot as for the others ive never used so cant say? i know the ES is good stuff though.

when making teas their are different ones for different stages, but you have to be careful because too much molasses will throw off ur micro/fungi ratos. seaweed and humic acid are great addtives to feed those guys.

 

[puffenuff]

please shoot me a few links if you will.

Tried to send you the pm with some links but your inbox is full. shoot me a pm when you have some space available

 

[LeoDiamonds]

The Advanced leds kick some major ass. You'll get some super tight nodes and truly breathtaking babies with their veg models. I have a couple of their lights and am really happy with them. Tons of journals on other forums. I have a couple early ones here on riu I can pm you the links if interested.

Thanks a bunch, send the links, really appreciate it.

 

[irishboy]

cleared the PM's.

 

[fartman]

can i use humbolt honey es with dyna grow bloom if so what the ratio you woyld use,thanks,or what bloom inhancer do you recomend

ps i just cut 1 white widow down(9 weeks flower) out of 2 (becuase i was out of smoke) that are under the 290s and 1 plant wet was 290 grams of bud so if it loses three quarters of the weight it will be 72.5 grams or 2.58 ozs, and im gonna wait 2 more weeks to harvest the other 1 and its a lil bigger than the 1 i already harvested

 

[Jman305]

please shoot me a few links if you will.

ive used Budswell and like it, i have used the Honey es and like that allot as for the others ive never used so cant say? i know the ES is good stuff though.

when making teas their are different ones for different stages, but you have to be careful because too much molasses will throw off ur micro/fungi ratos. seaweed and humic acid are great addtives to feed those guys.

I wasn't meaning using one tea for all my nutrition, just for a sweetener. But I guess I would need to mix it all at once to make sure my pH and EC are right wouldn't I?

I've been of the belief that a lot of bennies and micro nutrients are they way to go, with only just enough of the larger nutrients to not cause lock out or def. Am I correct in assuming so?

I've heard you swear by that sea weed and humic acid. I knew humic was good but I never thought of the sea weed but now that it's mentioned it makes total sense.

Also, @ fartman, what seed bank did you get your widow from? I'm looking for one that reminds me of the kind I used to get. Do you have a journal with it? If not would you post your m/f ratio and the amount of phenotypes you got/what they were like? Thanks!

 

[fartman]

i got 10 reg ww seeds at marijuana seeds nl 3 were male 1 was a freak (sativa or somethin ,wouldnt stop growing),lost 1 ,2 died ,and 3 successful ones

my first time growing (2nd grow actually) it tastes good but i cant explain the tasye but its definately unique,and i love the high its kinda deep but a lil bit of excitement or energyto me,but my freinds say its too couchlock lol

 

[irishboy]

can i use humbolt honey es with dyna grow bloom if so what the ratio you woyld use,thanks,or what bloom inhancer do you recomend

ps i just cut 1 white widow down(9 weeks flower) out of 2 (becuase i was out of smoke) that are under the 290s and 1 plant wet was 290 grams of bud so if it loses three quarters of the weight it will be 72.5 grams or 2.58 ozs, and im gonna wait 2 more weeks to harvest the other 1 and its a lil bigger than the 1 i already harvested

i used it with DG and it did ok for me. i do like to mix it on my own because i am never sure if they mix fine so most times it was on its own with budswell. i like budswell for bloom booster and hunbolt honey.
thats killer yeild for a plant bro

I wasn't meaning using one tea for all my nutrition, just for a sweetener. But I guess I would need to mix it all at once to make sure my pH and EC are right wouldn't I?

I've been of the belief that a lot of bennies and micro nutrients are they way to go, with only just enough of the larger nutrients to not cause lock out or def. Am I correct in assuming so?

I've heard you swear by that sea weed and humic acid. I knew humic was good but I never thought of the sea weed but now that it's mentioned it makes total sense.

Also, @ fartman, what seed bank did you get your widow from? I'm looking for one that reminds me of the kind I used to get. Do you have a journal with it? If not would you post your m/f ratio and the amount of phenotypes you got/what they were like? Thanks!

for a sweetner i would use the honey es or the earth juice catalist and save you the time.

bennies are great for organics and breaking it down for the plants. not sure on the micro nute thing i am sure u need cal/mag and ect for the plants still the bennies make it easy for the plant to up take though
seaweed is the best thing u can feed a plant, the best. Google it and you will see why and how it is, dose so much its crazy.

i got 10 reg ww seeds at marijuana seeds nl 3 were male 1 was a freak (sativa or somethin ,wouldnt stop growing),lost 1 ,2 died ,and 3 successful ones

my first time growing (2nd grow actually) it tastes good but i cant explain the tasye but its definately unique,and i love the high its kinda deep but a lil bit of excitement or energyto me,but my freinds say its too couchlock lolView attachment 1971970View attachment 1971971View attachment 1971972

very cool. i am getting some Sannies seeds for my next grow, some killer strains. cant wait

 

[Shwagbag]

thanks for the info.lol. the only thing i can think off for me not having issues is the nutes i am running? even with 2x500's i had no issues and i think the Dyna Gro maybe has somthing to do with it? its so complete with every micro nute and sure the sillica helps also because its real big with the way plants use light.

hope he gets that site up soon also its been forver.lol

this is what its all about for me on nutes all the way threw the whole grow

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Hey Irish, are you also using kelp with this lineup? I'm just doing some thinking and if you could share everything you use during flower it may help, thanks in advance.

