Math and why I hate it.

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Trig functions are a sort of geometry numerized. They are numbers that describe the vector components of a (normalized) radius projected onto Cartesian coordinates. So now ... you know. ;) cn

<edit> As for zero ... I know nothing. :mrgreen: cn
 

KidneyStoner420

Well-Known Member
Math REALLY isn't that hard. Some people just do really well with it.

My teachers used to give me shit because I never showed my work on tests. I just did it in my head most of the time, and I'm sure they assumed I was cheating. I even got moved to the front of the classroom once so she could keep an eye on me.
 

guy incognito

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I hate having to do multiple calculations simultaneously, or complicated formulae because you basically have to trust someone else's equation and it's not often explained how whoever invented it got to that conclusions. I like trigonometry, but no one will tell you how anyone arrived at SIN COS and TAN, you just use them. I hate the assumed and theoretical side of mathematics and the fact you are handling intangible data. And what the fuck IS zero anyway? I struggled through basic math and my teachers thought I was faking being stupid because they think all autistic kids are supposed to be savants. Well, I needed a learning assistant to explain it to me in a different way, scribe for me, I had separate exercises, used coloured pencils and highlighters to create a coded system that I could understand the chunks of an equation in. After 2 months of hard work I went from Ds to straight A's. I wasn't stupid, I have a disability.
We had to spend a significant amount of time doing proofs, so that we did understand why we were allowed to use certain equations and relationships. If fact every time a new formula or rule was introduced to us the first thing we did was break it down into the fundamental components and prove it was equivalent.
 

bowlfullofbliss

Well-Known Member
Nah, they did a good job, I'm just fucking stupid.
At least you're honest......

How do you do the math for growing? Every damn thing I use is labeled in ML's per Liter.....when is the rest of the world going to realize that the US is right about everything, and use the right method of measurement LOL! I have to use a fing' calculator to work my nutes. Damn Dutch people.......
 

NoahEbin

Active Member
The MOST important thing you should learn about math is calculating Daily Compound Interest (like on all your credit cards and house mortgage).

People usually understand that higher interest rates are bad and that it costs money to borrow money. What people do not fully comprehend is just how insidious the way banks calculate your interest rate is. Because banks/lenders know that people are bad at math (like Massah says, Failed public school education) they take advantage of that. For more info, read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card_interest

Here is what you need to know. If your interest rate is 20% on a card and you charge it up to $10,000, it is easy to assume that that will equate to $2,000 of interest in one year. Now let's look at what these evil bank fuckers actually rip you for:

They get to use what is called Compounding Daily Simple Interest. Simply put, they take your balance for that day (Day 1 is $10,000) then they take the rate divided by 365 (0.20/365 = 0.00055) which is 0.055%. For simplicity, it is easier to just stay with the decimal rate and not % to keep the numbers in dollars, so here goes:

Here is the example without Compounding Daily Simple Interest

$10,000 X 0.00055 = $5.5 per day of interest X 365 days per year = $2007.50 which is the figure you would get if you take the listed APR (annual being yearly) times the balance. Here is a good calculator to use: http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/calculators/compoundinterestcalculator

Now here is what the bank fuckers actually do:

$10,000 X 0.00055 = $5.50 added back to the balance for $10,005.50.
Then on Day 2 they take $10,005.50 X 0.00055 = $10,011.00
Then the cycle keeps on repeating, here is the new balance in just one month (30 days) = $10,160

So if you are trying to pay this off, if you pay $160 a month on the balance, which is a lot of money to most people, you would never pay the balance off, not in your entire lifetime . . . think about that . . .

Now refer back to what an actual APR of 20% should be = $2,000 of interest in a year. What is it actually you ask? The answer is $2,214.60

Ever wondered what the difference between APR and APY is? Well if you run these calculations on your bills and your investments, you will see the importance. The actual APY for this CC is $2,214.60/$10,000 = 22.15% and not the 20% that they claim they are charging you.

When you have money at a bank earning let's say 5% APY on the balance, they fuck you over there too. You do not get the benefit of the compounding daily interest. The same bank will be charging you an APY of 22.15% (saying your APR is only 20%) and you can have an investment at that bank where they pay APY of 5%, but it is actually an APR of 4.88%, which yields (APY) 5%. So basically, you are getting fucked coming and going :P

Which is why you should smoke a joint so you don't get too upset about it. :bigjoint:

This is why math (especially Money Math) is important. Next lesson, I'll explain why it's important to understand the difference between what you think things cost, and what they actually cost. Best to smoke a joint so you don't get too upset about getting fucked coming and going.

