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Kingdom Sky

Kingdom Sky

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I was under the impression that you could use LESS wattage for your CFL than you would for a HID light....thereby saving your electricity by maximizing your lumens/watt...of course getting two 200w enviros wouldn't make sense, green_nobody you're totally right on that...same wattage and less light. I guess what I was trying to get at is that if you wanna go with 125w or 200w of CFL, you'd clearly be sacrificing yield, but if that's what it takes to flower your plant, it's better than throwing your plant out :) But he's right, greenthumb, if you're gonna use up at least 400 watts, you might as well make it HPS....
 
Kingdom Sky

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OH and in either case, less heat is always better, since you're going stealth on this one, shying away from HID (HPS/MH/MV lights that get the job done the best) saves you from worrying about dealing with so much heat.
 
green_nobody

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Kingdom Sky said:
Just do a search, I'm not that experienced with growing, so I don't really have suggestions for where to get your bulbs....but if you're smart enough to grow some nugz, you're smart enough to go to Google and find one...here's a link I happened across earlier today, but it's from the UK, and that's just annoying... Lamps Grow Lights Direct horticultural grow lights energy saving envirolites low heat gereration, reflectors
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for your reg, i'm growing since the early 90's and are now in my second full indoor year in which i grow decent yield, and big buds with some potency to them. i have tried it with floro tubes back when i started and went outdoors because i was frustrated about the turn out off this. floros evolution sure hasn't stoped since then but they still not up to a hps, that is an fact, face it. it maybe looks differne in 3 to 5 years but today flowering indoors has still to be done with hps or you face a big ass bill since floros will use far more kWh for the same job.
and with a air cooled hps you can go as close as with a small cfl!:roll:
 
Kingdom Sky

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green_nobody said:
for your reg, i'm growing since the early 90's and are now in my second full indoor year in which i grow decent yield, and big buds with some potency to them. i have tried it with floro tubes back when i started and went outdoors because i was frustrated about the turn out off this. floros evolution sure hasn't stoped since then but they still not up to a hps, that is an fact, face it. it maybe looks differne in 3 to 5 years but today flowering indoors has still to be done with hps or you face a big ass bill since floros will use far more kWh for the same job.
and with a air cooled hps you can go as close as with a small cfl!:roll:
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Thanks GN! Still learning, but I'm confused about your statements...are you saying that you'll use more kWh for the same job meaning for the same grow results??? If so, I would remind you that all of my statements are predicated on saving electricity, and compromising results are a GIVEN. I am not a member of the "CFLs are just as good as HPS" school of thought, I was just thinking you could use them as a last resort if you're unable to use HPS for whatever reason.

If you're saying that you'll use more kWh with the CFL's in general, then I respectfully apologize and bow down to your knowledge.

Mostly, I'm not interested in arguing with you, just understanding the whole CFL thing, and I know it's a hot topic, but how would you sum up your opinion on it?? Also, is the wattage equivalency thing true? I mean, I've heard things that led me to believe that, for example, a 100w CFL would be equivalent to a higher-wattage normal tube in terms of it's light-intensity...is that true?? thanks
 
green_nobody

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Kingdom Sky said:
Thanks GN! Still learning, but I'm confused about your statements...are you saying that you'll use more kWh for the same job meaning for the same grow results??? If so, I would remind you that all of my statements are predicated on saving electricity, and compromising results are a GIVEN. I am not a member of the "CFLs are just as good as HPS" school of thought, I was just thinking you could use them as a last resort if you're unable to use HPS for whatever reason.

If you're saying that you'll use more kWh with the CFL's in general, then I respectfully apologize and bow down to your knowledge.

Mostly, I'm not interested in arguing with you, just understanding the whole CFL thing, and I know it's a hot topic, but how would you sum up your opinion on it??
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you got it with the cfls

and the summe of this all:

cfl: great for vegging cheap and almost as good as MH (cfl up to 100Lum/W, MH 120lum/W)

MH: top notch to veg with but not cheap and trick since it deveops a shitload of heat (but big cfls get damn warm too!!)

HPS: still the way to go for flowering (there are even special bubls that can be used for veg which are heavier on the blue side but the sale for up to 3 times the price of normal flowering HPS bulbs!)
 
