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pharmacoping

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8. The THC Pathway
The terpene pathway is important to understand both because it serves as a model for theother biosynthesis reactions, such as the THC pathway, and because the terpene geranyldiphosphate is needed in THC biosynthesis. Similar reactions, albeit at different rates andlocations, occur within plant cells that result in production of THC. The chemicalstructure of THC was first determined in the 1930’s (Pertwee, 2006). Knowing thecomplete pathway to its production is considered an important piece of
Cannabis
biotechnology.
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ShownhereisthemolecularstructureofTHCAandTHCwitharrowspointingtothevariationinthesidegroup.THCAisthecomponentin
Cannabis
plantsanditisnotuntilitisburnedthatTHCisformed.
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Interestingly, it is not until THCA is burned that it becomes chemically modified into amore psychoactive form, which is THC (Hazekamp et al., 2005). The burning causes adecarboxylation reaction, or a loss of a carbon group that is on the THCA molecule,thereby converting it to the more psychoactive THC molecule.However, the THCA component of
Cannabis
is the precursor of THC, so its formationand accumulation within the plant influences the amount of THC when the plant issmoked. Again, part of the THCA molecule is derived from the terpene geranyl















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diphosphate. Synthesis of THCA begins when a molecule of geranyl diphosphate (amonoterpene) is joined to a phenolic ring (a circular molecule with six-carbons). This iswhy THC is sometimes referred to as a terpenophenolic. Because it has a few extramolecular attachments, the phenolic ring is called olivetolic acid and it is through theenzyme geranylpyrophosphate:olivetolate geranyltransferase that forms cannabigerolicacid, or CBGA. The final product after CBGA formation is THCA by way of tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (TCHA) synthase. Subsequently, high levels TCHA arefound in
Cannabis
trichome cavity (Sirikantaramas et al., 2005).
 Alookinsidethe
Cannabis
cell,showinggeranyldiphosphateandolivetolicacidcombiningtoyieldTHCA.

The pathway leading to olivetolic acid is most likely synthesized from three molecules of hexanoyl-CoA. However, work remains to be done to in order to understand the synthesisof THCA in its fullest extent. Details on each enzymatic reaction, their substrates andtheir products have been recently provided (Taura et al., 2007).With all this biochemistry comes the curiosity of why
Cannabis
has evolved to produceTHC-like molecules. It has been hypothesized that the molecules can act as a sunscreenfor the plant (Lydon et al., 1987). In fact, research has shown that THC can absorb UVlight, thus the plants are protected from harmful radiation. Additionally, THC precursorshave believed to have antimicrobial activities, therefore these cannabinoids may also playa role in plant defense.Since the part of the biochemical pathway of THC has been elucidated, picking some of the genes from the pathway for transgenic manipulation is possible. For example, if















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THCA synthase is attached to the CAMV35S promoter it will be highly over expressed.This would produce transgenic lines of
Cannabis
that are loaded with THCA.Putting these genes into other plants may serve useful to people in countries where
Cannabis
cultivation is illegal. One species of plant that might be desirable to geneticallymodify with THC genes is the weed species,
Amaranthus retroflexus
. This plant is in thefamily Amaranthaceae, also known as the pigweed family. The common name for this plant is redroot pigweed and is consumed as a food in some parts of the world (Kong etal., 2009).One reason for its candidacy for genetic modification stems from the fact that it is aweed; it grows along railroad tracks, in ditches, and even between cracks in the middle of parking lots. Therefore, very little labor would be required from the cultivator to maintainhealthy pigweed plants.A second reason for its candidacy is that the flowers of pigweed are large and bulky. Thiswould provide the obvious advantage of producing large quantities of finished product.Additionally, it needs little water, grows rapidly, produces lots of seed, and tolerates poor soil and harsh growing conditions. In many respects it behaves like
Cannabis
, but islegal. Growing a few plants of pigweed would not send the police to your house. For instance, growing pigweed next to your tomato plants in your garden would not seem thatstrange. Neighbors would not give the situation a second thought.
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Amaranthusretroflexus
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The prospect of growing a legal THC-containing plant might also seem alluring tomedical marijuana users. Within the US, medical marijuana is currently legal in only ahandful of states. While other countries have legalized or promoted the use of medical
Cannabis
, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has historically declaredmarijuana to have only limited medical potential. This is contrary to continuing scientificfindings and the fact remains many patients currently use medicinal marijuana with or without a doctor's recommendation.The inflorescence (flower) of pigweed can be much larger and bulkier than marijuana,which would allow for production of large amounts of medication for medical marijuana patients. The biotechnology for producing transformed, THC-containing plants might bean effective way to bypass legal issues and still allow sufferers of chronic illnesses toself-medicate. Since
Amaranthus
is known to harbor terpenoid biosynthetic pathways,inserting the THCA synthase gene should result in THC production.Transforming a plant with one gene is relatively straightforward. Inserting multiplegenes, called gene stacking, has proven to be more difficult. In the past researchers had todo laborious transformations starting with one gene, then grow the plant into an adult,and breed it for multiple generations. Only then could they use this stem tissue for creating calluses and insert a second gene. Success was far and few between. Fortunately,many new vector systems, mainly in the form of plasmids, have shown to be moreversatile in their capacity to deliver multiple genes simultaneously (Dafny-Yelin andTzfira, 2007). The emergence of artificial plant chromosomes has allowed putting severalgenes together and inserting them into a vector. With time, the complete THC pathwaywill undoubtedly be inserted into other plant species.













