Co2 Extracted Concentrait.

[oilmkr420]

@ 25 lbs you will use 232 grams of ethanol. dont forget to decarboxylate your plant matter first 140 degrees c for half an hour 284 degrees f.

 

[oilmkr420]

i am now a paypal member if anyone wants an instuctional dvd and pressure vessel, they can hit me up by e-mail [email protected] and i will be getting some newer equipment soon as im almost out of stock now. but have much more savings to offer than $25,000 usd. you could expect all the pros that other systems final product has to offer, but its manual operation vs computer automated, has big advantages besides cost. very mobile as i can extract anywhere.

 

[oilmkr420]

ethyl alcohol is used for two reasons. first to cover the non-targeted areas co2 doesnt cover fatty acid of methyl esthers (fame). second it is used for taste preservation. Its used all over in extractions for scents and flavors. you really want everclear or moonshine75%-100% ethyl alcohol, 200 proof if possable. with cosub2 i never woory about rupturing anything because i use a co2 tank 20 cf and comply with its capabilities. i put 5 lbs exactly + 2% alcohol is 46 grams of co-solvent. known yellow product formula. believe that stray away and youll start crossing light green oil @ like 5% needing treatment w activated charcoal and diatomatious earth. to absorb impurities and filter microbials to decoloration.

forget the pot. this equation is based upon how much dry ice yr using. 2% co-solvent means 2% of the solvents weight. that averages out to 9.08 grams per pound.

 

[morfin56]

I don't see how with 6 mods in this section, this thread has managed to stayed here.
This is the advanced cultivation section isn't it?
I'm not knocking on your thread in anyway, who's ever this is, I'm sure its a good thread.
Also its not just your thread, there are misplaced and multiple threads of the same topic every where!
Come on RIU your not what you used to be.
You need new mods, and these boards need to be cleaned and organized really badly!

Did it just get so out of control here that the mods just decided to let things go?

 

[Guile]

I don't see how with 6 mods in this section, this thread has managed to stayed here.
This is the advanced cultivation section isn't it?
I'm not knocking on your thread in anyway, who's ever this is, I'm sure its a good thread.
Also its not just your thread, there are misplaced and multiple threads of the same topic every where!
Come on RIU your not what you used to be.
You need new mods, and these boards need to be cleaned and organized really badly!

Did it just get so out of control here that the mods just decided to let things go?

I admit that I would have expected to find this in a different aria too, but the last time I went looking around and asking questions there nobody gave me as much to think about as this guy did with this idea... Its something worth consideration to some people brave enough to tread into the "advanced" forum..

I second that it should get copped into its appropriate aria but mostly because people around there might find this interesting too. It kinda bites that the guy is selling something though...

 

[oilmkr420]

Bites? I would have loved to buy this product from someone. I looked and couldn't find anything. That bites. So instead I made something for people to buy from me or obtain there own. I gave the recipe in so many posts and its really no secret. I found all the info and its was an easy affordable thing that anyone can do.

 

[Guile]

Bites? I would have loved to buy this product from someone. I looked and couldn't find anything. That bites. So instead I made something for people to buy from me or obtain there own. I gave the recipe in so many posts and its really no secret. I found all the info and its was an easy affordable thing that anyone can do.

I'm not trying to be an ass.. I think its wicked cool that you are fortifying your local economy and providing a convenient source of information..

I just have a thing about trusting sales men (the best products sell themselves, salesmen exist to offset the balance)... Obviously its not personal, I don't even know you, and you seem alright from what little I've gathered..

Just be who you are, and do your own thing.. Don't let my skepticism be a concern of yours... Screw what other people think of you (even if it is me)...