Dynagrow Bloom, protect, Hygrozyme, Budswell _______? Anything else? Please clarify.

 

[Jman305]

Those girls look pretty damn healthy. Thats also not a bad looking scrog you've got there either, buddy. Is that 2010 or 2011 spectra 290? That thing looks blindingly bright!

 

[Shwagbag]

after 43 days of vegging with fluorescent lights (one pannel of 6x55W tubes for 24 days, a second pannel added for another 19 days) and full feeding and since i haven't yet received the replacement power supply from Mike (GLH), i decided to replace one pannel with the Spectra 290 and observe what will happen this time. i put the light as high as possible (90 cm/ 35 inches over the screen, that is 80 cm/ 31 inches over the leaf-tips). additionally, i placed a semi-opaque filter under the light further decreasing light intensity by about 30%. i took EV readings under both pannels and the numbers show that LED intensity on screen surface is 8 times less (3 f/stops) than under fluos. this is obiously a great difference, but i have burned my plants twice and i'd rather break them in smoothly. in the past, nasty symptoms were visible after 6 days under the LEDs. this time, i will wait for one week and if everything goes ok, i will switch to 12/12. any suggestions are welcomed.
here are some pics of the set-up:

Is that a frosted glass or a film on the glass or something? Not a bad idea, I considered the same thing.

 

[hippy132]

Looking good, what do you think of the air pots, and are you going to transplant or leave them in the small pots?

 

[Shwagbag]

after 43 days of vegging with fluorescent lights (one pannel of 6x55W tubes for 24 days, a second pannel added for another 19 days) and full feeding and since i haven't yet received the replacement power supply from Mike (GLH), i decided to replace one pannel with the Spectra 290 and observe what will happen this time. i put the light as high as possible (90 cm/ 35 inches over the screen, that is 80 cm/ 31 inches over the leaf-tips). additionally, i placed a semi-opaque filter under the light further decreasing light intensity by about 30%. i took EV readings under both pannels and the numbers show that LED intensity on screen surface is 8 times less (3 f/stops) than under fluos. this is obiously a great difference, but i have burned my plants twice and i'd rather break them in smoothly. in the past, nasty symptoms were visible after 6 days under the LEDs. this time, i will wait for one week and if everything goes ok, i will switch to 12/12. any suggestions are welcomed.
here are some pics of the set-up:

So you 're seeing signs of sickness even during veg with the 290's? I have the V1's and they don't show signs of sickness until about the 3rd week of flower. I'm wondering if part of the issue is not related to micronutrients. This is why I'm curious if Irish uses a regular kelp feeding.

 

[irishboy]

Hey Irish, are you also using kelp with this lineup? I'm just doing some thinking and if you could share everything you use during flower it may help, thanks in advance.

Dynagrow Bloom, protect, Hygrozyme, Budswell _______? Anything else? Please clarify.

i have not used Hygrozime yet..
the things i did use last grow here and their was GH's seaweed called Bio-weed witch i just picked out some dry kelp from maxi crop for this next grow, i also used Humboldt Honey es. i did not use all of these things all the time kind of just went with whatever but i always use seaweed! most cases i fed only Dyna gro stuff and used their Mag-pro some times, then next feeding i fed just the organic stuff so at the end i really did not feed allot

after 43 days of vegging with fluorescent lights (one pannel of 6x55W tubes for 24 days, a second pannel added for another 19 days) and full feeding and since i haven't yet received the replacement power supply from Mike (GLH), i decided to replace one pannel with the Spectra 290 and observe what will happen this time. i put the light as high as possible (90 cm/ 35 inches over the screen, that is 80 cm/ 31 inches over the leaf-tips). additionally, i placed a semi-opaque filter under the light further decreasing light intensity by about 30%. i took EV readings under both pannels and the numbers show that LED intensity on screen surface is 8 times less (3 f/stops) than under fluos. this is obiously a great difference, but i have burned my plants twice and i'd rather break them in smoothly. in the past, nasty symptoms were visible after 6 days under the LEDs. this time, i will wait for one week and if everything goes ok, i will switch to 12/12. any suggestions are welcomed.
here are some pics of the set-up:

very cool, ive heard of others doing somthing like that with no issues, keep us posted bro.
nice girls by the way and cool SCROG

So you 're seeing signs of sickness even during veg with the 290's? I have the V1's and they don't show signs of sickness until about the 3rd week of flower. I'm wondering if part of the issue is not related to micronutrients. This is why I'm curious if Irish uses a regular kelp feeding.

ya most cases its the 2nd&3rd week of flowering that others had issues but some i guess in veg?

 

[Shwagbag]

ya most cases its the 2nd&3rd week of flowering that others had issues but some i guess in veg?

Cool, thanks Irish, I will try to feed regularly with my kelp. Do you use both foliar and root drench?

it is actually paper used for light diffusion in photography

That's cool I hope they work along well for you TG.

Shwagbag

 

[roachclip420]

Have you thought about maybe using a greenhouse type material as a filter? From pics it looks like that one may be blocking too much light

 

[Heretic]

no, actually i haven't considered greenhouse-type material. it's a good idea, thanks!
Michael from GLH finaly contacted me and asked me once again my shipping address, so i should soon have my new power supply. after i instal it i will - hopefully - need no flilter any more.

I got the shipping confirmation from him yesterday too. Just in time for my next round! Better late than never.