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[LoveSteakBlues]

Have you consumed Mexicana or Atlantis stones? How do the trips differ if at all, and how do they compare to dry cubes? Would you recommend mexicana A or atlantis for a newbie grow. Besides sterilizing the needle what else would I have to do to avoid contamination? I will be using the ready to grow bags.

 

[morfin56]

I heard cubes were WAY stronger then stones.
I've never tried stones, but thats what people tell me.

 

[canndo]

You only need to make sure the bag or more particularly the injection port is clean - wipe it down with 15 percent bleach, dip your needle in bleach as well (I don't like to flame the needle, but that is a personal preference).

Atlantis would likely be the best for you, They create the most sclerotia and usually the largest - of course you want something that will produce large stones as getting a whole bunch of small ones presents a problem with harvesting. There is no difference between the fruit and the stones in a given species so far as the experience is concerned, it's all the same. However, you can't really compare a stone with a cubensis.

The cubensis experience is different than a tamp or mexicana experience. I would say, in general (everyone's experience is different), the mexicana is the most clear, gentle, "clean" high. Some claim that the tamp is almost speedy and I really don't know much about the Atlantis high. Many argue that one "strain" of cube is different than another and I doubt that can be confirmed - Some say that an American Cube is distorted or "blurry" when compared to the high from an asian strain but for the most part, all cubes are pretty much the same from my point of view. HOWEVER, no one can argue that Mexicana or Tamp or cyan experiences are the same as cube experiences. Cyans are different than all of the others - but this is a discussion of stones.

So, it has been my experience, and many concur that mexicana feels more pure - this will hold true then of the sclerotia that mexicana produce.

Comparisons of potency are difficult because of weight issues. Stones are in general, weaker than the fruit that is produced from the same mycelium - this is where Morfin is correct, now, given that mexicana is stronger than cubensis but stones are weaker than fruit, who can really say which is acually stronger? I think the point with stones is that they DO yield a different high because they are not from the same strain, stones ARE easier to produce and the yield can be quite substantial. A couple of 5 lb bags can potentialy give you as much as...I don't know, maybe as much as a kilo of wet?

I would worry however, about multi-spore vs monoculture production. Not that the mulit-spore won't work, it does, but multi spore may not produce nearly as much product as a monoculture can. This however, is pure conjecture on my part based on my thoughts about competing dychariotic mycelium thriving on the same substrate - I could easily be full of shit on this. We do know that monoculture always yields more mushrooms than mulit-spore.

Consider this though - presuming my estimates are correct (don't though) Let's do the math. Presume 5 cups of dry grain per bag, 5 bags and say each cup would yield 20 grams wet or 14 dry. That would be 70 dry per bag and 350 total. Even if it were half as potent, you are getting 175 grams equivelent. 6 ounces roughly - and I am estimating very low. The potency estimates I've seen says 2/3rds potency and not half.

Everyone is always looking for THE STRONGEST, but that should always be only a factor in a calculation - work, cost, and quality of the high being just some of the other factors. I have also heard that stones are easier on your stomach - now I have never had any stomach problems with anything but partialy rotted fresh mushrooms so I can't say from personal experience. I know that the stones taste worse.

 

[Unnk]

alifght to make sure this thread doesnt jump off subject completly

sorry canndo for the bit that follows this


i didnt say exact quote mate and im not tryiing fight with you

im just telling you your comparing things that shouldnt be compared on levels of one being "Better" then the other

the 2 are different ball games

you said shrooms are for fun and dmt is for the trip

i wouldnt even put them in a comparison like this

i respect both as being able to completely whipe my ego from me

and to the outsider it seems as if shrooms are just for FUN for you

and im telling you there is ALOT more there then just fun


shrooms are not POISION


i will not succeed to saying that

they are TRYPTAMINES both are tryp's

and i again will state that you are compairing something that should not be compaire

i NEVER get nausea / nasty feeling from shrooms nor do i get a after glow head feeling

maybe your body cant handle the stimulus? but i can assure you shrooms are not poison

 

[Unnk]

You only need to make sure the bag or more particularly the injection port is clean - wipe it down with 15 percent bleach, dip your needle in bleach as well (I don't like to flame the needle, but that is a personal preference).

Atlantis would likely be the best for you, They create the most sclerotia and usually the largest - of course you want something that will produce large stones as getting a whole bunch of small ones presents a problem with harvesting. There is no difference between the fruit and the stones in a given species so far as the experience is concerned, it's all the same. However, you can't really compare a stone with a cubensis.