Kingdom Sky

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Thanks, buddy, I edited my last post and added a question at the end, I'd love an answer if you get around to it!
 
green_nobody

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Mr. Green Thumb said:
i really like that one by htg supply . . how many plants can you grow with one of those?>
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i wouldn't go with both of them, both are junk!

shop for a horizontal fixture with a hammer-forged non-mirroring bat-wing reflector or go strait for a air-cooled one.:mrgreen:

try them if you want to buy a new one High Tech Garden Supply videoman recommend that shop to me. they are fair priced, really fair and got great stuff:)
 
green_nobody

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Kingdom Sky said:
Mostly, I'm not interested in arguing with you, just understanding the whole CFL thing, and I know it's a hot topic, but how would you sum up your opinion on it?? Also, is the wattage equivalency thing true? I mean, I've heard things that led me to believe that, for example, a 100w CFL would be equivalent to a higher-wattage normal tube in terms of it's light-intensity...is that true?? thanks
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well this comparison is made to normal bulbs in which a wire glows, so the Edison type of bulb, this type uses only 5% of the energy to produce light and has a ratio of 20lum/W.
and that is what the state on the packs, that 42W 11oV cfl is as bright as a single 100W Edison bulb.
 
Mr. Green Thumb

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green_nobody said:
i wouldn't go with both of them, both are junk!

shop for a horizontal fixture with a hammer-forged non-mirroring bat-wing reflector or go strait for a air-cooled one.:mrgreen:

try them if you want to buy a new one High Tech Garden Supply videoman recommend that shop to me. they are fair priced, really fair and got great stuff:)
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a hammer forged non-mirroring bat wing?? if its not too muchof a hassle for you can you post the link to the best one you think i should get .. and also how many plants can be grown at once by one of these bad boys? :)
 
Mr. Green Thumb

Mr. Green Thumb

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Kingdom Sky said:
Thanks GN! Still learning, but I'm confused about your statements...are you saying that you'll use more kWh for the same job meaning for the same grow results??? If so, I would remind you that all of my statements are predicated on saving electricity, and compromising results are a GIVEN. I am not a member of the "CFLs are just as good as HPS" school of thought, I was just thinking you could use them as a last resort if you're unable to use HPS for whatever reason.

If you're saying that you'll use more kWh with the CFL's in general, then I respectfully apologize and bow down to your knowledge.

Mostly, I'm not interested in arguing with you, just understanding the whole CFL thing, and I know it's a hot topic, but how would you sum up your opinion on it?? Also, is the wattage equivalency thing true? I mean, I've heard things that led me to believe that, for example, a 100w CFL would be equivalent to a higher-wattage normal tube in terms of it's light-intensity...is that true?? thanks
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my 26 watt cfls are the equivaent to a 105 watt bulb it says on the package :)
 
green_nobody

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well that is my favorite and will be my next lamp if my old industrial will brake down High Tech Garden Supply and the value of this one just WoW!!!
if you keep it a foot over the canopy you get about 3x4ft light below, so if you go dense you can grow 12, super dense 16 plants below that but then you will need CO2 and 2 fans below to feed the plants with air. so 8 to 10 would be a descent number below it. and you can put it lower if you set up ventilation of the reflector, and the lower it gets the more lumen will hit target;)
 
Mr. Green Thumb

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nice i like that . . whats the longes amount of time i can go with out flowering/.,./? cuz i think i might have to wait til i move to flower
 
green_nobody

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i don't know, but i know a mother plant that is 2 years old and a tree really...;)

you should let them get 8 weeks of veg at least, so they mature and you get the best weed out of them, as i posted in the other post of your, top them if they get to big on you, and may try LST/tying them down:)
 
Mr. Green Thumb

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i think the stem might be too thick to try lst but im not sure . . .im thinking i might top them but im not sure where to make the cut?
 
green_nobody

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Mr. Green Thumb said:
i think the stem might be too thick to try lst but im not sure . . .im thinking i might top them but im not sure where to make the cut?
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mogie made a great post about topping tin the nooby section today, search for this on. it is with pics and graphics and all, lust great. in general, use the search function on this issue, the forum has piles of great posts about topping which explain it to you just perfect;) look for the "mad topper" post for example, bit drastic but great:)
 
green_nobody

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Mr. Green Thumb said:
i think the stem might be too thick to try lst but im not sure . . .im thinking i might top them but im not sure where to make the cut?
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Do LST right after you watered it and slow, really slow;) and you don't have to do the full program on your babies. combine topping with tying down branches and you get some great plant:mrgreen:
 
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