show me how to post pics? i know you disagree but you burned those plants to a crisp with that connoisseur the ppm was way too high. i personally was told for years on icmag that if you use connoisseur use half the ppm you use for the 2 part cause its strong stuff. ive never used connoisseur im just telling you what i heard and its probably true after looking at your pics. i really want to post these pics though after i find out how
after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part
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phillipchristian
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just click on the picture frame in the reply box. It is between the film roll and the globe with the red x. then make sure to click the "from computer" tab at the top and then click on "select files" Then you will go to the location on your computer where the pictures are stored and highlight all the pics you want to upload.
thanks im doin it now it will take me like 5-10 min
homebrewer
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I upload to imageshack. You can also upload to this site. In regards to the burn and deficiencies with Connoisseur, I totally agree. Connoisseur's NPK ratio oversupplies nitrogen relative to phosphorus and potassium which encourages the user to buy one of their bloom boosters later in flower. Being a two part bloom formula and having to use both in equal amounts, there is no way to scale back the nitrogen without cutting back the other elements found in that bottle. Their ratio may be ok for the first 30 days of flower but as you can see, it's awful for the last 30 days. It also contains 9 less elements as compared to DG.
Did I mention those trays were being fed at the same rates? Those same rates worked really, really well when I was using the GH three part so what's Connoisseur's excuse? It's simply a low-grade fertilizer.
heres the mistake i think your making homebrewer. your making an assumption by saying if you lower connoisseurs ppm then the plants arent gonna get enough of other stuff. you dont know that until you try it. all i know is you dont need me to tell you what happens in flower if your plants get the claw. once you get the claw the plants are barely gonna produce shit at all thats the worst shit ever and your plants have that. you cant compare a healthy plant to a plant that has the claw and be like look those nutes suck the second half of flower. anyway for all i know the connoisseur could suck ive never used that before im talkin about the 2 part with big bud and overdrive, if you compared dyna gro to that then you could probably keep the ppm the same but with connoisseur i would never do that
to be totally honest after trying out dg i will never give a shit about 16 elements again cause it didnt increase my yield at all. for all i know marijuana might not need alot of those elements
to be totally honest after trying out dg i will never give a shit about 16 elements again cause it didnt increase my yield at all. for all i know marijuana might not need alot of those elements
homebrewer
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If I'm not feeding at the same levels, and those levels worked great with DynaGro, GH and Botanicare, then it's not a fair comparison. Obviously the DynaGro plants looked better and yielded 6 more ounces of usable medicine so if those levels work with all those other brands, they should work with Connoisseur. After all, it's mineral salts dissolved in liquid.
Corrections can be made to hydro systems by simply mixing up a fresh res and running some plain water through the medium. Burning plants is not ideal but these plants are resilient and can recover quickly. With Connoisseur, there was not a specific week where the plants were 'burnt', it was a slow and gradual process because IMO Connoisseur's NPK ratio is far from ideal for flowering. Again, over-supplying nitrogen and under-supplying phosphorus. Pictures below.
Yes you can. When a fertilizer produces awful looking plants with all things equal, I can say 'those nutes suck'. The comparison is there in my signature and I was as transparent as possible.
You can't say DynaGro didn't increase your yield because you only made it to day 17. I would like to see a picture of your setup, pictures of your plants at harvest, bud shots. Show us that you are a competent grower. In regards to the plant photo above, what exactly are you looking for? You have a healthy plant there and clearly jumped-the-gun on calling a 'winner' in your 'comparison'. There are a number of skilled growers using DG with great success so my experience is not an isolated one. Start a journal and show us what Sensi can do because that's one thing the AN sensi/connoisseur crowd never does; journals their grows.
At the end of the day, you need to use what works best for you, no one should ever say differently. But when everyone else's experience is 'contrary' to yours and you're making statements like this is better than that, you might want to actually try an entire flowering cycle with it before you draw your own conclusion.
Here is around the halfway mark of my DynaGro/Connoisseur comparison grow (day 35). Aside from the yield difference, plant health looks about the same. In the weeks after these photos, you can see where the higher N content on Connoisseur takes a toll on the plants.
Dyna-Gro
Connoisseur
phillipchristian
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I want to preface this post by saying that I use Advanced and I have for around 5 years. I have to agree with homebrewer in this situation for the most part though. I still find it very hard to believe their is a strain that can not handle 400ppm week 2-3 of flower. In my last post I thought you were in week 1 so I guessed this was possible maybe because of the fact you had pushed to flower and the plant was still very young. After looking at your pictures and seeing that the plant was starting to form buds I just can't see how during this highly increased stage of nutrient uptake that this plant could not handle more than 300ppm. I am not a strain connoisseur nor a genetics expert but I have never heard of one in 12 years of growing that is that sensitive at such low ppm levels.
