thinking about breeding. Nirvana genitics. Good to work with or dump them?

[derfmasta]

Got some nirvana beans, super skunk, blue mystic bolth fems. Also have black jack, northern lights reg beans. And a mystery pack of regs w/few bag seeds. Are these worth working with or should I get them from a diffrent breeder?

 

[Bad Karma]

Don't go spending anymore money on seeds, what you have is fine.
The real key to breeding is finding good, strong plants to work with.
I recommend using your regular seeds for breeding, as using fems for breeding increases the chances of hermie traits and other undesirable characteristics.
Grow your regs out and find the powerhouses of the bunch, keep those as your breeding stock.
Cross a fast flowering male Blackjack with a resinous female Northern Lights and see what kind of offspring you get.
Cross a sturdy male from the mystery pack with a super potent female Blackjack and see how those seeds grow.
You get the picture.
Don't get all ahead of yourself with clever names for the offspring, breeding is a minimum 2 flowering cycle process.
You've got to make the seeds (let's say 9-10 weeks), dry'em (another 2 weeks), then plant'em and flower them (another 9-10 weeks), and then dry and cure the flowers (4-5 weeks) before you know what you've got.
So 26 weeks later, or 6 months from now, you'll know how successful your efforts have been.
Take your time and have fun with it, gardening is the art of patience.
I hope this helped, good luck.

 

[derfmasta]

Exactly what I wanted to hear. The fems are in flower now. Just sprouted a single reg mystery odds are low on a power male first bean. Took some cuttings from the fems, just to take a good look at them. But hope to get a plan together. just wanted to know if they are worth the efforts. I don't want to start with junk.

 

[robert 14617]

i've grown out some seed from real sorry swag dirt brick weed from mex and it turned out to be magic

 

[RawBudzski]

My 5year old seed I found in the bottom of my safe I have going now is frostier & smells more dank than my Tahoe OG clones i got from a clinic. Though I used to smoke some good iish back then too..was prolly some kush bag I happened to find a seed or two in.

 

[unohu69]

Im wondering if there are any general guidelines in breeding. like are females mostly responsible for trich production, or height. males for stalk strength and bud size, or anything like that, or is it really just hit or miss ??

 

[Bad Karma]

Im wondering if there are any general guidelines in breeding. like are females mostly responsible for trich production, or height. males for stalk strength and bud size, or anything like that, or is it really just hit or miss ??

It's hit or miss till you learn the traits the parents are passing on.
Once Subcool knew what traits his Space Queen male (aka Space Dude) passed on, like increases trich production and heavy resin, he could better gauge how each cross they made came out.
This is why you want to grow a large batch of your homemade seeds to find the stand outs that meet your approval.
Genetics are, in part, luck of the draw.

 

[robert 14617]

http://www.ableweb.org/volumes/vol-18/13-blumer.pdf
you need to start with info learn as much as you can before just rubbing two plants together

 

[DSB65]

http://www.ableweb.org/volumes/vol-18/13-blumer.pdf
you need to start with info learn as much as you can before just rubbing two plants together

guess i need to read this to....

 

[robert 14617]

no that was an example of mustered plants , i just put it up so the op can see that info is out on breeding that will apply to mj

 

[unohu69]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/56390060/Cannabis-Breeders-Guide-Greg-Green-2005-OCR-200dpi-80-Egykalapalatt

The best I can get ya at the moment.

 

[Budologist420]

http://www.ableweb.org/volumes/vol-18/13-blumer.pdf
you need to start with info learn as much as you can before just rubbing two plants together

wow plus rep!




Thank you for that i just scanned over it and it looks like an amazing read.

 

[unohu69]

No problem, I just figured out how to dl the books from scribd, yay...

 

[derfmasta]

Thanks for the links. I will keep everyone posted. I'm still having problems posting pics. I'll try to get some posted and start a journal. So all can see the processes

 

[Omgwtfbbq Indicaman]

I wouldn't breed with fem seeds(im dealing with the consequences right now) but i believe you can get some good females and males from nirvana, it depends on what you want to breed with and what the actual offspring turn out to be.\


growing some Nirvana-Blue mystic as we speak
[video=youtube;CklsA5oe37U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CklsA5oe37U&feature=plcp&context=C3f29ee7U DOEgsToPDskKYpjxdbEzy4_albL9g9eFk[/video]

they should be done by feb 1st, pissed me off since they dont take too kind to fim/topping.

 

[Bad Karma]

I wouldn't breed with fem seeds(im dealing with the consequences right now)

Would you mind sharing with us what those consequences are?
So many people out there say breeding with fems is fine, I'd love to see some hard evidence that proves otherwise.
Thanks.

 

[derfmasta]

I'm wondering the consequences also. Herming? I know every mj plant can herm some more than others. I also remember my uncle tought me that if a plant with herm problems will be less likely to herm if pollinated. I have never tested this.

 

[unohu69]

I found these links last night while looking up information also.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/node/394

http://www.weedguru.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=26629


You may find it useful. personally im interested in any genetic studies linking hermies to passing on the hermie trait. im tired of hearsay and theory's.
I was in the line of thinking that the plant if it hermies is only interested in carrying on the line, so it makes sense that seeds would stand a even chance of being male or female. but again i have no evidence to suggest it yet, i would need a hermie that pollinates itself, and one other plant to test that seed stock to see if any of those have a higher average of herms or not.






* Edit:


From The cannabis Breeders Bible - Greg Green pg. 52



"If you find a dioecious cannabis strain that has the hermaphrodite condition you
can separate this plant from the rest and allow selfing to occur. I f the male pollen
is viable on this plant then the hermaphrodite wil l produce seeds. Selfed plants
that produce seeds wil l eventually generate offspring that :

1. Are al l female

2. Are al l hermaphrodite

3. Produce male, female and hermaphrodite plants because the environment also
influences the final sexual expression of the selfed plant

4. Express limited variation from the original selfed plant

Breeders should note that it is nearly impossible for a hermaphrodite to create
male plants although environment can influence males to appear.
Hermaphrodites usually create female-only and hermaphrodite seeds. The
female-only seeds often carry the hermaphrodite trait . Selfing has become popular
among those who wish to breed all-female or feminized seeds. Unfortunately
feminized seeds do very little for the cannabis gene pool as the hermaphrodite
condition prevents growers from generating a sinsemilla crop.


Well-informed breeders tend to shy away from producing feminized seeds.
Feminized seeds should only be used for bud production and not for breeding.
Generating seeds from feminized plants is only advised for personal use and not
for distribution. "

I thought it was worthwhile to post that...

 

[derfmasta]

I do not want fem seeds. I was going to use a supper male on a feminised plant. But I want to find out how strong the tendincy to herm out is beforehand.

 

[Bad Karma]

I do not want fem seeds. I was going to use a supper male on a feminised plant. But I want to find out how strong the tendincy to herm out is beforehand.

Do a full flowering run with the female plant.