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9. Smoking Roses and Other Proposals
There are limitless ways in which
Cannabis
and biotechnology will influence oneanother. Having a basic knowledge of science and biology is imperative, but having animagination might prove equally as important. However, thinking of concepts andapplying logical ideas to them begins with a solid science education. This allows one togather reasonable arguments as to possibilities of
Cannabis
transformation that may arisein the near future.Work has already begun with yeast cells (Taura et al., 2007). These small fungi weregenetically modified to express the THCA synthase gene. Workers from the same labwere also responsible for transforming tobacco, albeit under special conditions(Sirikantaramas et al., 2004).

For example, the THCA synthase enzyme had to be provided with the THCA precursor molecule (cannabigerolic acid). The tobacco cellswere also grown in vitro. Nevertheless, the gene for THCA synthesis has been shown tohave the ability to successfully transfer and expressed in organisms other than
Cannabis
.Some of the fastest advances in improving
Cannabis
and other plants have been throughapplication of chemicals or hormones. For example, inducing chromosomal duplicationsin plants has been occurring since the discovery of colchicine. This chemical interfereswith the proteins that pull chromosomes apart during cell division. Applying colchicinehas been shown to cause complete genome duplications. Sometimes this leads todoubling of all gene products and not just the genes. It follows, then, that a
Cannabis
plant treated with colchicine might result in production of twice as much THC than anuntreated plant.Although colchicine is commercially available, performing more drastic geneticexperiments are not so easily available. These require special aseptic conditions andaccess to the necessary technology. Once these obstacles are overcome, transforming
Cannabis
with any gene is simply a game of experimentation.It is indeed possible to control genes and cause them to be upregulated in order toincrease their gene product. To do this, the known gene has to be attached, or ligated, to aspecial region that communicates this to the
Cannabis
cell. This region is called a promoter region, since it promotes the expression of that gene. The promoter region sits just ahead of the gene along the chromosome.Some promoter regions have been found to have such strong expression activity, that theyare routinely used in plant biotechnology. One such promoter is called the CaMV 35S promoter (Venter, 2007). This promoter was first found in a virus, then carefullyremoved, and finally ligated to a plant gene. When researchers did this they found thatwhatever gene was attached resulted in a constant expression of that gene. The CaMV35S promoter has since proven to be a useful promoter to make transgenic plants thatexpress large amounts of a foreign gene.Since there is overlap of the THC and terpene biosynthetic pathways, adding an













