The Official House and Garden Thread

[Qwisty]

You don't use very much Additives at all. Is it too save money? I mean you would normally use 38 ml of Amino and Budxl in that situation and 4 ml of drip clean.

Yeah that's another typo.. was prolly stoned when I typed it out. It was 5ml drip clean and 30ml of Bud and Amino for the 10 gallons. I drop the feed chart about 30%. If I run it regular strength I get nute burn.

For 10 gallons I use 50ml Cal Mag, 55ml A&B, 30ml Bud-XL, 30ml Amino, 5ml Drip Clean. I have recently upp'd the Bud-XL to 4ml a gallon on re-fills though. 800 PPM is still the magic number it likes to maintain.

 

[Thedillestpickle]

Yeah that's another typo.. was prolly stoned when I typed it out. It was 5ml drip clean and 30ml of Bud and Amino for the 10 gallons. I drop the feed chart about 30%. If I run it regular strength I get nute burn.

For 10 gallons I use 50ml Cal Mag, 55ml A&B, 30ml Bud-XL, 30ml Amino, 5ml Drip Clean. I have recently upp'd the Bud-XL to 4ml a gallon on re-fills though. 800 PPM is still the magic number it likes to maintain.

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So when your cutting back the ppm's your also cutting back on the mL of additives?

I am doing the same thing. I mix up my base nutes at a little over full strength(2.5EC) in a large container. And I add in all the additives at recommended dosage. I keep those concentrated nutrients/additives for up to a couple weeks. I just stir it up and mix it with water to the right ppm and pH it. Because I dilute the mix to achieve the right ppm I am also diluting the additives. Seems to be working for me and I save some money.
The real benefit to this is I can mix up enough nutes for 2 weeks in one night and when it's time to feed all I have to do is mix the concentrated nutrients with water and pH, it's really easy. It really helps if you need to feed different plants at different TDS levels.
The way I see it I'm not actually skimping on the additives neccessarily, because as the plants pull water and nutrient salts from the coco, the additives concentrate in the coco. I'm sure I'm not washing away 100% of the additives when I feed either so I bet I could go even lighter on the additives to compensate for that. I guess if your in aeroponics it is a bit different, but I just thought I would share that idea with everyone. I'm just going to assume it works because it makes perfecty good sense to me.
The theory only works for additives that don't include macro or micro nutrients as their primary ingredient/function. I wouldn't use that technique for silicates or cal/mag, or a PK booster as I consider those to be another form of base nutrient
You could probably even go a little stronger than 2.5EC but eventually the nutrients will begin to precipitate out of solution

 

[raindog]

That is weird(i before e except after c is bs) that Canada uses Multizen throughout flowering. IF YOU ARE IN THE STATES ONLY USE MULTIZEN TILL WEEK 4(OR LIKE ME AND A WEEK AFTER FIRST SIGNS OF FLOWERS) THEN SWITCH TO BUD XL. Sorry for the bold caps but House and Garden has said this plenty of times on their site so don't get confused with Pickle since he is from canada and it is for some weird reason not the same in America.. Actually if you guys haven't checked out www.House-garden.us/faq you should check it out. They have a lot of very helpful info all over their site and you can ask a question there also instead of emailing them which usually gets a faster response.

Pickle do you know what the difference is in the formulas where you can use it throughout and we cant? Kind of confusing even though I am very glad we don't because I already use sooo much Multizen it is ridiculous. I mean if I used it from the beginning to the end I would use a gallon a cycle. I already use over a liter per cycle.

I went to the store yesterday and picked up the complete Earth Juice line for 150 dollars. I am going to give it a run again since it was the only other nutrient line I have used that was very comparable to House and Gardens finished quality for 1/5 the price. The only problem is you better not care about getting 'shit' on your hands. The EJ Grow smells like cat shit and the rest don't smell much better. I mean I got better results from EJ over Advanced so it is a very good product. Pickle may like it because it gives you more control having the Grow and Bloom where you can use together until Nitrogen isn't needed anymore then just cut Grow out.

I'll never stop using Roots Excelurator even though the big bottle costs 23 cents per gal to mix. I didn't use it on a plant recently and the roots were so far behind the exact strain I almost felt bad for her. I have to switch out of a 1 gal pot by the time a plant is 12-16 inches. The plant that didn't get it grew over 24 inches and still could of went further.