I don't necessarily agree that you have to feed the plants at the same levels. I think the purpose of these jounals is to see which nutrient produces better quality and higher yields. If you see that you have to back off of connoisseur slightly late in flower to get the best results then that should be done in the experiment. The idea is to push both nutrients to achieve the maximum results. If you are intentionally burning your connoisseur control group then it is hardly fair. If you had backed of the connoisseur and it produced diminished yields then that would be proof showing that Dyna works better in your grow op. Because of different formulas I find that almost all nutrient companies will have different optimum ppm levels with the same plants. I mean there are arguments that AN contains to many metals and salts as well as arguments that other nutrient companies use lower grade synthetics which lead to less soluble base and micro nutes. I think you would have to push both nutes to their limits but actually pushing them to the same ppm is unfair.
I honestly did not expect to see the plant that you had pictured there. That plant looked extremely healthy and I don't think it was fair for you to have switched back to Advanced. I think you should have been feeding her more but that is another story. If you were so concerned about the "cash" that was involved in this crop then you shouldn't have been doing an experiment in the first place. The nature of experimentation is to see true results in a controlled setting. Nothing was controlled about the experiment you laid out though. If should have been at least a side by side comparison. If Dyna had produced 0.05g per watt less than you were accustomed to with Advanced but you found that the smike was significantly cleaner; the buds were visually more appealing; the aroma was sweeter; and it cost you less money in nutrients; wouldn't that be reason enough to switch? You should have finished the experiment or not started at all because there is no validity to your claims without having been able to see the experiment all the way through.
I agree that there are a number of skilled growers using Dyna with great results but there are also a number of skilled growers using Advanced with great results. I have used them for 5 years and I know of a few others on this site as well as several of my friends. I appreciate the journals that you have done homebrewer but they are no difinitive proof that Dyna is better than Advanced. Possibly in your setup but none of us were in your room with you at the time so it is hard to judge until we actually try the other nutrient companies ourselves. For any grower that should be the process. It would be very unwise for any of us to just switch based on your word or an online grow journal you posted. I get fantastic results with Connoisseur and I don't get fried plants later in harvest. I agree that if you want to come to this forum and claim that one nutrient is better than another you should have a side by side grow journal. This is why you have never heard me say Advanced is better. I always say that it is better FOR ME in my room which is true in my comparisons. And as much as you may believe that we who use Advanced "never journal our grows," I believe the majority of those saying that Advanced sucks have actually never tried it and are just regurjitating what they hear from around this forum and others.
I am all for testing new products but in the end all that matters it what works for you. Just like you said it homebrewer. Some people don't feel the need to journal their grows here on RIU. Some people do not wish to post pictures of their buds or grow room on an online forum; especially if they are in a state where they are not legal. That being said; you can't come to this forum and claim that Dyna is not as good as AN based on 17 days of flower with no pictures of your plants, grow room, and significant information on your feedings, ratios, pH, etc...
In my opinion not "everyone's experience is contrary to mine" with regards to nutrients. I have already stated that there are plenty of growers here using Advanced with great results. I agree that this experiment is not a fair assessment but for you to claim that everyone thinks that Dyna is better is WAY far fetched. There are numerous Advanced growers here and I think the majority of us don't speak up because we are extremely happy with our results and don't feel the need to prove ourselves in an online forum. Do you know how many Advanced or nutrient threads go straight south because of the Advanced bashing. As soon as someone says they use Advanced on this forum guys are jumping all over them and the majority of them have NEVER used Advanced. There is so much misinformation on this forum about many things and Advanced is one of them. It is sad to see but so many growers here just blindly state that Advanced sucks without ever having tested them. Have you ever seen me say that a nutrient company suck; no, becuase I don't say it. Whatever works best for you is what you should use. If you are willing to accept a lower yield if you can spend less money then that is what works for you. If you want to spend the money because you believe that AN gives you bettter results then that is what works for you. If you use Dyna because you believe you get better results with it then that is what works for you.
I really am excited to get my Dyna products and start my journal. I will definitely post all of my pics, pH & ppm readings, and the control environment. This is gonna be fun. I actually want Dyna to win becuase it will save me a ton of money and a shitload of time mixing nutes. In my honest opinion and from what I have seen I doubt it will happen though.
homebrewer
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I feed low to begin with. If you take a look at the back of your Connoisseur bottles, you'll see a feeding chart that highlights 'Aggressive Feeding' which goes from 1400ppm or 2.0 EC to 2000ppm or 3.0 EC. I feed around 1.0 EC so I don't think anyone can make an argument that I was purposely burning or overfeeding the plants. I even made several feeding adjustments throughout the grow because at the end of the day I had a vested interest in producing as much medicine as I could for my patients.
The comparison was also done in the same manner as my GH vs DG journal where I actually wound up switching away from GH.
You can believe whatever you want. When a plant food yields less, costs more, is more of a hassle to use, produces a product that's more time consuming to trim, and doesn't have a stable pH, that's pretty definitive in my book that one plant food is better than another.
