budlover13
King Tut
Not a contradiction imo. If he pays taxes he has contributed. He just avoids all the taxes he can but can't avoid them all therefore he HAS contributed, whether willingly or not.
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You can argue your point as much as you like, but the VAST majority of people(Society) will say the doctor has a higher status than the crack dealer. BTW all crack dealers had choices, no one is forced to be a drug dealer, there are always other choices.
NLXSK1
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He wants everyone to be equal but purposely withholds most of what he earns from taxes. You dont find a contradiction in that?
budlover13
King Tut
You seem to seek equality by everyone allowing the same theft from them. That's not how it works.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
Actually, right now by agreement that is how it works.
I am not seeking equality in the way that skankyhybrid is. This is not a discussion about my system, it is about his perfect equality system.
budlover13
King Tut
So you are in favor of pooling everyone's money and equally distributing it amongst everyone?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
You are confusing me with someone else...
That would cause massive price increases on everything.
budlover13
King Tut
Now i'm confused.
He saves HIS money from tax theft but you are opposed to that right? What is your position?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
I am pointing out that Skunkyhybrid is a hypocrite because he advocates equality while withholding his efforts. He doesnt see that in this new world of equality that other people will do exactly what he is doing. They will not contribute equally, they will hoard goods, etc. The whole system breaks down because man is simply human.
Padawanbater2
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Everybody contributing equally is not realistic. I would like to think it is but it's not. That's the flaw in that idea, if there was a way around that it might work but that's the biggest obstacle in the way at this point.
skunkushybrid01
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That is how the world works that's why. You think i'm going to play by different rules?
In an equal society then i wouldn't mind contributing. I'm not paying taxes to kings just so they can fly in private jets and own yachts, while millions of people are starving to death. I play by the same rules everybody else does because the environment makes the man. I don't have any choice but to play the game like that as those are the rules. Poor men have to pay what they are told to in taxes, people with a brain, or even enough to afford an accountant will not pay their full share of taxes. that is what an accountant is for.
those are the rules, i'm just playing the game.
change the rules and i'll play by those too...
skunkushybrid01
Well-Known Member
of course it isn't reaslistic.
You're broadening the term equal. In this respect, equal means only that there is no more money or status in regards to the job you do, we work because we want to.
Now i don't know about anybody else here, but i work because i want to, it's boring not to... right? I smoke weed all day long and i still need to work. Are there enough jobs for people right now? will there be enough for people in the future? NO. Things will be the same as they are now, all that would change is that we would get everything we needed for free. We have the technology available today so that we could make most things automatic. even have cars that drive you around, computerised. Where's the money going to come from? we don't need any, it doesn't exist. we just do it.
skunkushybrid01
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it doesn't matter if A contributes more than B.... you do it because you want to. if you resent that B does very little then lower your own standards to match. i guarantee that most will not think like you do. Sooner or later B will either be shown to be not healthy enough to work as much or he will turn himself around and contribute more, due to guilt.
In either case it will generally be a case of people turning up to do work and there won't be room for them, or more people will get the job done quicker. If you see afull work place, move onto another one where there is room. If no room, use your day to study or chill out.
Look at how many docotors don't have work right now because there isn't the money to pay for them. You really think doctors are about the money? doctors start out like that because they care, it is only later they get corrupted by the money. In a world without cash and status we would have a surplus of doctors.
You want to kill yourself with crack cocaine? do it, it's legal. you have as much food as you want and smoke crack till you die. it's your right to do that.
I guarantee though that if you change the environment people turning to crack for solace will be a thing of the past.
Climb out of the box and stare reality in the face.
In either case it will generally be a case of people turning up to do work and there won't be room for them, or more people will get the job done quicker. If you see afull work place, move onto another one where there is room. If no room, use your day to study or chill out.
Look at how many docotors don't have work right now because there isn't the money to pay for them. You really think doctors are about the money? doctors start out like that because they care, it is only later they get corrupted by the money. In a world without cash and status we would have a surplus of doctors.
You want to kill yourself with crack cocaine? do it, it's legal. you have as much food as you want and smoke crack till you die. it's your right to do that.
I guarantee though that if you change the environment people turning to crack for solace will be a thing of the past.
Climb out of the box and stare reality in the face.
cerberus
Well-Known Member
heres where the contradiction lies.. you don;t wish for a better society but do nothing about it, you don't say this is how people should live, then refuse to stand up to those principals because no one else does. if you want to preach, then be a man and live by the princpals that you preach. you want equality then be equal treat people fairly. you want people to be generous then you be generous. If you aren't going to contribute to society fully, then don't be a winney bitch and other follow suit..
your a coward. live the morals you preach or shut the fuck up
NLXSK1
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There are jobs available in America right now and every day. The biggest complaint about these jobs not being filled is that they dont pay enough.
But somehow you think if you remove all incentive to get up and go to work and you now pay everyone NOTHING... That suddenly these jobs would be filled to overflowing by people just tickled to work for someone else for FREE!! I mean they could do anything they want but for some reason in your twisted world they are going to show up to pick farm produce for hours just out of their love for the common man.
This is the best fairy tale story I have been told since I was a kid.
But somehow you think if you remove all incentive to get up and go to work and you now pay everyone NOTHING... That suddenly these jobs would be filled to overflowing by people just tickled to work for someone else for FREE!! I mean they could do anything they want but for some reason in your twisted world they are going to show up to pick farm produce for hours just out of their love for the common man.
This is the best fairy tale story I have been told since I was a kid.
skunkushybrid01
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There are not enough jobs for everybody. There may be jobs available every day but there are not enough for everybody to be employed. The wages for the lowest paid are also not enough for adequate survival. I know people that work two jobs just so they can afford to drive a car. People are working harder and harder for less and less... and it's going to get worse and worse.
If you can have everything you want for free, then you wouldn't actually be working for free. You would be working to fill your time. I can see from your response that given the choice, you'd rather be lazy... but I can assure you that 90% of the rest of society would not be like that. work is not just about money, it is also a place to socialise and even exercise. Most people i know would still work even if they didn't need to.
People would not be working for anybody else... you still don't get it because your brain is incapable of lateral thought. If there was no status or money then how could you possibly be working for somebody else? You'll be working for yourself. It is your choice whether you work or not, nobody will force you to. so it will be an ideal world even for a lazy person like you.
doc111
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What about when the doctor IS the crack dealer? Huh? Think about that one for a minute! lol!
doc111
Well-Known Member
If it's REALLY this easy, then why hasn't this already happened?
Human nature..........(I just answered this rhetorical question for you.)
Most people would rather get more for less, it's just the way of the world my friend. Perhaps YOU do not think in this way, but trust me, the majority of humans DO think in this way. This is why these utopian fantasies will remain exactly that.........FANTASY!!!!!!!