Thanks! I called HG re Multizen/Multizyme and posted on the FAQ page you supplied, waiting on answer. You know there have been a couple posts where the HG rep says, about similar discrepencies, Oh sorry that was an error and we are fixing it on the web site??!! I doubt it though with this. Too huge.

Ha as you say, cheaper to run in the US! Hey Wait a minute! Maybe US bud isn't as good as Canadian bud because we aren't allowed the good shit!! hmmmph! Wink.

Earth Juice rocks too. I'm using it on my outdoor. My inside is just to darn cleen, drip clean and all.
Aloha

 

[Thedillestpickle]

Thanks! I called HG re Multizen/Multizyme and posted on the FAQ page you supplied, waiting on answer. You know there have been a couple posts where the HG rep says, about similar discrepencies, Oh sorry that was an error and we are fixing it on the web site??!! I doubt it though with this. Too huge.

Ha as you say, cheaper to run in the US! Hey Wait a minute! Maybe US bud isn't as good as Canadian bud because we aren't allowed the good shit!! hmmmph! Wink.

Earth Juice rocks too. I'm using it on my outdoor. My inside is just to darn cleen, drip clean and all.
Aloha

Checked the bottle of my Multi Zen(and it is spelled Multi Zen here not Multi zyne or multi enzyme)
And it says right on the bottle: Use from weeks 3 through weeks 5 of the "rearing cycle"
CONSULT THE REARING CYCLE

haha I think I saw someone freaking out earlier in this thread about THE REARING CYCLE
I'm not sure what it means either, and I don't know where to find anything called the rearing cycle...
anyways it definately doesnt add up, the feed schedule(I'm guessing that's the rearing cycle?) on the Canadian site shows Multi "Zen" being used right through grow and bloom

 

[Thedillestpickle]

I got a quick question for the Americans here. My bottles of A+B Cocos when I add up the NPK values sum up to 5.5-3.4-9.1(adding the values of both bottles together). Does that look right to you guys? I'm just curious if my base nutes may actually be completely different than the base nutes you guys have there. This wacky NPK has been messing with my head... I'm about to go into flower with what roughly equates to a 3-2-5 NPK which to me seems pretty low in the phosphorus and high in N.
Is that the same as the US cocos product?

 

[ievolution]

House and Garden Coco A + B

NPK 5.4-3.4-9.4

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Just found this online a few different places so I do believe it is correct. I am 100% sure Canada and US have different H&G formulas. I am also going to the hydro store in a few so I will check the bottles there but that value I posted above is what mine also says. H&G seems to have plenty of labeling errors so you never know.

 

[ievolution]

Canna Coco A + B

NPK 4-4-3

Was kind of curious what theirs was and it is far less than H&G. Kind of weird. I do like the lack of K in Canna though. Kind of intriguing.

 

[HydroDawg421]

I use ALL H&G products (Aqua Flakes) and I have been using the amino treatment and found it to be very expensive and don't really see an impact. I used (1) $80 bottle rather quickly and would have used another 1.5 by the end of the grow that's an extra $200 just on amino treatment!!!

What are you guys using? What is a cheaper and similar product?

 

[raindog]

Checked the bottle of my Multi Zen(and it is spelled Multi Zen here not Multi zyne or multi enzyme)
And it says right on the bottle: Use from weeks 3 through weeks 5 of the "rearing cycle"
CONSULT THE REARING CYCLE

haha I think I saw someone freaking out earlier in this thread about THE REARING CYCLE
I'm not sure what it means either, and I don't know where to find anything called the rearing cycle...
anyways it definately doesnt add up, the feed schedule(I'm guessing that's the rearing cycle?) on the Canadian site shows Multi "Zen" being used right through grow and bloom

Hi! UPDATE: I phoned H and G a few days ago regarding the different multyzen formulas and /or labeling. The rep left a message. He didn't mention any different formula for US and elsewhere. He did say that the old Canada charts were the same as the US charts in feeding MZ to week 4 only. He told me the new Canadian charts are now the same as the US in regards to MZ. The reasoning for the different charts was a bit unclear to me - Rep said due to the different growing practices between the two countries. I would like to ask him what exactly are the differences because I just might be doing the Canadian way and not realizing it , grin I guess. He told me MZ is basically for root cleaning and health. So I hear from all this, that like Hygrozyme, you can use MZ all the way through or not. I just may switch to Hygrozyme and use it every other day or something. I know people rave about Hygrozyme and haven't heard too many people single out MZ as H&Gs top runner.

