Justice for 15 yo Michael Jackson shot by two men.

[Ilovebush]

This law is gonna get many innocent people killed. It sounds like a good concept but the article mentions provocation resulting in murder. It is obvious, the law protects both criminals as well as any law abiding citizen alike. I believe gun battles would increase as a result of this law as well. I guess if u want the right to be able to defend yourself you'd have to embrace both pros and cons.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

you guys should put down the grow lights and start litigating cases in courts of law!stellar work!

If everyone thought like you, the 13th ammendment wouldn't exist. If more thought like me, Socrates wouldn't have chosen to drink hemlock.

 

[UncleBuck]

If everyone thought like you, the 13th ammendment wouldn't exist. If more thought like me, Socrates wouldn't have chosen to drink hemlock.

yep, because i believe in using intent and motive it necessarily entails that i would have been johnny reb, fighting for the south and whipping my slaves.

seriously, how have you not passed your bar exam yet?

 

[Canna Sylvan]

clearly, the great legal minds going back centuries have really fucked the dog by not adopting your grudge-driven perspective.

yep, because i believe in using intent and motive it necessarily entails that i would have been johnny reb, fighting for the south and whipping my slaves.

seriously, how have you not passed your bar exam yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-tradition/

You have skill. Combining two fallacious concepts in one. You imply someone needs to be a lawyer to criticize law. You also imply because others have done it for centuries, it's correct.

Slavery was done without guilt for thousands of years. It being bad is recent.

Intent should only be used for justification of forgiving a crime, not for doling out lesser or greater punishments. If you kill someone for molesting your child is different than killing because their dog shit in your yard. Dog shit and hating race are both hate. Who is to say which is worse? Obviously both were equally bad, since both lead to murder.

Now things like accidental death and negligence are different categories. But purposeful murder, no matter intent, motivation or planning are all the same. The guy isn't any deader.

Also another category would be if you raped or tortured. Those have reasons, but would NEVER have those reasons taken into account.

In short, only the outcome matters. In extreme instances, the reason comes into play. But those would be the rare exception and only to justify release from punishment, like what I stated before. Not for the degree of punishment.

Pretty much if you knew what you were doing, did it anyway, you get whatever punishment that resulting act caused. Simple.

 

[Wordz]

Slavery was done without guilt for thousands of years. It being bad is recent.

lmao you troll too much

 

[UncleBuck]

Intent should only be used for justification of forgiving a crime, not for doling out lesser or greater punishments. If you kill someone for molesting your child is different than killing because their dog shit in your yard. Dog shit and hating race are both hate. Who is to say which is worse?

dumbass much?

 

[UncleBuck]

it takes a special kind of crazy to kill someone for letting their dog shit in your yard. not so much if you kill someone for molesting your child.

i would say the guy who resorts to murder for dog shit is much more of a dangerous element to society than the guy who kills his child's molester.

you can try to wing this in your favor, saying that we are forgiving the chester killer rather than punishing the dog shit murderer, but it is a pointless distinction.

you are nuts and i am OK with that. you fancy yourself some child prodigy all grown up, but let me reassure you, you have some growing up left to do.

 

[sync0s]

Intent should only be used for justification of forgiving a crime, not for doling out lesser or greater punishments. If you kill someone for molesting your child is different than killing because their dog shit in your yard. Dog shit and hating race are both hate. Who is to say which is worse? Obviously both were equally bad, since both lead to murder.

Now things like accidental death and negligence are different categories. But purposeful murder, no matter intent, motivation or planning are all the same. The guy isn't any deader.

Also another category would be if you raped or tortured. Those have reasons, but would NEVER have those reasons taken into account.

In short, only the outcome matters. In extreme instances, the reason comes into play. But those would be the rare exception and only to justify release from punishment, like what I stated before. Not for the degree of punishment.

Pretty much if you knew what you were doing, did it anyway, you get whatever punishment that resulting act caused. Simple.

Innocent until proven guilty goes out the window and replaced with vigilante justice. Sweet dood.

By the way, it's 'more dead'.

 

[Wordz]

Hating dog shit is equal to hating a whole race. Stop the spin.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

lmao you troll too much

Not a troll at all. I have a book called Slavery Defended. It's about learned southern slavers justifying slavery for all sorts of reasons, like the labor would hurt them if they had to pay wages instead. Pretty much the same bullshit used to justify exploiting illegal's employment. Garbage like our food would become more expensive, hurting americans. What corporations do to illegals is like indentured servitude and slavery. Why it still goes on is the same reasons slavery were defended.

 

[sync0s]

Hating dog shit is equal to hating a whole race. Stop the spin.

Hating dogshit is the equivalent to hating you.

 

[UncleBuck]

hating dogshit is the equivalent to hating you.

zing!!!!!!!

 

[Wordz]

Hating dogshit is the equivalent to hating you.

playa why you hatin, playa why you hatin, playa why you,playa why you ,playa why you hatin- thomas jefferson

 

[Wordz]

Not a troll at all. I have a book called Slavery Defended. It's about learned southern slavers justifying slavery for all sorts of reasons, like the labor would hurt them if they had to pay wages instead. Pretty much the same bullshit used to justify exploiting illegal's employment. Garbage like our food would become more expensive, hurting americans. What corporations do to illegals is like indentured servitude and slavery. Why it still goes on is the same reasons slavery were defended.

.I think i saw a review of that on reading rainbow, I'm not gonna take your word for it. I'm gonna go check it out at my local library.

 

[sync0s]

.reading rainbow

oh, the days when that was what kids watched...

 

[Wordz]

oh, the days when that was what kids watched...

One of my kids is only allowed fox news, the other is only allowed headline news. Once a month I duct tape knives onto their arms and make them fight it out for who is right. Fox news has a 66 percent win ratio

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Innocent until proven guilty goes out the window and replaced with vigilante justice. Sweet dood.

By the way, it's 'more dead'.

Who said anything about vigilante? Several people have been set free because someone hurt their child. But they still go to trial first. That's the risk you take with vengeance. You still get the same outcome, jail, if convicted.

Deader than a doornail.

 

[Wordz]

lmao plants and aminals are equal to humans

 

[Canna Sylvan]

lmao plants and aminals are equal to humans

It's a quote from an anime named X. I meant it as a thought provoking exercise. Something you have a hard time with. I'm also a vegan and conservationist. I respect plants and animals. But humans have to survive. It doesn't give us control of the planet and justification to destroy life for pettiness.

 

[Wordz]

there happens to be a difference between thought provoking and fucking stupid.