 

[Hemlock]

Well you would have to build your own supercritical co2 extraction chamber and compress and heat the co2 utill it turns into a liquid then run that liquid through your herb and collect that ad evaporite the co2 out like bho....not worth the work....make bubble hash waaaaaaaaaay better imo then aaallll other concentrates...except maybe keif is the shit too. oil is too unnatural to me...and it sky rockets your tolerance

DAMN this dude is smart

 

[Hemlock]

I don't see how with 6 mods in this section, this thread has managed to stayed here.
This is the advanced cultivation section isn't it?
I'm not knocking on your thread in anyway, who's ever this is, I'm sure its a good thread.
Also its not just your thread, there are misplaced and multiple threads of the same topic every where!
Come on RIU your not what you used to be.
You need new mods, and these boards need to be cleaned and organized really badly!

Did it just get so out of control here that the mods just decided to let things go?

Whos gives a shit..LOL damn man come on.. smoke a joint

 

[oilmkr420]

I've always done things that made me happy regaurdless of what anyone else thought or thinks. So I just got my 2nd horse, another baby 2 1/2 years old. So we go into the city into non-horse town where we work people by either painting a curbside address or pictures of kids on her back. People not interested don't even get pestered as I'm bogged down w people who are. So I try to provide for us, cuz like anyone else, need to eat.

 

[808toker]

DAMN this dude is smart

Thank you

 

[808toker]

There are several main advantages using co2 as a solvent. I dont mean jacking off a bubble bag either. Using it as a solvent in this instance means to put it through dynamic changes. Whem the co2 starts its life as a solid gas, we then pressurize a vessel and it becomes a subcritical liquid which I prefer to be carried out at in a swimming pool at about 65-75 degrees farhenhiet from 12-24 hrs. In case shit hits the fan, we want the swimming pool to absorb most of the impact of the explosion. I've never done my math incorrectly to where I've used the pool as a impact absorber rather than a water bathe. So if heat were applied at a stable room temperature, you could further heat it useing a washer machine or large trash cans with hot water from the fosset. Have a gauge and be on standby to relieve any sudden spikes or increases to max psi. This would be a Supercritical Fluid Extraction (scfe)co2. it furthermore went through changes and became a supercritical fluid. When we release the pressure it will revert back into a snow, different than the parent snow. So the main reasons i feel its green uses are more than just trendy are cost. At $1.30 a lbs at smart"n"final, I get co2 way less suspisiously than buying 10-12 cans of butane. Also, the FDA states co2 as a direct food ingredient making it even more desirable to use. In fact, the solvents I use to extract are so gentle, at worst case senario, if ingested they would be a little drunk. So I went from chemical extractions to food grade extractions. No fire precautions, and I fire em up while I extract, too!!! Fast turnaround times. More importantly is the potency of the product. So much so, i willingly pepsi challenge any other extractions w confidence. I had told someone once to try the wax I made, he told me it looked like I wiped my ass with it. So I brought him some stuff that looked discharged from his vagina!! Golden yellow. He blushed and I'm sure felt all wet down there!!! theres other reasons but those are just some of the more important ones. will edit when I'm not so stuck on stupid.

Please teach me how to do this....

 

[Guile]

Hey dude, have you ever considered making a closed circuit phase change system? I mean you could use the refrigeration compressor out of some appliances to achieve the kind of pressures that Co2 needs to go "supercritical".. The thing is that your system will naturally want to reach those pressures anyway (as your dry ice gasses off) so all you really need to do is create the right pressure difference at the right spots.
Depending on how you build it, it might even work as a dehumidifier to some extent.
Though I worry about refrigeration oil getting where you don't want it, maybe you could use a different lubricant, (like grape seed oil or something)

 

[morfin56]

I mean you could use the refrigeration compressor out of some appliances to achieve the kind of pressures that Co2 needs to go "critical" (or sub critical)..

You need A LOT of pressure to make Co2 supercritical.
The tubing and the compressor would literally explode if it had that much pressure in it.
If i remember correctly it takes something like 70 atm which is something like 1000 psi to make Co2 into a super critical liquid.
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND NO WAY YOU WILL MAKE A SUPERCRITICAL LIQUID FROM CO2 WITH YOUR GHETTO RIG.