:weed:
 

sso

Well-Known Member
i dont see the point of advanced math for most people.

you just dont use it in most areas of life.

about banks.

dont come fucking near them, unless you have to.

dont use their services, dont borrow and definetly dont borrow big.

they will fuck you. (more like rape you repeatedly anally and without lubrication)

under No circumstances should you consider the banks your friends. (or even remotely working in your best interests (or anything even approaching that))
 

sso

Well-Known Member
but yeah, basically banks use nonsense math.

its how you can borrow 10 grand and end up paying 110 grand.

completely legally of course, but these interest rates would make loan sharks in vegas blanch.

banks are nothing but criminals (and guess what that makes the government, nothing but a fucking protection racket)
 

guy incognito

Well-Known Member
But the beautiful thing about math is that no matter how much you have to pay back the terms are the terms, and you could have calculated the exact amount from day 1 before you ever signed or agreed to anything. So really it's your own fault for not understanding the terms of something you agreed to.

Better advice (although this does make more sense once you understand how to calculate interest) is to never carry credit card debt. Do not buy anything you don't have the cash for. Don't have enough physical cash in your hand or in your bank account? Then you can't afford it! It's as simple as that! The credit card should simply be a tool you use to build credit, and a safe guard against carrying large sums of cold hard cash on your person. You should not use it for actual credit.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The MOST important thing you should learn about math is calculating Daily Compound Interest (like on all your credit cards and house mortgage).

People usually understand that higher interest rates are bad and that it costs money to borrow money. What people do not fully comprehend is just how insidious the way banks calculate your interest rate is. Because banks/lenders know that people are bad at math (like Massah says, Failed public school education) they take advantage of that. For more info, read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_card_interest

Here is what you need to know. If your interest rate is 20% on a card and you charge it up to $10,000, it is easy to assume that that will equate to $2,000 of interest in one year. Now let's look at what these evil bank fuckers actually rip you for:

They get to use what is called Compounding Daily Simple Interest. Simply put, they take your balance for that day (Day 1 is $10,000) then they take the rate divided by 365 (0.20/365 = 0.00055) which is 0.055%. For simplicity, it is easier to just stay with the decimal rate and not % to keep the numbers in dollars, so here goes:

Here is the example without Compounding Daily Simple Interest

$10,000 X 0.00055 = $5.5 per day of interest X 365 days per year = $2007.50 which is the figure you would get if you take the listed APR (annual being yearly) times the balance. Here is a good calculator to use: http://www.thecalculatorsite.com/finance/calculators/compoundinterestcalculator

Now here is what the bank fuckers actually do:

$10,000 X 0.00055 = $5.50 added back to the balance for $10,005.50.
Then on Day 2 they take $10,005.50 X 0.00055 = $10,011.00
Then the cycle keeps on repeating, here is the new balance in just one month (30 days) = $10,160

So if you are trying to pay this off, if you pay $160 a month on the balance, which is a lot of money to most people, you would never pay the balance off, not in your entire lifetime . . . think about that . . .

Now refer back to what an actual APR of 20% should be = $2,000 of interest in a year. What is it actually you ask? The answer is $2,214.60

Ever wondered what the difference between APR and APY is? Well if you run these calculations on your bills and your investments, you will see the importance. The actual APY for this CC is $2,214.60/$10,000 = 22.15% and not the 20% that they claim they are charging you.

When you have money at a bank earning let's say 5% APY on the balance, they fuck you over there too. You do not get the benefit of the compounding daily interest. The same bank will be charging you an APY of 22.15% (saying your APR is only 20%) and you can have an investment at that bank where they pay APY of 5%, but it is actually an APR of 4.88%, which yields (APY) 5%. So basically, you are getting fucked coming and going :P

Which is why you should smoke a joint so you don't get too upset about it. :bigjoint:

This is why math (especially Money Math) is important. Next lesson, I'll explain why it's important to understand the difference between what you think things cost, and what they actually cost. Best to smoke a joint so you don't get too upset about getting fucked coming and going.

:weed:
One-sentence summary: compound interest is exponential. cn
 
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