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additional two or three terpene genes to
Cannabis
will likely result in that terpene product. For example, many fruit scents and flavors are terpenes. Most anyone is familiar with the citrus smell of an orange, grapefruit or lemon. This smell is the result of aterpene known as limonene.The biosynthesis of limonene is so well understood that there are multiple transgenic plants that have been made expressing limonene. Putting the limonene gene into
Cannabis
would give the buds a citrus-like smell. While some may find this aestheticallyappealing, others might simply enjoy something different. From a practical standpoint,the paranoia of indoor growers might decrease upon learning that the smell their neighbors are complaining about is lemons rather than from marijuana cultivation.Since the precursor molecules needed early in the pathway of THC are known, increasingthese initial pathway substrates might result in more THC production. IPP and DMAPPare the starting materials for terpenes. Upregulating the genes (isopentenyl diphosphatesynthase and dimethylallyl diphosphate synthase) would provide this possibility. Thesegene sequences are known in other plants, therefore a model for isolation andamplification of the
Cannabis
IPP and DMAPP synthase genes is available.Another interesting experiment focuses around
Cannabis
flowers. Many roses arecurrently sold as so called, double roses. This is because they have two whorls of petals,not just one, as in typical roses. This was brought about not by genetic modification, butthrough discovery of a mutant double flowered rose. The mutant was subsequently bredwith other roses to distribute the mutation through the offspring. Selection for doubleroses and crossing between double roses produced only double roses, so much in fact,that there are complete genetic lines of double flowered roses.One of the most prominent desires from
Cannabis
growers is to increase yield. Manycultivators would rather grow one plant that yields 2 kilos than to grow five or six plantsthat produced this same amount. Luckily for
Cannabis
growers, a single gene controlsflower size, at least in some plant species. Upregulating this gene then, would be of hugeimportance to the
Cannabis
community.A different approach to making larger flowers in
Cannabis
would be to express the genefor petals. The transcription factors of the ABC flowering model could be exploited tofacilitate this goal. Although
Cannabis
lacks petals, manipulation of the ABCtranscription factors could overcome this barrier.Conversely, ignoring the petals and focusing on the sepals could produce a similar outcome. Luckily enough, the A transcription factor controls both sepal and petal production. Therefore, up-regulating the A transcription factor would likely result in budswith enlarged petals and sepals. Ultimately, different experiments would be required tofind the best combination of which genes to up-regulate. In addition to larger buds, producing many more buds seems just as important.













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Perhaps the goal should not be to make larger flowers or have more of them. Consideringhow plants make their food might equally result in an increase in growth of its buds or atleast the time needed. For example, if the genes for photosynthesis are upregulated,conferring hyper-photosynthetic ability, may shorten the time needed to grow
Cannabis
in the vegetative stage.
Cannabis
producers could have the vegetative state of
Cannabis
finish in two months instead of four months.The possibility also exists that one can manipulate the genetic expression of trichomes.The gene for trichome production has been found and described in detail. With trial anderror, a
Cannabis
plant with twice as many trichomes might result in twice as much THC.Alternatively, the entire
Cannabis
plant can be discarded. Inserting THC-synthesizinggenes into any plant that can be cultured in vitro is a possibility. Roses with THC- producing flowers may soon be available to everyday gardeners. The benefits would beobvious. Since roses are perennials, their flowers can be harvested every year, sometimesmore than one time a year. Roses also have the unique characteristic of being able to bloom multiple times in a season, which would provide a continuous supply of TCH-containing flowers.Before
Cannabis
consumers celebrate these transgenic advances with too muchexcitement, there remains a caveat. If marijuana seed companies choose, they might use amethod similar to that which the agricultural biotech seed companies have chosen. For example, in some transgenic food crops a suicide gene is inserted into the seed so the person harvesting the crop will be unable to use seed from that crop for planting thefollowing year. The suicide gene essentially renders the seed infertile. This was themethod that the large agricultural giant Monsanto used in their “terminator” technology.If a seed company has invested many months or years developing a plant, they may deemit necessary to protect its secrets and stay in business. For now at least, marijuana seedcompanies appear to be following a different philosophy than that of today’s corporateagricultural giants.
 

