Ron Paul for... Vice President?

NLXSK1

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I can understand that and I would rather have the "one" I love make my decisions then some parent or sibling who most likely does not like or accept my life style.....!

BUT
, as stated my health insurance allows for health coverage for "partners" in non married same sex couples.... BUT, as stated it also does not offer the same to traditional m/f non married couples.

I live in Iowa, which is a state that allows gay marriages!

Insurance is mandated at the state level! So the way I see it is that they are not being stated as an "equal", but are in fact being placed on some special level.
Government should get out of the bedroom and marriage debate. Everyone should pay taxes as an individual. If there are tax credits then they should be assigned to the children although I dont really agree with tax credits.

I am a single man who will likely never have any children. However, not only do I not get any deductions from my taxes, my taxes go to educate children I will never have.

If the government got out of social manipulation via the tax code it would eliminate this issue.
 

Carne Seca

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Blah blah blah...

You can call it "normal" if it makes you feel PC or better but calling it normal will never make it so. There is a reason we have male and female genders not just in humans but in life. While there are deviations or anomalies (if that word makes you feel better), the norm is the norm and that's not going to change anytime soon. You don't have to like the truth but you can't change it by calling it something else. Society can accept a deviation but it doesn't make it less of one.


"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four, calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg." -- Abraham Lincoln
Translation:



La la la la... I can't hear you....

Also known as Christian fundamentalism.
 

NoDrama

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Government should get out of the bedroom and marriage debate. Everyone should pay taxes as an individual. If there are tax credits then they should be assigned to the children although I dont really agree with tax credits.

I am a single man who will likely never have any children. However, not only do I not get any deductions from my taxes, my taxes go to educate children I will never have.

If the government got out of social manipulation via the tax code it would eliminate this issue.
That is a very good observation and I wholeheartedly agree with it. It seems to be that governments have found a way to enforce their own tax code without really having to enforce it. What i mean is, if you don't pay your property taxes, the state may then confiscate your property entirely. So you can ostensibly lose a $100,000 home over a measly $2000 tax burden, most people I know are very fearful of losing their largest asset and therefore comply willingly to avoid the displeasure of the draconian measures of property forfeiture.

Like you said, social manipulation. Privatize education (it would be better) and give alloidial title of property to those who have paid for it.
 

NLXSK1

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That is a very good observation and I wholeheartedly agree with it. It seems to be that governments have found a way to enforce their own tax code without really having to enforce it. What i mean is, if you don't pay your property taxes, the state may then confiscate your property entirely. So you can ostensibly lose a $100,000 home over a measly $2000 tax burden, most people I know are very fearful of losing their largest asset and therefore comply willingly to avoid the displeasure of the draconian measures of property forfeiture.

Like you said, social manipulation. Privatize education (it would be better) and give alloidial title of property to those who have paid for it.
I dont really mind some of my tax money going to the schools (although private education would be MUCH better). There are some things I believe that Government should do and providing an education up through high school or age 21 is one of the things that should be provided by a society.

But why are there different rates based on if you are married or not and filing jointly or independently?
 

Brick Top

New Member
What is not a given is who will get the Independents. Obama loses a significant amount of his support when going against Ron Paul.

Obama has lost the majority of the Independent vote, which is what put him in office to begin with. In a two candidate.party race Independents will vote Republican, hence a Republican victor. If Ron Paul runs as an Independent he will draw far more votes from the Republican candidate than from Obama resulting in the splitting of Independent support and assuring an Obama victory in a 3 candidate/party race.


Three scenarios I might suggest that might all but guarantee a Republican win.
1) Brokered convention. Winner needs Ron Paul's delegates to win. He offers him the VP or high appointments in the cabinets. Ron Paul - Head of the Fed anyone?

Ron Paul will not hold that much leverage, he will not have that type of political power, he will not have the political capital needed to do something like that. And how big of an impact would a Vice President Paul have on he nation as he travels the world representing the president at funerals and grocery store openings? Ron Paul would not be into the idea of playing the president's puppet.




2) Romney, after winning the nomination outright,is looking to hold the newly organized Ron Paul supporters and their fund raising to the GOP cause offers Ron Paul a place in his admin. This allows him to gain the support of democrat and independent voters.


For an administration to be a success it not only has to be made up of skilled people, but they have to be on the same page, they have to think alike, they have to be the type of people who can finish the sentences of others, and the president because they already think and believe the same things. The more opposing points of views or beliefs the less cohesive the administration's message and the less smoothly it operates and the less successful it will be.

In the administration of one of the Republican candidates, Ron Paul would be a dissenting point of view on many things, he would be something or a rebel or a loose cannon. In short, he would be a liability to the administration unless all he ever did was implement what he was ordered to implement. I can't see his doing that.



3) Gingrich or Santorum pick up the nomination and offer Ron Paul a place to keep the supporters on GOP ranks.

The biggest question is... How likely would it be that Ron Paul would accept the VP position? Not likely from what I can guess.
Saying the odds that Ron Paul would accept the V.P. position are slim to none would grossly be overestimating the possibility of it happening.

Maybe he makes a deal to make his son VP? It would surely be a move towards a future presidency for his son. Ron Paul's support might make a 5% difference for the GOP. Rand Paul VP and Ron Paul backing would be hard to beat. I could easily see him making a deal that would allow him to become head of treasury or control the fed in some way.

Ron Paul is not the major player of major power-broker that the Ron Paul supporters want and need to see him as being. He is only a bit player in the big picture, in the overall scheme of things.

What do you all think?
I think the rabid Ron Paul supporters need a prescription for some reality pills, because they sure are missing the reality of all things Ron Paul related.
 