On the otherhand making Co2 into just LIQUID which is what is used to make Co2 extracts requires much less heat and pressure, say around 300-400psi,
achievable by a fridge compressor if you know what your doing.

 

[Guile]

You need A LOT of pressure to make Co2 supercritical.
Chances are you don't even know what it means to make Co2 super critical,
the tubing and the compressor would literally explode if it had that much pressure in it.
If i remember correctly it takes something like 70 atm which is something like 1000 psi to make Co2 into a super critical liquid.
EDIT: also takes around 350k which is 623 degrees Celsius or 1154 degrees Fahrenheit
THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND NO WAY YOU WILL MAKE A SUPERCRITICAL LIQUID FROM CO2 WITH YOUR GHETTO RIG.

On the otherhand making Co2 into just LIQUID which is what is used to make Co2 extracts requires much less heat and pressure, say around 300-400psi,
achievable by a fridge compressor if you know what your doing.

My understanding of "super-critical" is when Co2 is compressed to pressures above 1100psi @ temperatures above 90F... Admittedly I was getting the impression that dry ice could reach that while confined... (Using the pressure gauge and temperature control)

Everything I have described or discussed so far deals with those circumstances directly... I'll go look into temperatures again....

I just verified my information and I'm fairly confident at this point that if one of us is mistaken its unlikely to be me... I have dealt with Co2 at these temperatures/pressures so I might even have some applicable experience..

Additionally if you look into the materials I describe (or take my word for it) you would see that they are technically (by the general rules that govern these sorts of things) within "safe" margins.

The degree of caution I suggest in regularly measuring your chamber is not "technically" necessary I just threw that bit in for people who are either very cautious or just poorly informed, i.e.: using me as their sole/exclusive reference (If I'm going to think for other people, I want them to think reasonably smart).

If you are going to come off superior, try being superior first...
If you have valuable insight or references to share, please offer them up with your opinion...

 

[morfin56]

I don't offer my opinion, I'm telling you fact.
I major in chemistry at TN tech and I am damn sure of what I'm talking about.
If you know anything you'll go look up a phase diagram of Co2 and correct yourself..

http://files.myopera.com/nielsol/blog/CO2_phase_diagram.jpg

1 bar = 14.5 psi
kelvin - 273 = degrees Celsius

You might have experience with something like your homemade rig but obviously no experience with actual supercritical Co2 units and recirculating Co2 systems

Sorry, this is sorta unfair trying to match your knowledge with mine as I'm a professional.

 

[Guile]

I don't offer my opinion, I'm telling you fact.
I major in chemistry at TN tech and I am damn sure of what I'm talking about.
If you know anything you'll go look up a phase diagram of Co2 and correct yourself..

http://files.myopera.com/nielsol/blog/CO2_phase_diagram.jpg

1 bar = 14.5 psi
kelvin + 273 = degrees Celsius

You might have experience with something like your homemade rig but obviously no experience with actual supercritical Co2 units and recirculating Co2 systems

Sorry, this is sorta unfair trying to match your knowledge with mine as I'm a professional.

Nice picture... Where did you get it (Wikipedia)? You know any idiot can edit that site right? (that's want all the little "edit" links are all about). beyond that 300 Kelvin is only 80.33F (according to your own equation that you misunderstand, 300K minus 273 equals 27c or 80.6F, either way its still under 90F).

Here is one from me and a link to some actual information...

Atm refers to atmosphere so 73 atm would be 1072.804262psi (under 1100psi)
31c is equal to 87.8F (under 90F)

See its the red zone in the upper right of the picture, that's what we are aiming for. The right hand is the one that doesn't make the "L" for "left" when you extend your thumbs (palms down). By the way if you are a professional in this field, you are clearly overplayed... (I can talk condescendingly to people too.. Doing us any good?)