nitro20%

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ok sorry for my newbie-ness. 1st stage cutting from good veg. plant and place in????medium mixed with 1 liter water, agar,2 tbls. sugar>> nutrients:fox farm (hydroponics)big grow at 1/4 tsp per L.., shoots:nitro-zyme or super nova@ 3 drops, vitamin: super thrive or vita-max plus@3 drops.for P.P.M. i got nacdd dilute @ 1/8 teaspoon 750 ml water>>>use 20ml per 1 liter of med. mix.then ph @ 6.5. but i dont have a digital ppm meter so ill have to measure it out.. am i on the right track. thought i was going to do this thing....but i have to set up for THE GROW. got hepa filter custom oak cabinet and aquariums. man ive been around mj for as long as i could pull myself up the stocks to stand in the garden in yuma az.who would have thought that this would be the norm to grow THE BEST. well thats if u can get up get out and be open to learn a little, insteed of WHY U WANT TO DO-DAT???attitude.me im not a pot store whore, my pot is not in every store, not even one. yeah i know. "it must suck" whatever!!!i grow things cause of this: if u want 1 week of happiness,, get married,,,if u want 1 year of happiness buy a pig,,,if u want to have everlasting joy,, PLANT A GARDEN!!yep in this for self person growth,learning,and life.
 

nitro20%

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stage two i guess is the multiplication of first stage suvivers.right? then for stage 3,,i add some iba and/or naa to the first stage med mix, witch in my case i want to use dip and grow or woods it has high amount of iba/naa and then seperate cultured growth into this med. till roots appear at 1/4 to ? long, then to a soil pot,dome,e.t.c. this process said took 40 days.am i on the right track on the rootin part.or do roots appear with this stage one mix???like i said ive been flooded with so many web pages and studies the basics are gone and i havent even made a medium yet.
 

nitro20%

Active Member
apparently pot made me forget that us pot heads over think stuff. i have a friend that works at a nursery and has a degree in botany, yes i got a friend,,,,, anyway this aint that hard. i thought shoot development means foliage and stock, then roots,,,k so shoot development stage one.....water, agar, sugar, ppm, and dip and grow (for the iba)thats it, hopefully 10 to 14 days. then add my very mild nutrients. she said that all the last recipe would have done is probaly create a hot box and fryed them>>>says it with experience.says DONT OVER THINK IT. 7th and 8th graders are doing it with less sanitary grow areas.
 

pharmacoping

Active Member
lysol spray is a must have in the home lab, for the area,traffic, etc.

my stage one is establishment and multiplication of callus material achieved with a basic medium, ppm,BAP. thats it. then on to stage two for rooting, further multiplication, then up shoot production in stage three. I see results in days, not weeks in stage one. rooting is quite fast also, 1 inch foliage takes a little bit longer.
I used crushed vitamins 20 yrs ago, so it aint rocket science. less is always better. hormones should be dilute 1mg/1ml before you use them. most of the hormones mentioned are used in some combination in all stages, sometimes. yo uwont be able to add anything to the culture successfully, unless you're bridging or suspending it, so transfer explant into its new bath each time it changes. sugar agar and root dip will make really cool results, without any nutes, for a little while. If you were to take an eyedropper full/5 ml maybe, of your vegetating reservoir, that would be good for 1 litre of medium, for your thoughts.
 

nitro20%

Active Member
yeah see? this is not that hard.yeah i get it...so its the as any thing, when the plant/plantlet runs out of it own nutrients, in this case hopefully 10 to 14 days, then i will add nutrients in a new batch of medium changing the plantlets to new jars. (reservoir idea great but im a dirt guy) but i know what u mean...well got my light, and poly sealing tape.its for putting that winter plastic on windows from ace.not gonna get not do this to night,,,but im almost ready with the storage area.tomorrow!!!its goes down tomorrow.so have you done just leaves, or is leaveing most of the stock better?I have original blue dream (not that seed they got)and its going south and north. ha ha !its hermie'im on men due to re-cuting mothers,and i live in north cali ,1 inch of snow and the power goes out.not good no power on off 4-5 days 2,3,5,8,7,hrs light,dark who knew.the breakers pop. saves ballasts though.so can tissue culture retrieve the original genetics of a plant that was PURE BAD ASS FEMALE???that is why this interest me so much,i could go get another one but that would be suicide!!!!I live in CALIFORNIA where newbie grows/and farmers alike created the one and only 2 spotted mite.unkillable for most.fuck that!!!:finger:
 

