Need Help on what this def is...

[Da Almighty Jew]

Does anybody know what this is from?
Its on a 4 week old nlx skunk (attitude freebe, anybody remember who breeder was?).
none of my other strains are showing anything wrong with them (querkle, sweeth tooth, indica viper)
under 400 watt hps
roots organic wth dolomite and azomite.
i have used about a half tablespoon total of epsom salts with other waterings

last feed was with maxicrop liquid fish 5ml per gal
indonesian bat guano 0.2, 13, 0.3 half tablespoon per 3 gallons
natures nectar potassium half tablspoon per 3gal
botanicare cal mag teaspoon per gal ( prior waterings i used like 2ml per gal) - maybe cal/mag def?
diamon nectar teaspoon per gal
pro tekt silicon 2ml per gal
florablend teaspoon per gal
hygrozyme 5ml per gal
floralicious 1 ml per gal
roots excellerator 1 ml per gal
molasses hi brix half tablespoon per 3 gal
super thrive drop per gal
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[Senseimilla]

Seems like with what you are supplying the plant it shouldn't be a deficiency, therefore I suspect a ph issue/nutrient lockout coming on. Have you checked ph of what you're feeding and soil ph? Seems like you are giving it a lot of stuff for a 4 week old plant. Are you doing the supersoil recipe or your own custom mix? Are you steeping/aerating that brew before you feed or just giving it to the plant straight?

PS - curious why you are giving it high P guano in week 4 of veg? to promote rooting?

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

bump.. come on anybody else? i think it is P def but i would like to hear what you guys think.

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

Seems like with what you are supplying the plant it shouldn't be a deficiency, therefore I suspect a ph issue/nutrient lockout coming on. Have you checked ph of what you're feeding and soil ph? Seems like you are giving it a lot of stuff for a 4 week old plant. Are you doing the supersoil recipe or your own custom mix? Are you steeping/aerating that brew before you feed or just giving it to the plant straight?

PS - curious why you are giving it high P guano in week 4 of veg? to promote rooting?

thanks but i used dolomite so i cant be having ph issues.

 

[Bargar]

What is your soil mix? that definately looks like a PH lockout. Dolomite lime takes several months to be fully effective, but it can be effective a little faster if you grind the granules into a powder.

TEST THAT SOIL! Take a sample of your soil, and some "distilled" water, and mix them up well into a mud slurpee. Let it sit for 10mins then use PH strips, or a PH meter to check its PH. Usually I have to stir my PH meter in the water for 5-10mins until it stops moving, for an accurate reading. Do that and get back to us!

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

dude i already pointed out that im using roots organic, with dolomite and azomite. btw im using epsom garden lime breaks down in days instead of monthes.

 

[af571]

i cant really see that well but are parts of the leaves turning blackish? if so im having the same issue. which looks like a P deficiency but my ph is spot on. i am using super soil with roots organic

 

[hyphae]

where is this occuring in the canopy of the plant? at the tops? lower branches? mid canopy? also how large are these plants?

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

i know im gonna have to post a better pic.. parts of the older leaves are turning brownish(dead). i think it is a P def too. Because i haven't really been feeding too much P. i was using 2.5ml of indonesian bat guano per gallon. I thought it was ok because they are young but my northern lights X skunk is showing def. i bumped it up to a tablespoon of indonesian bat guano per gal and cut out most of my additives.I did that yesterday. I can't really see a big difference but i think they are looking a tad better.

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

ill brb gonna snap a pic!

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

where is this occuring in the canopy of the plant? at the tops? lower branches? mid canopy? also how large are these plants?

at the bottom and working its way up.

 

[Wetdog]

It's a FREEBIE. Think that might be a clue?

NONE of the other plants are showing a problem, another clue.

With all the 'stuff' you have going in, or added, there is no way you have a deficiency of any sorts.

Funky *free* genetics, pretty much sums it up. You get what you pay for.

Wet

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

wetdog, so you think 2.5ml of indonesian bat guano per gal is enough? i think that is what is causing a deficiency.. besides if you look at my ingredients there isn't much PHOS in there.
its not in the florablend,floralicious, barely any in liquid fish, none in natures nectar, none in hygrozyme, none in silicon... besides some freebies are awesome.. the indica viper i got looks nice, so does this nlx skunk except for this shit.

most of the leaves have a bluish tint to them in my garden, and i see some brown spots on lower leaves on querkle

 

[scroglodyte]

too many nutes, i would guess, by looking at the list.........

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

the leaves look a little blueish-green, is that signs of phos deficiency? too lazy to check. 1 month old..

 

[Senseimilla]

dude i already pointed out that im using roots organic, with dolomite and azomite. btw im using epsom garden lime breaks down in days instead of monthes.

