what you think about advanced nutrients??

Jack Harer said:
You're absolutely right about the need for advertising. And I dont fault them a bit for it, or thier products. It's the outlandish claims they make that gall me. They all but say that if you use thier products you'll have a bigger dick.
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I agree with you. More than half the time they are talking straight shit out of there ass and if the industry was more regulated there is no way they could get by saying what they do. But, like a lot of other companies they are doing what's best for them according to what they believe. If they wanna hype their shit up because no one is watching them then that's their choice. We as consumers have to be the judge of as to whether their product warrants our money. They are a BUSINESS...their sole design is to make money. They aren't a Non-Profit. So if they wanna claim their nutes will give you 6lbs. off a 4' plant then go for it. I'll be the judge of whether they survive the tests in my own grow room.
 
here you are basically saying what I am saying mate,make up your mind,they are either a good company or a bunch of blaggers,and lieing to customers is not a good way to get them to come back as return custom

phillipchristian said:
I agree with you. More than half the time they are talking straight shit out of there ass and if the industry was more regulated there is no way they could get by saying what they do. But, like a lot of other companies they are doing what's best for them according to what they believe. If they wanna hype their shit up because no one is watching them then that's their choice. We as consumers have to be the judge of as to whether their product warrants our money. They are a BUSINESS...their sole design is to make money. They aren't a Non-Profit. So if they wanna claim their nutes will give you 6lbs. off a 4' plant then go for it. I'll be the judge of whether they survive the tests in my own grow room.
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Seems since the crash, I cant "like" a post. Well said. And you just cant save the newbies that fall for the hype. They're a speed bump in the road to learning. Products are OK, no better than cheaper brands IMHO. Maybe a bit more dilute so MJ can handle them. I didn't see the massive donkey dicks they promised, so I dumped them early on.
 
dankerous said:
I will agree with some of your point,but why would I waste my money on nutes,that my friends have been sold,that they used once and then gave away etc as it wasnt good?,seriously that would be pure silliness, the growers I know are all on top of things too,I don't smoke crap so don't hang with people that produce crap.
Also,microsoft is highly flawed,nike are just shoes they are no better than any other shoes,they just make people think they are by having their symbol every where,thats my point,there is a big difference between quality of products and people thinking something is good as they see it every where,its called manipulation,make some one think your product is better as you advertise it more,while I agree its horses for courses,they whole advertising thing is all about manipulating new customers into buying your product,not keeping existing customers,all they want is your money then to run,as they can replace you with another person due to their advertising convincing people its good,just like greenhouse do,people assume as arjan says he is the king of cannabis and cus he blankets the market in GHS b/s marketing products that they are better than say serious seeds who are less active in advertisement but are still going strong 20 years on,.
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I get what you are saying. We just have two different points of view. If my buddy says that Dell computers suck and he will never use them, honestly that wouldn't affect my first time purchase of them. I would rather try a product out before passing judgement on them. I used GH for 4 years, B.C./Technaflora for 3 years then switched to AN. I even did a couple run with Fox Farms a few years back. For me AN has been the best. So I don't talk bad about other products I just simply state what has given me the best yields. As a grower I think that no matter what product you use there are always people saying that it is shit. There are guys who claim organic is way better than synthetic. Hydro vs. Soil, Miracle Grow users vs. Everyone, etc... No matter what you decide someone will always disagree. So the only logical thing to do is test it yourself.

I'm not getting into an economics debate here about advertising money and brand management. You are partially right about the reasoning these companies spend the money they do. You are wrong in regards to their product being shit. You may not like it or it may be overpriced but that is how economics works. Sony TV's are way over priced, but they are not shit TV's. Nike shoes and apparel are overpriced, but they are not shitty quality. It's called "Peak Taxing" which has been around since the dawn of time. If you have the most popular and most desired product in your industry then you are capable and expected to charge a premium for that product in order to maintain the level of prestige that you have earned. I don't say that I agree with it but that is how economics works. It is a generally accepted theory by these companies in a macroeconomic world.
 
dankerous said:
here you are basically saying what I am saying mate,make up your mind,they are either a good company or a bunch of blaggers,and lieing to customers is not a good way to get them to come back as return custom
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We aren't saying the same thing and if you paid attention then you'd understand that. You say they are shit nutrients, overpriced, and they lie. I agree with you on MOST everything but I still think they are high quality nutrients.
 