Dan Kone

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I'm starting to think there is a serious chance that Romney might pick Paul as a VP. The two have seemed to develop a relationship of convenience and are not going after each other. Paul does bring in a considerable amount of tea party and democratic voters. I think this could really happen.
 

deprave

New Member
I'm starting to think there is a serious chance that Romney might pick Paul as a VP. The two have seemed to develop a relationship of convenience and are not going after each other. Paul does bring in a considerable amount of tea party and democratic voters. I think this could really happen.
never going to happen....they disagree on pretty much everything...Romney didn't even support his audit the fed bill...I could go on and on but they have very different views and goals and would never team up together. Another thing is Ron Paul doesn't believe corporations are people...the NDAA....anything..they are just total opposites. It is cute that you think they are the same with your grouping of all conservatives together but they aren't. Mitt Romney doesn't even care about liberty whatsoever and this is the most important thing to Paul.
 

Cali chronic

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The fuckers at the switch are going bat shit crazy, because they see their hokey horse shit job going way of the Dodo Bird. The definition of Insanity is "You know it"
And from what I can tell, all of the them are about the same; but Paul. Hence the media trying to ignore him. Now they do their polls and use land lines to do it. Guess what? Most Paul supporters don't have land lines to poll. What does that tell you. Can your vote be bought? I am sure some of you can. Not me. No matter how much they spend on ads and promise free lunch. I don't eat their brand of food anyways. Time to restore America before your kids grow up and wonder why you kept voting for people like Nixon or Carter. Wake up!
 

Cali chronic

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That is a very good observation and I wholeheartedly agree with it. It seems to be that governments have found a way to enforce their own tax code without really having to enforce it. What i mean is, if you don't pay your property taxes, the state may then confiscate your property entirely. So you can ostensibly lose a $100,000 home over a measly $2000 tax burden, most people I know are very fearful of losing their largest asset and therefore comply willingly to avoid the displeasure of the draconian measures of property forfeiture.

Like you said, social manipulation. Privatize education (it would be better) and give alloidial title of property to those who have paid for it.
That is why I sold all my houses. I am done paying taxes for everything twice. Buy Gold and when it goes up sell a bit at a time as you need it without going over the reporting number. If you make 100 bucks profit, it is 100 bucks not 70 bucks. Just so some asshole with a badge, can give it to some other asshole, who sits on his asshole.
 

sync0s

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Ron Paul should follow in Reagan's footsteps and name a VP soon. It backfired for Reagan, but if Paul picks the right person it could help him a lot...
 

fenderburn84

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Who Janet? Are you serious? I think Paul would make an excelent treasury secratary though, could you imagine the hell bernanke's world would become lol.
 

Dan Kone

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never going to happen....they disagree on pretty much everything...
Well that's why it could happen. Because they disagree on everything, Paul would bring in voters who'd never vote for Romney otherwise. The VP has no real power, so it's not like that would somehow diminish Romney's power. That's not how it works.

Presidents don't usually pick a VP based on how much they agree with them on policy, they pick a VP based on how many votes the VP would bring in. By all accounts JFK absoultely hated LBJ. But LBJ delivered Texas, so he picked him for VP. McCain saw the tea party coming, so he picked Palin. Sure, that back fired, but that's how VP's are picked. Reagan was from Cali, so his VP was from Texas. Sure, there are exceptions to that like Bush/Cheney, but a president doesn't require his VP's approval to make decisions.

Romney has moderate appeal, Paul has extremist appeal. Two different sets of voters there that Romney would otherwise not get.

VP picks are about votes more than ideology.
 

Dan Kone

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The fuckers at the switch are going bat shit crazy, because they see their hokey horse shit job going way of the Dodo Bird. The definition of Insanity is "You know it"
And from what I can tell, all of the them are about the same; but Paul. Hence the media trying to ignore him. Now they do their polls and use land lines to do it. Guess what? Most Paul supporters don't have land lines to poll. What does that tell you. Can your vote be bought? I am sure some of you can. Not me. No matter how much they spend on ads and promise free lunch. I don't eat their brand of food anyways. Time to restore America before your kids grow up and wonder why you kept voting for people like Nixon or Carter. Wake up!
I've heard 5000000 posts by every Ron Paul supporter on this board that are nearly identical. It's like you guys are reading it off a script. Before telling everyone else to wake up you might want to take a look in the mirror. You're reciting propaganda right now. You don't have a special profound perspective that the rest of us can't see because we are all mindless sheep. You're a sheep too, you just have a different shepherd. Get over yourself.

At least the rest of us understand that politicians are all fucked up and we just try to vote for the best of terrible options. You guys follow around Ron Paul like he's jesus. You're the naive one here if you think Ron Paul is something more than just a politician.
 

beardo

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Who Janet? Are you serious? I think Paul would make an excelent treasury ysecratary though, could you imagine the hell bernanke's world would become lol.
Andrew Napolitano- hes a good choice, go to youtube and watch his what if series, search, freedom watch what if
 

beardo

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Will do. I was just wondering if he was making a funny
No, he might name Andrew Napolitano his VP,
He's the guy who hosts Freedom Watch, let me know what you think of his what if videos, I thougjt they were quite chilling and upseting- very unnearving
 

sync0s

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Will do. I was just wondering if he was making a funny
lol no I was being serious. Paul has said many times that he idolizes Andrew Napolitano, and Napolitano is undoubtedly a very good speaker.

In the hypothetical that Paul did win the Presidency, if Napolitano wasn't his VP I would guarantee he would be the Attorney General.
 

eyesky

Active Member
I like Andrew Napolitano.... Great speaker, seems to have his shit together and he sits well in the middle even tho showing tones from both sides of aisle!

But as a VP.... How is he at being a bobble head?
 
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