I recently had a big PH problem I questioned in previous post to this forum. Cut to the chase I began using Hygrozyme to eliminate the effects of me using EWC tea all wrong. For a week and a half I couldn't get my coco run off below 6.9! Hygrozyme used at 10ml per gal did the trick in two days. Stable 5.9 now! Great because I'm on my first week of the final 2.5 weeks using Shooting Powder and double strength. I definitely don't want any problems right now.

 

[raindog]

I use ALL H&G products (Aqua Flakes) and I have been using the amino treatment and found it to be very expensive and don't really see an impact. I used (1) $80 bottle rather quickly and would have used another 1.5 by the end of the grow that's an extra $200 just on amino treatment!!!

What are you guys using? What is a cheaper and similar product?

Hey Dawg, Nice scrog on your signature posting! How many gallons of fresh nutrient are you using a week on six plants average? You have six plants going off right now in RDWC? I'm trying to cut my watering down to exactly what's the best. I switched from Ebb and flow to drip drain to waste when it was time to add top booster as I didn't see adding TB to a 40 gal res for only 3 days. I am using about 11.8 gals per week with drip = 3cups per plant per day - FRESH nutrient. Coco 3 gal fabric pots.

Is this in line with what you are using, per week wise? [3 cups a day of never to be seen again (cept my yard loves the left overs) expensive shit!] Any advice is great!

I like what I see so far with H and G. My more knowledgeable friends are impressed with the results so far... As for other suppliers: Cutting Edge Solutions is a small Humbolt County operation that is getting major +++ from even some of the big HG users (so I read). They say less expensive too. But Dawg?? 2000W on a 4x4 - CO2 - Amino Treatment$$ - u can handle.

THOUGH! I wish H and G would get their nute instructions down before giving it to us!!?!! and not more expensive BS like AN does! rrrrrr! like they need more nitrogen???
Hey my plants are great so I'm a happy camper. Favs are RE, DC, SP. Base, Algen, BXL, MZ in that order more or less. I would keep RE and DC no matter what other nute Co. me thinks.

 

[HydroDawg421]

BTW, if anybody wants to know what top booster will do when used to early let me know (pics), I had an interesting experience with that ha

Hey Dawg, Nice scrog on your signature posting! How many gallons of fresh nutrient are you using a week on six plants average? You have six plants going off right now in RDWC? I'm trying to cut my watering down to exactly what's the best. I switched from Ebb and flow to drip drain to waste when it was time to add top booster as I didn't see adding TB to a 40 gal res for only 3 days. I am using about 11.8 gals per week with drip = 3cups per plant per day - FRESH nutrient. Coco 3 gal fabric pots.

Is this in line with what you are using, per week wise? [3 cups a day of never to be seen again (cept my yard loves the left overs) expensive shit!] Any advice is great!

I like what I see so far with H and G. My more knowledgeable friends are impressed with the results so far... As for other suppliers: Cutting Edge Solutions is a small Humbolt County operation that is getting major +++ from even some of the big HG users (so I read). They say less expensive too. But Dawg?? 2000W on a 4x4 - CO2 - Amino Treatment$$ - u can handle.

THOUGH! I wish H and G would get their nute instructions down before giving it to us!!?!! and not more expensive BS like AN does! rrrrrr! like they need more nitrogen???
Hey my plants are great so I'm a happy camper. Favs are RE, DC, SP. Base, Algen, BXL, MZ in that order more or less. I would keep RE and DC no matter what other nute Co. me thinks.

I have approx 25 gal reservoir. When I do a res change, I use a wet/dry vac to suck out the nutrient solution, add 25gals and then add/mix nutes according to the feed chart. Over the next 7-14 days I just add tap water to the res and PH it. I do this on an alternating schedule. One week I just add plain tap water and then the next I'll add tap water and depending on how much water/nutes they are taking I may also add back some base nutes.