The statement that supercritical Co2 is Co2 confined at a pressure above 1100psi @ temperatures above 90F seems to hold true....

 

[morfin56]

If you didn't notice our diagrams show the same exact thing except yours is atm/celsius and mine is bar/kelvin.
No not every page can be edited on wiki, some pages are protected and the ones that are protected are the ones with proven true information.
The link I gave to that phase diagram is clearly not from wiki, if you had looked at the bar at the top of the browser you would have been able to see that.

The point I was trying to make was about the fact the your fridge compressor can not reach 1100 psi.

At first you didn't even know what a super critical liquid was as you were calling it sub critical, your welcome for the fucking knowledge.

But by all means put your dry ice in enclosed metal container and heat it to 90F. Good luck.

Admittedly I was getting the impression that dry ice could teach that while confined... (Using the pressure gauge and temperature control)

 

[Guile]

If you didn't notice our diagrams show the same exact thing except yours is atm/celsius and mine is bar/kelvin.
No not every page can be edited on wiki, some pages are protected and the ones that are protected are the ones with proven true information.
The link I gave to that phase diagram is clearly not from wiki, if you had looked at the bar at the top of the browser you would have been able to see that.

The point I was trying to make was about the fact the your fridge compressor can not reach 1100 psi.

At first you didn't even know what a super critical liquid was as you were calling it sub critical, your welcome for the fucking knowledge.

But by all means put your dry ice in enclosed metal container and heat it to 90F. Good luck.

subcritical was a typo (been corrected), but seemed to relay the idea given the context (and the fact that I don't claim this as my aria of expertise), Though I do apologize of my poor writing...

I also offered information with my picture (as apposed to just a picture without any contest) and clearly understand both examples offered as I was able to point out the error in your temperature conversion understanding. (which of course indicated your lack of understanding dealing with supercritical Co2, otherwise you would have realized your temperatures were off by nearly 550 degrees Celsius or nearly 1000 degrees Fahrenheit)

Everything I have discussed here has dealt with pressures of 1200psi and temperatures of 90F (did you read any of this before commenting on it?).

You questioned my understanding of supercritical Co2, its clear that I was not the one who was mistaken (only really leaves one other option)

Only certain refrigeration compressors can build pressures over 1000psi. Obviously I cant list them for you but here is an example of the general idea

Additionally there are compressors made specifically for R-744 (CO2) refrigeration

Lastly Co2 is often confined and subjected to temperatures of 90F (or more) . Didn't you have a Co2 powered BB gun as a kid? Didn't you ever carry an extra Co2 cartridge in your pocket on a warm summer day? (how about paintball guns?) You mean to tell me that you think half the 10-14 year old boys in my aria are running around with eminent doom in their pockets all summer long?

You are not going to flounder your way into looking any better so how about if you eat a little humble pie and address people with a reasonable amount of respect in the future? (You wouldn't have been outed as talking well over your own head if we just addressed each other with a reasonable amount of respect to start with).

I'll bet it stings a little..... Being shown up in your "field of expertise" by an idiot hick who makes ghetto contraptions out of junk... Sorry for that....
By the way that's called field expedient, and it can pay damn good when you're consulting/operating as an on site engineer (but you have to be flexible enough to deal with issues in more than just one "specialty" aria).

 

[morfin56]

Im sorry, I was drunk earlier and (was being a smart ass) added instead of subtracted which led to the wrong temperature.
Anyways someone (like me) will put dry ice in a metal container that is not nearly strong enough and heat it up a little resulting in an explosion.
My explanation for Co2 canisters not exploding in pockets?
They are only like 37% liquid and the rest gas, also made of high grade aluminum,
Not only that but they certain rupture points to vent in the case of high temps increasing pressure to much.
If you put dry ice into a less then ideal container, which someone might try, it will explode.
Only thing is I've done it on purpose, and if someone were next to that they would have been blown to pieces.

Sorry for being a dick.