pharmacoping

Active Member
I think I've used every square inch of several strains and decided that a new growing shoot on a laterla branch, midsection is my best cut. shaved, even the cambian layer after the sterilizing gets scraped off, and the stem from about 1/2 inch down 1/2 submerged or, suspended in medium. I got most parts of the plant to root, and shoot, but not all grew callus and divided like I wanted. the roots are very promising as a clump in a jar could possibly allow me to skip the callus and rooting stages, I let you know. leaves were most disappointing, and I can root a broomstick !! hehe,my sterile issues were, in my experiences, within the plant material cut up, either introduced by me/tools, or possibly on the explant or picked up during transfer. its clear when you see the mold under a scope usually , its origins are often obvious, I saw a small eylash once inside the foggy mold. kick ass under a 30x
 

nitro20%

Active Member
hell yeah this is where it AAAALLLLLL began. and we are kinda the gods in this,, playin with cells and shit, shootshit jim-jack. makes me want to go back to school and listen this time.ok so i got my first pics of me cleaning and my supplies that i bought.but the deal is that my hard drive fryed,now i got this 2000 dell,holy shit,wont pass the pics to the site. surprisingly enough i am only into it for about 200.00. and even a cooker!had the aquariums though. 5 bucks at a dump. one is a 25 gal. and to that other guy,,, friends stealin leaves from you for micro propagation,,,my freinds are calling me to help them get there shit back right. hell that could be your guys next move,,,COME ALL AND BRING YOUR SICK OR MIT INFESTED MOTHER AND I'LL REGENERATE IT TO ITS ORIGINAL GENTICS,,,LOW LOW PRICE!!!!79.99. HA HA HA HA HA THIS TIME ONLY 40 MOTHERS FOR THE 1, IN 40 DAYS.

NO FOR REAL THOUGH,,could a 99.9% female that turned hermie, be re-generated to a female or mabye help the plants immune system.
know what u mean, give a 2by4 it will root,,ha ha.cloning boxes etc etc,whatever got them. back to the basics snip,dip,stick,and sit>>>10to 20 days. 90%to 99%.20 days i throw out the rest.
 

WolfZen

Member
Confusing thread... why do you guys keep talking like tissue culturing has anything to do with genetics/genetic modification/gene splicing/etc.?
 

ddimebag

Active Member
Confusing thread... why do you guys keep talking like tissue culturing has anything to do with genetics/genetic modification/gene splicing/etc.?
Yeah, its a little confusing how they lump the two together...the main topic is using tissue culture to get around plant count numbers. With genetic modification you would be working with plant tissue cultures to introduce the new genes via a modified bacterium (agrobacteria probably). No way to do it without tissue culture yet, hence they are talking about that too.
 

pharmacoping

Active Member
nitro20% or
  • sort of. but you may have more luck with a product called Reverse, by Dutch Master Gold. very fast acting. knock down ball busting spray

    confusing, yes. but know this. every time you clone you may be introducing bacteria or virus' that can and do genetically modify your plant with this type of simple technology. you can actually see this by culturing the first "knot" in your stalk, its full of genetically mutated cells, via virus/bacterium. be sure to kill it, or it might glow in the dark, or talk or something someday. a crocus bulb is an interesting mix with mj invitro, for anyone interested in work done with colchicine
 

ddimebag

Active Member
https://www.rollitup.org/members/nitro20--402129.html a crocus bulb is an interesting mix with mj invitro, for anyone interested in work done with colchicine

You could also use Colcemid instead of colchicine. It works the same way (inhibits the separation of chromosomes) but is much less toxic than colchicine. It is used in the lab during the preparation of cells for observation under the microscope. It arrests cells in metaphase, making karyotyping easier to carry out. Has anyone here actually tried using colchicine or colcemid with cannabis seeds? Has anyone ever tried to extract colchicine from the Autumn Crocus?
 

pharmacoping

Active Member
Dr.

You mean to tell me that an expensive laboratory actually wasted money and time genetically modifying a marijuana plant ? Why in the world would they attempt such an impossible, time wasting task, I wonder? hmmmm..... I hope the kids here are saving up their ten bucks for the issue. also, Skunk had a title on the cover Tissue Culture, and an article inside already, hope you saw it. I think we're in for a fast lesson in plant biology this year, and many, many technologically impossible feats in every field.
 

beenthere

New Member
I have no doubt that all the TC data is true and I commend you people on your accomplishments, however, IMO it's another step in controlling the MJ industry, I see it as cannabis corporatism in it's infancy stage.
Although your motives may well be good intentioned, there is only one reason anyone would invest a significant amount of capital in a 12,000 sqft lab.