Just because you are using lime doesn't mean you can't have ph issues. Too much lime and you can easily buffer yourself into alkaline soil instead of acidic. The goal for your soal is to be ph 6.5 -- lime does not naturally produce a soil of 6.5 - it buffers against acidic soil to help raise the ph to 6.5 in the proper quantity compared to what is causing the soil to turn acidic. Not saying it has anything to do with the lime, just that the fact that you have lime in your soil isn't going to guarantee you no soil pH issues - I'm not sure where you heard that. Lime does not guarantee against lockout issues. It's only to help if you have acidic soil. What's your soil pH? If you don't know what it is there's no way you can know for sure you don't have a lockout issue going on.



Why are you stuck on P deficiency? You're in veg while your plant needs P it's unlikely you're going to get a P deficiency with what you're giving it. I've never had a plant that had a P deficiency in veg. Leaves turning brown and dieing like you're describing is a symptom of too many nutes. Like the other person said, it could just be an unlucky plant that does not like too much nutes. For example, some blueberries are very nute sensitive. I'm still not sure why you are giving your plant high P bat guano in veg instead of high N or balanced N-P guano. FYI guanos can be acidic. You say you are using lime that is active within a few days, that means its effects wear off sooner. Do you know what ph the water is going into the soil? Are you steeping that tea or feeding it to the plant directly without sitting?

Did you say whether this is the supersoil recipe or your own mix? If it's supersoil you are definitely putting too much stuff in.

 

[Wetdog]

wetdog, so you think 2.5ml of indonesian bat guano per gal is enough? i think that is what is causing a deficiency.. besides if you look at my ingredients there isn't much PHOS in there.
its not in the florablend,floralicious, barely any in liquid fish, none in natures nectar, none in hygrozyme, none in silicon... besides some freebies are awesome.. the indica viper i got looks nice, so does this nlx skunk except for this shit.

most of the leaves have a bluish tint to them in my garden, and i see some brown spots on lower leaves on querkle

I have no idea, never used the IBG.

I'm not big on super high phos, but bump it up and see what's what.

LOL, RIU isn't going to help you at all, not even me. This is trial and error stuff for YOUR grow and YOUR environment.

I'm not trying to be flip, just a fact of life, or growing. You'll get all sorts of advice, but you will learn on your own, from experience.

So, experiment a little with this plant.

Wet

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

Just because you are using lime doesn't mean you can't have ph issues. Too much lime and you can easily buffer yourself into alkaline soil instead of acidic. The goal for your soal is to be ph 6.5 -- lime does not naturally produce a soil of 6.5 - it buffers against acidic soil to help raise the ph to 6.5 in the proper quantity compared to what is causing the soil to turn acidic. Not saying it has anything to do with the lime, just that the fact that you have lime in your soil isn't going to guarantee you no soil pH issues - I'm not sure where you heard that. Lime does not guarantee against lockout issues. It's only to help if you have acidic soil. What's your soil pH? If you don't know what it is there's no way you can know for sure you don't have a lockout issue going on.



Why are you stuck on P deficiency? You're in veg while your plant needs P it's unlikely you're going to get a P deficiency with what you're giving it. I've never had a plant that had a P deficiency in veg. Leaves turning brown and dieing like you're describing is a symptom of too many nutes. Like the other person said, it could just be an unlucky plant that does not like too much nutes. For example, some blueberries are very nute sensitive. I'm still not sure why you are giving your plant high P bat guano in veg instead of high N or balanced N-P guano. FYI guanos can be acidic. You say you are using lime that is active within a few days, that means its effects wear off sooner. Do you know what ph the water is going into the soil? Are you steeping that tea or feeding it to the plant directly without sitting?

Did you say whether this is the supersoil recipe or your own mix? If it's supersoil you are definitely putting too much stuff in.

I mixed in an ounce of lime per bag. that should be enough to not cause ph issues.
im not steeping the tea. the reason why im using high p quano is because its what i have at the moment and i think it could do for both veg and flower. besides when you make super soil the plant gets doses of high amounts of P while in veg still.

 

[Da Almighty Jew]

I dont even really use that many nutes. just alot of diffrent shit. I'm going to make my feedings simpler though so the plant can uptake what it needs without burning or not absorbing, whatever is going on! just liquid fish, Indo bat guano, natures nectar P and cal mag. Im not gonna use anything else for a week or so. No enzymes, silicon, humic acids or molasses.

 

[Wetdog]

I mixed in an ounce of lime per bag. that should be enough to not cause ph issues.
im not steeping the tea. the reason why im using high p quano is because its what i have at the moment and i think it could do for both veg and flower. besides when you make super soil the plant gets doses of high amounts of P while in veg still.

A OUNCE per 1.5cf bag? That in YO should be enough? I would use 1.5 CUPS for that same bag. JMO

It's hard to over apply lime, but easy enough to UNDER apply it. Again, JMO.

Wet