But for the most part I just add back plain tap water and don't worry about adding nutes. Although late in flower I will add some nutes. My PPM's still stay 800-1000 this way even though I have diluted my nutes. I have never seen any adverse effects doing this and I'm sure they aren't being over fed. Although they could probably take more nutes as long as I'm getting high yields I don't care.

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[Thedillestpickle]

I have approx 25 gal reservoir. When I do a res change, I use a wet/dry vac to suck out the nutrient solution, add 25gals and then add/mix nutes according to the feed chart. Over the next 7-14 days I just add tap water to the res and PH it. I do this on an alternating schedule. One week I just add plain tap water and then the next I'll add tap water and depending on how much water/nutes they are taking I may also add back some base nutes.

But for the most part I just add back plain tap water and don't worry about adding nutes. Although late in flower I will add some nutes. My PPM's still stay 800-1000 this way even though I have diluted my nutes. I have never seen any adverse effects doing this and I'm sure they aren't being over fed. Although they could probably take more nutes as long as I'm getting high yields I don't care.

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whoa cool
How often do you change the res?

1 bottle of nutes must last you a long long time like that!
and do you add additives?

 

[Slimjimham]

Ok so I just gave my first feeding the other day. I went to my shop to buy 500ml of root excelurator and he gave me almost a full complete line

Soil a+b, drip clean, multi zen, bud xl, shooting powder, amino treatment and maybe something else.

All I'm missing is the algen extract and the liquid version of shooting powder.

Any tips with this line or just use as directed? I usually get my ppm up to 900/1000 and feed almost every water. I also run co2 under a couple 1k lights. Should I only feed every other? What ppm do your plants seem to like on average? Should I get the algen for the crazy price? Any other things you have learned using this line you wish someone had told you?

Also do you really have to wait to mix the components? I tend to ph at 6.5 in fox farm of soil. Is that what you guys do?

 

[HydroDawg421]

whoa cool
How often do you change the res?

1 bottle of nutes must last you a long long time like that!
and do you add additives?

• I change the res every 2 weeks during veg because they don't use as much water/nutes as they do in flower and it's a pain in the ass to suck out that much water. During flower every other week during the 1st 4 weeks. 2nd 4 weeks I change EVERY week! But it's more of a personal preference and is based on how my PPM's are holding and how much movement I have in my PH. When my PH gets harder to control I change the reservoir.​

  
  
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[Qwisty]

My first ever grow.. used H&G.. Here are the results.

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More pics..

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/487154-blue-mystic-house-garden-600-a-9.html#post7163644

 

[closetkush]

could i use

2ml dutch master silica
5ml cocos A&B
2ml botanicare calmag+
4ml botanicare liquid karma
2ml botanicare hydroplex
1ml floralicious plus

 

[indipow82]

Man, I used to be a devout H&G user until they added the nitrogen boost, algen extract, amino treatment, etc... It just became way to over priced for EVERY bottle it seemed and then to make matters worse. The only place you could get H&G where I am closed down... Frown face..... I now use Canna because that is the closest and most affordable nutrient you can get to H&G.

For real though, H&G made my gardens soooo pretty and lush! Wonderful top notch product. But for the reps at the Denver expo this year, shame on you all. You all were assholes who treated everyone rude and acted like your shit did not stink. Bad for sales and venue appearances at further expos.... Many people complained.

 

[closetkush]

the reps were drunk at the show in long beach

 

[indipow82]

the reps were drunk at the show in long beach

Same here. They could not even stand up or walk for the most part. You could smell the alcohol on them as well. The reps who came to CO were reps from Cali so they had this whole ego like they are better then everyone else, and to add to insult acted like we were all idiots and had no knowledge of botany/biology or any type of gardening. Lucky for them the product speaks for itself otherwise, they would be screwed!

But go House and Garden! You rock, one day I may be able to afford it again.

 

[lamabile85]

I'm thinking of giving them a shot on my next run. Sucks to hear that they're a little more expensive. I have a local shop that sells their nutrients so that's a blessing. Thanks for the info this thread provides.