Yeah man,but when you are watching some one else grow/ actively helping (I get used as a weed dr by a fair few of my mates) then you learn from their mistakes,if some one buys a dell and lets you play about on it to see its shite before you buy one yourself would you not be silly to then buy said dell?,that is my point,still I also get what you are saying,again I will disagree with nike being a top quality product as its the same as any other trainer,its just become a brand due to,you have guessed it advertising,spending money advertising doesnt make your product better,still I understand why companies do so,they want money that is why they exist,nike are like any other shoes made by chinese/indian children in the asian sub continent ;)

phillipchristian said:
I get what you are saying. We just have two different points of view. If my buddy says that Dell computers suck and he will never use them, honestly that wouldn't affect my first time purchase of them. I would rather try a product out before passing judgement on them. I used GH for 4 years, B.C./Technaflora for 3 years then switched to AN. I even did a couple run with Fox Farms a few years back. For me AN has been the best. So I don't talk bad about other products I just simply state what has given me the best yields. As a grower I think that no matter what product you use there are always people saying that it is shit. There are guys who claim organic is way better than synthetic. Hydro vs. Soil, Miracle Grow users vs. Everyone, etc... No matter what you decide someone will always disagree. So the only logical thing to do is test it yourself.

I'm not getting into an economics debate here about advertising money and brand management. You are partially right about the reasoning these companies spend the money they do. You are wrong in regards to their product being shit. You may not like it or it may be overpriced but that is how economics works. Sony TV's are way over priced, but they are not shit TV's. Nike shoes and apparel are overpriced, but they are not shitty quality. It's called "Peak Taxing" which has been around since the dawn of time. If you have the most popular and most desired product in your industry then you are capable and expected to charge a premium for that product in order to maintain the level of prestige that you have earned. I don't say that I agree with it but that is how economics works. It is a generally accepted theory by these companies in a macroeconomic world.
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Advanced nutes work very well, plain and simple. Sure they have shady business practices, but they work. There's a reason why they are one of THE most used nutrients in the industry. I have worked at a few different very busy hydro shops in the past, and advanced was always the biggest seller. I have also used just about any nutrient you can think of over the coarse of the last 10 years. Guess what? They ALL work. Once you grow long enough you start to fine tune your nute regimen. I have a couple advanced products in the lineup right now. Bottom line is, use whatever you want, just use it properly and you will grow dank.
 
I haven't used them as I just can't afford to buy 30 bottles that are all I need to grow awesome weed
 
missnu said:
I haven't used them as I just can't afford to buy 30 bottles that are all I need to grow awesome weed
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This is another misconception.. You don't NEED 30 bottles to grow anything.. For a while ALL I was usng was sensi A&B.. Guess what? I grew some bomb ass herb. Wake up people, do a little more research on what your plants actually need and you will grow dank.

Here is some dank Fruity Pebble OG grown with only a "couple" bottles... This was a week into flushing..

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It's funny that everyone always says the same thing on this site. You look at the label on AN base nutes compared to any of the other companies and their ratios are all the same. Yea, it's marketing, they tell you to buy ALL their products but their base nutes aren't that much more expensive and contain the same micronutes as all the rest of the companies. You add what you want to add. Or don't add anything. People on here just love to regurjitate the same crap they read from everybody else on the site. Like being in high school again. Can someone please come up with a Real science based Original argument and stop spewing the same BS someone else told you or that you read in another thread. I am sure there are probably several nutrient formulas or mixes of different nutrient brands that work better than AN but you can't get intelligent debate here on the subject...you just get a bunch of followers spitting out the same excuses and reasons they've been reading for the last year or so.
 
I never said over priced,if any thing I said they are cheaper than some other products and then pointed out House n garden are one of the more expensive ones that I personally use, I did however say they are shit,really I should of said,they are just ok,and that after all weed is a weed,so doesnt matter what you use its how you use it,still I personally hate the after taste that their products use,even with several of my mates giving their plants less than full dose and flushing 3 weeks they have that harsh salty smoke, also to back up my point,one of my good mates used to grow the best weed going when using house and garden,he then switched to advanced and the quality isnt the same,he grows the same, still yields the same,just not as nice a end product.So I should of really just said that in the first place,as that is a fair statement is it not?,I am now not slating advanced,just pointing out that in my opinion the smoke from several sources using this stuff isnt on par with mine using another kind of feed.

phillipchristian said:
We aren't saying the same thing and if you paid attention then you'd understand that. You say they are shit nutrients, overpriced, and they lie. I agree with you on MOST everything but I still think they are high quality nutrients.
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Also,I really don't care what other people say about products,I am talking from personal experience of stuff I have seen grown by my mates and smoked,which is as good as using it myself really, fair enough I shouldn't of jumped on the hating on them band wagon I agree there,but my last point I made is a fair one I have based on my experience of smoke grown with advanced,
 
dankerous said:
I never said over priced,if any thing I said they are cheaper than some other products and then pointed out House n garden are one of the more expensive ones that I personally use, I did however say they are shit,really I should of said,they are just ok,and that after all weed is a weed,so doesnt matter what you use its how you use it,still I personally hate the after taste that their products use,even with several of my mates giving their plants less than full dose and flushing 3 weeks they have that harsh salty smoke, also to back up my point,one of my good mates used to grow the best weed going when using house and garden,he then switched to advanced and the quality isnt the same,he grows the same, still yields the same,just not as nice a end product.So I should of really just said that in the first place,as that is a fair statement is it not?,I am now not slating advanced,just pointing out that in my opinion the smoke from several sources using this stuff isnt on par with mine using another kind of feed.
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Wasn't referring to you! I was referring to the comment that was made regarding not being able to afford 30 bottles.
 