The cubensis experience is different than a tamp or mexicana experience. I would say, in general (everyone's experience is different), the mexicana is the most clear, gentle, "clean" high. Some claim that the tamp is almost speedy and I really don't know much about the Atlantis high. Many argue that one "strain" of cube is different than another and I doubt that can be confirmed - Some say that an American Cube is distorted or "blurry" when compared to the high from an asian strain but for the most part, all cubes are pretty much the same from my point of view. HOWEVER, no one can argue that Mexicana or Tamp or cyan experiences are the same as cube experiences. Cyans are different than all of the others - but this is a discussion of stones.

So, it has been my experience, and many concur that mexicana feels more pure - this will hold true then of the sclerotia that mexicana produce.

Comparisons of potency are difficult because of weight issues. Stones are in general, weaker than the fruit that is produced from the same mycelium - this is where Morfin is correct, now, given that mexicana is stronger than cubensis but stones are weaker than fruit, who can really say which is acually stronger? I think the point with stones is that they DO yield a different high because they are not from the same strain, stones ARE easier to produce and the yield can be quite substantial. A couple of 5 lb bags can potentialy give you as much as...I don't know, maybe as much as a kilo of wet?

I would worry however, about multi-spore vs monoculture production. Not that the mulit-spore won't work, it does, but multi spore may not produce nearly as much product as a monoculture can. This however, is pure conjecture on my part based on my thoughts about competing dychariotic mycelium thriving on the same substrate - I could easily be full of shit on this. We do know that monoculture always yields more mushrooms than mulit-spore.

Consider this though - presuming my estimates are correct (don't though) Let's do the math. Presume 5 cups of dry grain per bag, 5 bags and say each cup would yield 20 grams wet or 14 dry. That would be 70 dry per bag and 350 total. Even if it were half as potent, you are getting 175 grams equivelent. 6 ounces roughly - and I am estimating very low. The potency estimates I've seen says 2/3rds potency and not half.

Everyone is always looking for THE STRONGEST, but that should always be only a factor in a calculation - work, cost, and quality of the high being just some of the other factors. I have also heard that stones are easier on your stomach - now I have never had any stomach problems with anything but partialy rotted fresh mushrooms so I can't say from personal experience. I know that the stones taste worse.

truffles are really REALLY good stuff

your right about taste too

stones taste like ass

 

[crazyhazey]

alifght to make sure this thread doesnt jump off subject completly

sorry canndo for the bit that follows this


i didnt say exact quote mate and im not tryiing fight with you

im just telling you your comparing things that shouldnt be compared on levels of one being "Better" then the other

the 2 are different ball games

you said shrooms are for fun and dmt is for the trip

i wouldnt even put them in a comparison like this

i respect both as being able to completely whipe my ego from me

and to the outsider it seems as if shrooms are just for FUN for you

and im telling you there is ALOT more there then just fun


shrooms are not POISION


i will not succeed to saying that

they are TRYPTAMINES both are tryp's

and i again will state that you are compairing something that should not be compaire

i NEVER get nausea / nasty feeling from shrooms nor do i get a after glow head feeling

maybe your body cant handle the stimulus? but i can assure you shrooms are not poison

im pretty sure the second time i took shrooms i got a mild stomach ache, plenty of my friends have told me the same thing. shrooms are fungus, its just poisoning you the same way acid does i feel like, i wake up feeling exhausted. dont you feel that way when your wake up from tripping on shrooms? and by saying shrooms are for fun i mean that in respect to dmt which can really help people understand themselves and may give your trip meaning. it makes me more relaxed while ill run around and looks at shit for hours on shrooms.
and why not compare them? i would say dmt will make shit more intense and colorful but shrooms do give me a similar effect but not as intense as dmt.

 

[Unnk]

im pretty sure the second time i took shrooms i got a mild stomach ache, plenty of my friends have told me the same thing. shrooms are fungus, its just poisoning you the same way acid does i feel like, i wake up feeling exhausted. dont you feel that way when your wake up from tripping on shrooms? and by saying shrooms are for fun i mean that in respect to dmt which can really help people understand themselves and may give your trip meaning. it makes me more relaxed while ill run around and looks at shit for hours on shrooms.
and why not compare them? i would say dmt will make shit more intense and colorful but shrooms do give me a similar effect but not as intense as dmt.

no i dont feel that way tripping on shrooms

because you CANT Compare them they are active at different scales

and if your not pulling something meaningful from the shroom trips

maybe your not doing enough

but i NEVER get nausea from boomers

i learned how do break through my AUTISM with boomers

im just gonna say this yes you can acheive a faster ego loss with dmt

but doesnt mean that dmt essential contains more insight them mushrooms

the same insight is capable from both!

edit

and 2nd?


how experienced are you with your psychs?

im jsut saying some of the things said jsut dont make sense to me


yes i udnerstand peopel can feel nausea from shroom

BUT this is because your body isnt used to eating fungus such as that

new food can have the same effect on your body

as for mushrooms being poison

WHY ?

dude this is my biggest problem with your statement

hell i could care less if you think dmt is better than or if you want to compare em

but mushrooms are a poison?

it just doesnt feel like a statemetn from a psychonaut

 

[DaSprout]

Just from the way that they are "grown" I would imagine that stones would taste pretty assey.

