Sativa, Indica Possibly Useless Terms?

Dan Kone

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disagree, I don't think much evidence backs this up either. THC is THC and CBD is CBD, whether its from an indica or sativa, the chemical in your brain is similar. There are different flavors for all buds, even within the same genetics there are variations.

But THC is THC from an Indica or a Sativa.
Sure they all are made up of the same or similar cannbinoids, but in different ratios because the trichomes are actually different. Indicas convert more thc into other cannabinoids than sativas do. So while they all might have THC (or something similar), they have way different ratios of thc/cbd/cbn/cbg/etc.
 

Dan Kone

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I'm not sure how long it would take nature to turn an indica into a sativa, but I'm sure it could happen eventually.
It could happen, but it's not a sure bet. It could turn into something completely different than either. Evolution is about genetic mutations catching on due to natural selection. We can't predict what those mutations will be.
 

OGEvilgenius

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It could happen, but it's not a sure bet. It could turn into something completely different than either. Evolution is about genetic mutations catching on due to natural selection. We can't predict what those mutations will be.
I think we can predict that it would be very sativa like given the conditions it would have to grow in. I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest the cannabinoids sativas produce are likely beneficial to their survival as well. Certainly something completely different in terms of cannabinoids could arise though and it would be interesting to see.
 

OGEvilgenius

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I also don't think it would actually take that long for the selection to happen in nature. At least in terms of the plant changing it's overall structure and appearance. The cannabinoid profiles might not come as quick or they might, harder to say. I do know the sativas plant structure is absolutely vital to its survival in the climates it lives in though. It actually wouldn't surprise me if none of the plants survived in the jungle given the chances of mold are very very very high and the true indicas tend to have very dense buds.
 

Dan Kone

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I think we can predict that it would be very sativa like given the conditions it would have to grow in. I don't think it's much of a stretch to suggest the cannabinoids sativas produce are likely beneficial to their survival as well. Certainly something completely different in terms of cannabinoids could arise though and it would be interesting to see.
Not necessarily. Keep in mind you're starting with a whole new set of genes and the mutations would be based off those genes that were not contained in the original plants that developed into sativas. That would create new mutation options that were unavailable when plants developed into sativas.

Natural selection could find a whole new way to adapt to it's environment based on these new genes. When an extinction event occurred with the dinosaurs, lizards didn't re-evolve into dinosaurs. Natural selection found a new path.
 

MJstudent

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Ok, but that time period is like 100k years.

By your theory people and monkeys are useless terms because over a long enough time period monkeys can potentially turn into people.



You could say the same about strawberries and watermelons. Is it really useless to have a distinction between strawberries and watermelons?

We came up with the terms indica and sativa for the same reasons. They describe two distinctly different types of cannabis. And yes, it is important to have those terms because they describe two different things. They are not less different because put in a different environment and given 100k years they might not be different. By your logic we should only have two words to describe living things. Plants and animals. Everything else is a meaningless distinction. But personally I want those labels so I can make sure I'm petting a house cat and not a wild tiger. When I smoke bud to go to bed I want to make sure I'm smoking a indica and not a sativa.



Because those terms are useless in describing the effects of the cannabis you're about to ingest.



Well what you appear to be describing is evolution. And there is plenty of scientific proof of it. But I don't think it happens as quickly as you think it happens. If you take a south American sativa and grow it in India, breading it only into itself, it isn't going to turn into an indica after a few grows. That wouldn't even happen in your great great great grandchildren's lifetime. And even if it does adapt to it's environment over thousands of years, it's not necessarily going to make the same adaptions indicas made. Evolution doesn't work that way as far as we know.
i dont actually mean use people man, i was going along with this guys anology of marijuana breeding being the same as having kids.
well maybe your stawberry watermelon theory would make more sense if i could grow a strawberry plant that looks like a water melon, but unfortunaly not.
you say it describes the plants ,but it doesnt describe anyhting other than the generic look of a plant, like they say cant judge a book by its cover same goes with cannabis, just because it looks like an indica means very little in todays world.
and no i dont think this is going to happen next week, if something took 2000 years to change i wouldnt be expecting to change it tomorow, but with strict regimens it could
i meant the theory of sativa and indica meaning nothing other than phenos not the theory of evolution. remeber though evolition is just a theory :P
 

Dan Kone

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you say it describes the plants ,but it doesnt describe anyhting other than the generic look of a plant, like they say cant judge a book by its cover same goes with cannabis, just because it looks like an indica means very little in todays world.
That is not at all true. Sativas and indicas have different chemical makeups. It's not cosmetic. Sativas only contain trace amounts of CBD and CBN and proportionally higher amounts of THC. Indicas have proportionally lower levels of THC, and higher levels of CBD's and CBN's.

Those pictures or crystals I showed you on the first page were not to demonstrate just a different look, those different trichome sizes represent entirely different chemical makeups.

and no i dont think this is going to happen next week, if something took 2000 years to change
Likely much longer than that, we don't know for sure.

i wouldnt be expecting to change it tomorow, but with strict regimens it could
i meant the theory of sativa and indica meaning nothing other than phenos not the theory of evolution. remeber though evolition is just a theory :P
They aren't just phenos. We are talking about evolution here. There is a meaningful difference between sativas and indicas in terms of their effects. It's not just a matter of fat leaves and plant size.

And evolution is just a theory in the same way gravity is just a theory. We aren't sure exactly how it works, but we have sufficient proof both exist.
 

MJstudent

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That is not at all true. Sativas and indicas have different chemical makeups. It's not cosmetic. Sativas only contain trace amounts of CBD and CBN and proportionally higher amounts of THC. Indicas have proportionally lower levels of THC, and higher levels of CBD's and CBN's.
man if you look at the high cbd strains and the high thc strains your going to find them to be both indicas and sativas. cbn is degraded thc.
 

Dan Kone

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I want to find/breed some shit FULL of THCV though...
Like FULL :D
I'm telling you, those two strains. Spoke with the owner of a testing facility a couple days ago and he said those two are the highest thc-v strains he's ever seen. AoS also has some other rare shit like cbg-a.
 

Finshaggy

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I'm telling you, those two strains. Spoke with the owner of a testing facility a couple days ago and he said those two are the highest thc-v strains he's ever seen. AoS also has some other rare shit like cbg-a.
I don't doubt it.

I just want to continue the search, and find my own strains and landrace phenotypes to mix and make even BETTER ones.
And crossbreeding, if I can test each one, I can almost guarantee a better THCV yield each generation :D
 
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