Put the keyboard down and step away from this thread.

forgive them for they know not what they do....


PD, you really need to do a "advanced search" that will come up with better hits than a general search will...


these AN threads never turn out good.... just a lot of "my shits better than yours".


real answer: if there is a specific product you would like to try, do a side by side grow. one plant with, one without. only you will be able to get your definitive answers. its all in your testing. and make sure you can duplicate the results over a couple of grows.

I know, it would be awesome if someone would just say, "yes, its the shit, doubled my harvest" but really, look at giving the plant a complete nutrient package whatever way you go, to much or to little of any one thing will obviously effect plant health & yield. A healthy plant is a producing plant.

I am Dyna-gro user, and as such believe it gives me the best plants i can get for the money, ease of usage, final yield, in flavor and potency.

I am testing some Xnutrients now and am pleasantly surprised at the frikn growth. Now to see final flavor, and yield.

Next I will test AN connoisseur A+B

Oh yeah, try to use a strain your fairly familiar with, you need a good baseline to rate against.



jus my .02





*edit... Surfer, that is a sweet lookn bud dude, what is it? frosty nuggz.... mmmm like sugar budz love it.... wheres my damn like button when i need it...
oh well, a rep bump is in order....
 
unohu69 said:
Put the keyboard down and step away from this thread.

forgive them for they know not what they do....


PD, you really need to do a "advanced search" that will come up with better hits than a general search will...


these AN threads never turn out good.... just a lot of "my shits better than yours".


real answer: if there is a specific product you would like to try, do a side by side grow. one plant with, one without. only you will be able to get your definitive answers. its all in your testing. and make sure you can duplicate the results over a couple of grows.

I know, it would be awesome if someone would just say, "yes, its the shit, doubled my harvest" but really, look at giving the plant a complete nutrient package whatever way you go, to much or to little of any one thing will obviously effect plant health & yield. A healthy plant is a producing plant.

I am Dyna-gro user, and as such believe it gives me the best plants i can get for the money, ease of usage, final yield, in flavor and potency.

I am testing some Xnutrients now and am pleasantly surprised at the frikn growth. Now to see final flavor, and yield.

Next I will test AN connoisseur A+B

Oh yeah, try to use a strain your fairly familiar with, you need a good baseline to rate against.



jus my .02
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Spoken like a true professor! Well said.
 
phillipchristian said:
+rep for having the balls to post on this forum that you want to use Advanced Nutrients. The haters will be here shortly. I use them; the pH Perfect ain't exactly perfect. Depending on whether you are growing in soil or hydro and if you are using an R/O filter you may have to make some adjustments. As far as quality of buds I think they are just as good or better than any other base nutrient out there. I've tried 3 others and I'm getting ready to do a side by side comparison with Dyna Grow in May. I have used AN for around 5-6 years and I love them. They use top quality nutrients and stand behind their product in my opinion. Plus they have a really great support number you can call and speak with someone knowledgeable. Good luck.
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You seem to be the biggest complainer.He ask everybody for there opinion,so what if my opinion is negative against Advanced Nutrients,he asked for everybodys.If you like there product then good luck.
 
presentdevil said:
im really interested in getting their new sensi grow/bloom ''ph perfect'' and just want to know what people think of it that have USED IT. i dont want to read another thread of people bashing it and posting these stupid oregon state ''analysis'' of the nutrients. i just want to hear what people think that have grown with it because right now i am using fox farms for soil grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom and i want to yield as much as i possibly can. :mrgreen:
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CR500ROOST said:
You seem to be the biggest complainer.He ask everybody for there opinion,so what if my opinion is negative against Advanced Nutrients,he asked for everybodys.If you like there product then good luck.
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Here you go CR500. Just to make it nice and simple for you I attached the ORIGINAL OP post. So, as long as you can read you should be able to make out what the OP asked for. Just in case you are learning impaired I have highlighted both sections in which you should pay particular attention.

Now that that is over why not try and start shit somewhere else. We were having an adult conversation here you fucking child.
 
phillipchristian said:
Here you go CR500. Just to make it nice and simple for you I attached the ORIGINAL OP post. So, as long as you can read you should be able to make out what the OP asked for. Just in case you are learning impaired I have highlighted both sections in which you should pay particular attention.

Now that that is over why not try and start shit somewhere else. We were having an adult conversation here you fucking child.
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I'm a child but you pm thinking your bad ass.I always read you defending AN like nobody could say anything negative about them just cause you like them.keep pretending to be Mr. Mature and maybe somebody will believe you.
 
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