 

[Unnk]

Just from the way that they are "grown" I would imagine that stones would taste pretty assey.

yah the taste is a little more bold well say lol

 

[crazyhazey]

no i dont feel that way tripping on shrooms

because you CANT Compare them they are active at different scales

and if your not pulling something meaningful from the shroom trips

maybe your not doing enough

but i NEVER get nausea from boomers

i learned how do break through my AUTISM with boomers

im just gonna say this yes you can acheive a faster ego loss with dmt

but doesnt mean that dmt essential contains more insight them mushrooms

the same insight is capable from both!

edit

and 2nd?


how experienced are you with your psychs?

im jsut saying some of the things said jsut dont make sense to me


yes i udnerstand peopel can feel nausea from shroom

BUT this is because your body isnt used to eating fungus such as that

new food can have the same effect on your body

as for mushrooms being poison

WHY ?

dude this is my biggest problem with your statement

hell i could care less if you think dmt is better than or if you want to compare em

but mushrooms are a poison?

it just doesnt feel like a statemetn from a psychonaut

i feel as if any fungus is sort of poison and it makes me feel bad the next day, this isnt something dmt does. if dmt and shrooms make you trip with the same chemicals why do shrooms last so long? but id have to say shroooms arent really the same experience, but all hallucinations are hard to explain.

 

[canndo]

alifght to make sure this thread doesnt jump off subject completly

sorry canndo for the bit that follows this


i didnt say exact quote mate and im not tryiing fight with you

im just telling you your comparing things that shouldnt be compared on levels of one being "Better" then the other

the 2 are different ball games

you said shrooms are for fun and dmt is for the trip

i wouldnt even put them in a comparison like this

i respect both as being able to completely whipe my ego from me

and to the outsider it seems as if shrooms are just for FUN for you

and im telling you there is ALOT more there then just fun


shrooms are not POISION


i will not succeed to saying that

they are TRYPTAMINES both are tryp's

and i again will state that you are compairing something that should not be compaire

i NEVER get nausea / nasty feeling from shrooms nor do i get a after glow head feeling

maybe your body cant handle the stimulus? but i can assure you shrooms are not poison

It seems we rarely disagree, and we don't here either - I concur with your statements entirely.

 

[canndo]

yah the taste is a little more bold well say lol

Which brings up another point - on substrate, you definitely don't want to grow your stones in something that you will have trouble cleaning from the sclerotia - using vermiculite and to a lesser extent coir in your substrate is unwise as you will be eating some of the substrate along with your truffles. Although I don't think there is really a problem injesting a bit of vermiculite - especially if it is marked as being asbestos free. I do urge a modium of care while working with dry vermiculite as the dust just can't be very good for lungs. All I do when working with the stuff is wet it down a little.

BTW, I read a long thread in another site where a poster insisted that truffles were not psychoactive - indeed, the true truffle is not, we are simply using another name (truffle) for the growths we are separating out.

 

[Unnk]

lol exactly i didnt say WHICH truffles now did i lol

 

[canndo]

i feel as if any fungus is sort of poison and it makes me feel bad the next day, this isnt something dmt does. if dmt and shrooms make you trip with the same chemicals why do shrooms last so long? but id have to say shroooms arent really the same experience, but all hallucinations are hard to explain.

I am certain that Mr. Duck will be along shortly to explain why DMT is different than Psylicibin or psylocin. Poison is a strange word, we could easily make the argument that all drugs are poison. In my opinion however, these substances are no more poison than any other chemical. If there are receptors in the body for a substance, it is likely that in one way or another, the body accepts the substance not as a poison but as a part of itself. Shulgin argued that there must have been a time in our past where our body actually produced the chemical that fit into the receptor and evolution caused those with the capacity to manufacture such chemicals to die off, leaving only the receptors and an affinity for the chemical that it could no longer manufacture. I find flaws in this argument.

 

[canndo]

one more point on the ingestion of truffles - I have found that swallowing them in bits or whole (to avoid the taste), seems not to be all that effective - I suspect that the compact nature of the mycelium might keep it from being redily digested. I don't eat them fresh and when dry I always run them through a coffee grinder and cap them up - hooking down a handful of 00 caps is a small price to pay for the result.