The reality is, most mj growers are already being controlled today, they are purposely limited to the strains that seed companies are willing to part with (for a significant profit of course) because many growers are more concerned with quantity and convenience, they look past the fact they are being manipulated into being dependent on seed companies to provide genetics for them.
Why is it that regular seeds are being phased out? Before long, the only source for cannabis seeds will be the corporate Home Depot's and Lowe's of the seed world, we will be forced to grow "their genetics" this a good thing (profitable) for the few I guess, but not for the rest of us.
There's no question this will be a God send for cannabis consumers and their producers, but I just don't see where the growing community could benefit from it in the long term.

No hate here, just keeping it in perspective.

I wish you luck with your endeavors.
 

Voidling

Well-Known Member
As long as they don't add in a terminator gene or something that keeps it from being able to be cloned or produce seed then people can always breed or clone and share if they choose. I know there are patents on other plants in the U.S. but truth is unless you're propagating acres with it for profit then it's unlikely anyone will ever know or care.

But indeed it's become a corporate thing at many levels and what's not corporate is hustling.
 

pharmacoping

Active Member
The marijuana "suicide" gene as it's called is being patented as we speak, maybe complete now. check into hortipharm, one of three big pharma backed growers, and monsanto seed corp.
that future is here. they already have the three strains chosen for your options of purchase, and they are manipulated, therefore original, and they have been patented. one is a hybrid white widow, the other a hybrid northern lights/skunk, not sure of the other.
 

WolfZen

Member
If your interested in Genetic modification WolfZen, stay tuned for the article coming out in Skunk Magazine in May....;-)
Eh, don't subscribe to it and you haven't given any reason why I, or anyone, really should. Just baseless hype so far. Feel free to post something of actual substance though?

Dr.

You mean to tell me that an expensive laboratory actually wasted money and time genetically modifying a marijuana plant ? Why in the world would they attempt such an impossible, time wasting task, I wonder? hmmmm..... I hope the kids here are saving up their ten bucks for the issue. also, Skunk had a title on the cover Tissue Culture, and an article inside already, hope you saw it. I think we're in for a fast lesson in plant biology this year, and many, many technologically impossible feats in every field.
Pointless sarcasm+hype: no substance or value.

I have no doubt that all the TC data is true and I commend you people on your accomplishments, however, IMO it's another step in controlling the MJ industry, I see it as cannabis corporatism in it's infancy stage.
Although your motives may well be good intentioned, there is only one reason anyone would invest a significant amount of capital in a 12,000 sqft lab.

The reality is, most mj growers are already being controlled today, they are purposely limited to the strains that seed companies are willing to part with (for a significant profit of course) because many growers are more concerned with quantity and convenience, they look past the fact they are being manipulated into being dependent on seed companies to provide genetics for them.
Why is it that regular seeds are being phased out? Before long, the only source for cannabis seeds will be the corporate Home Depot's and Lowe's of the seed world, we will be forced to grow "their genetics" this a good thing (profitable) for the few I guess, but not for the rest of us.
There's no question this will be a God send for cannabis consumers and their producers, but I just don't see where the growing community could benefit from it in the long term.

No hate here, just keeping it in perspective.

I wish you luck with your endeavors.
I don't see how this is of benefit to the growing community here either and agree with your sentiments (even if you hold a darker view of capitalism then I do). And by this point in the thread I've given up hope that there is ever going to be anything of value posted by the duo to clarify...

The most 'advanced topic' reasonably brought up, protoplast fusion, couldn't produce anything that couldn't occur through normal breeding between plants that are closely related/similar.

This talk of rose plants producing THC, for example, is in a whole different ballpark of complexity, cost, and time AND would require crossing U.S. federal laws in multiple areas with multiple companies holding different patents and technologies in order to be accomplished. Let alone by a small lab or especially by someone at home. Or in other words, completely irrelevant to the topics of at-home tissue culturing or protoplast fusion techniques.

What is the point of this thread??
 
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