 

[crazyhazey]

I am certain that Mr. Duck will be along shortly to explain why DMT is different than Psylicibin or psylocin. Poison is a strange word, we could easily make the argument that all drugs are poison. In my opinion however, these substances are no more poison than any other chemical. If there are receptors in the body for a substance, it is likely that in one way or another, the body accepts the substance not as a poison but as a part of itself. Shulgin argued that there must have been a time in our past where our body actually produced the chemical that fit into the receptor and evolution caused those with the capacity to manufacture such chemicals to die off, leaving only the receptors and an affinity for the chemical that it could no longer manufacture. I find flaws in this argument.

im too high to read right now, ill get back to you later.

 

[LoveSteakBlues]

You only need to make sure the bag or more particularly the injection port is clean - wipe it down with 15 percent bleach, dip your needle in bleach as well (I don't like to flame the needle, but that is a personal preference).

Atlantis would likely be the best for you, They create the most sclerotia and usually the largest - of course you want something that will produce large stones as getting a whole bunch of small ones presents a problem with harvesting. There is no difference between the fruit and the stones in a given species so far as the experience is concerned, it's all the same. However, you can't really compare a stone with a cubensis.

The cubensis experience is different than a tamp or mexicana experience. I would say, in general (everyone's experience is different), the mexicana is the most clear, gentle, "clean" high. Some claim that the tamp is almost speedy and I really don't know much about the Atlantis high. Many argue that one "strain" of cube is different than another and I doubt that can be confirmed - Some say that an American Cube is distorted or "blurry" when compared to the high from an asian strain but for the most part, all cubes are pretty much the same from my point of view. HOWEVER, no one can argue that Mexicana or Tamp or cyan experiences are the same as cube experiences. Cyans are different than all of the others - but this is a discussion of stones.

So, it has been my experience, and many concur that mexicana feels more pure - this will hold true then of the sclerotia that mexicana produce.

Comparisons of potency are difficult because of weight issues. Stones are in general, weaker than the fruit that is produced from the same mycelium - this is where Morfin is correct, now, given that mexicana is stronger than cubensis but stones are weaker than fruit, who can really say which is acually stronger? I think the point with stones is that they DO yield a different high because they are not from the same strain, stones ARE easier to produce and the yield can be quite substantial. A couple of 5 lb bags can potentialy give you as much as...I don't know, maybe as much as a kilo of wet?

I would worry however, about multi-spore vs monoculture production. Not that the mulit-spore won't work, it does, but multi spore may not produce nearly as much product as a monoculture can. This however, is pure conjecture on my part based on my thoughts about competing dychariotic mycelium thriving on the same substrate - I could easily be full of shit on this. We do know that monoculture always yields more mushrooms than mulit-spore.

Consider this though - presuming my estimates are correct (don't though) Let's do the math. Presume 5 cups of dry grain per bag, 5 bags and say each cup would yield 20 grams wet or 14 dry. That would be 70 dry per bag and 350 total. Even if it were half as potent, you are getting 175 grams equivelent. 6 ounces roughly - and I am estimating very low. The potency estimates I've seen says 2/3rds potency and not half.

Everyone is always looking for THE STRONGEST, but that should always be only a factor in a calculation - work, cost, and quality of the high being just some of the other factors. I have also heard that stones are easier on your stomach - now I have never had any stomach problems with anything but partialy rotted fresh mushrooms so I can't say from personal experience. I know that the stones taste worse.

Thanks for the info! I'm going to do some research about the mexi vs the atlantis trip before deciding which ones to go for. Can I pm you for more info later on?

 

[canndo]

Thanks for the info! I'm going to do some research about the mexi vs the atlantis trip before deciding which ones to go for. Can I pm you for more info later on?

I don't think you can pm until you have more posts.

 

[DaSprout]

Pretty soon. You too can feel the full effects of the assssss.

 

[crazyhazey]

I am certain that Mr. Duck will be along shortly to explain why DMT is different than Psylicibin or psylocin. Poison is a strange word, we could easily make the argument that all drugs are poison. In my opinion however, these substances are no more poison than any other chemical. If there are receptors in the body for a substance, it is likely that in one way or another, the body accepts the substance not as a poison but as a part of itself. Shulgin argued that there must have been a time in our past where our body actually produced the chemical that fit into the receptor and evolution caused those with the capacity to manufacture such chemicals to die off, leaving only the receptors and an affinity for the chemical that it could no longer manufacture. I find flaws in this argument.

i believe dmt has always been naturally occuring, its probably one of the oldest chemicals. and essentially yes all drugs are poison but some to a different degree. shrooms wont effect you too much but you still may get that exhausted after effect, correct me if im wrong but it sometimes feels like shrooms draws serotonin from my brain much like mdma would, but on a MUCH smaller scale that isnt nearly as noticeable. im not saying i know this, im saying this is how i have felt in the past. not with dmt but for sure with shrooms.