I should add that I'm not posting in this thread to convince anyone of anything. I think facts need to be brought to the table and people can decide for themselves. As you stated, is it fair to call off a grow after 17 days? I could tell at day 14 that Connoisseur wasn't going to yield very well but I still continued with my grow. Based on Tree King's posts, I question his competency as a grower. Then again, that one plant he posted above looks great. One plant isn't the story of someones skill level though. Lets see a tray of healthy plants at harvest.
Looking forward to it.
i dont know where to start homebrewer i pretty much disagree with everything you just said. you said
"If I'm not feeding at the same levels, and those levels worked great with DynaGro, GH and Botanicare, then it's not a fair comparison. Obviously the DynaGro plants looked better and yielded 6 more ounces of usable medicine so if those levels work with all those other brands, they should work with Connoisseur. After all, it's mineral salts dissolved in liquid. "
it still would be a fair comparison but you just refuse to believe it. theres a reason people always say if you switch your nutes you have to dial in your plants again. most people say use connoisseur very carefully cause its very strong stuff and this is why people recommend to use it at half the strength of the 2 part. i dont know the science behind it but it is what it is
"Corrections can be made to hydro systems by simply mixing up a fresh res and running some plain water through the medium. Burning plants is not ideal but these plants are resilient and can recover quickly. With Connoisseur, there was not a specific week where the plants were 'burnt', it was a slow and gradual process because IMO Connoisseur's NPK ratio is far from ideal for flowering. Again, over-supplying nitrogen and under-supplying phosphorus. Pictures below."
i know corrections can be made but you never made the correction. you kept the conni at the same ppm even after you saw the plants get burned to a crisp. if you look at the pics i just posted you can see a little tip burn. as soon as i saw that i backed off 100 ppm immediately. another thing is homebrewer i know you know this already but if your doing something harmful to a plant sometimes it takes weeks to show the symptoms and i think thats what happened in your test. you were giving the conni a much too high ppm and then eventually the symptoms showed up
"Yes you can. When a fertilizer produces awful looking plants with all things equal, I can say 'those nutes suck'. The comparison is there in my signature and I was as transparent as possible."
it definitely looks like your never gonna change your mind on this. your pictures prove the ppm was too high! your pics prove with certain nutes you have to use a different ppm. theres nothing else to say on this subject either you dont believe it or you do
"You can't say DynaGro didn't increase your yield because you only made it to day 17. I would like to see a picture of your setup, pictures of your plants at harvest, bud shots. Show us that you are a competent grower. In regards to the plant photo above, what exactly are you looking for? You have a healthy plant there and clearly jumped-the-gun on calling a 'winner' in your 'comparison'. There are a number of skilled growers using DG with great success so my experience is not an isolated one. Start a journal and show us what Sensi can do because that's one thing the AN sensi/connoisseur crowd never does; journals their grows."
if you think an 18" plant is gonna produce more that a 3 ft plants than i dont know what to say to you anymore. if the plants were anywhere close to as big as my last crop using the 2 part than i would of finished out using the dg. its not even close! apples and oranges. like i said before theres no doubt in my mind whats happening you can ether choose to believe it or not. il say it once again i didnt start this thread to prove to people that i grow correctly i did it just to give people a heads up of what i thought incase they were interested. there is no doubt in my mind about which one of these nutes are better, at least for me and thats all that matters to me. im just sayin maybe this thread will convince some people to try the 2 part if there having good results with dyna gro. i didnt switch back to the 2 part because the plants were unhealthy i did it cause they were growing too slow
the rest of this post is a response to phillip.
"I still find it very hard to believe their is a strain that can not handle 400ppm week 2-3 of flower. In my last post I thought you were in week 1 so I guessed this was possible maybe because of the fact you had pushed to flower and the plant was still very young. After looking at your pictures and seeing that the plant was starting to form buds I just can't see how during this highly increased stage of nutrient uptake that this plant could not handle more than 300ppm."
phillip i just proved it to you. you see the tip burn in the pics i posted right? if not than il have to take clearer pics later. that happened at 400 ppm. dont forgot though thats ec x 500 not ec x 700.
"I honestly did not expect to see the plant that you had pictured there. That plant looked extremely healthy and I don't think it was fair for you to have switched back to Advanced"
i know you think its not fair thats because i dont have any pics from my last crop with the 2 part. its all good though youl understand when you do the comparison. im not here to do an experiment for this community im just here to give my opinion.
"If you were so concerned about the "cash" that was involved in this crop then you shouldn't have been doing an experiment in the first place."
like i said before im not perfect. it was definitely a bad decision but i thought i would increase my yield or at least be almost the same after i heard everyone raving about the dg
"If I'm not feeding at the same levels, and those levels worked great with DynaGro, GH and Botanicare, then it's not a fair comparison. Obviously the DynaGro plants looked better and yielded 6 more ounces of usable medicine so if those levels work with all those other brands, they should work with Connoisseur. After all, it's mineral salts dissolved in liquid. "
it still would be a fair comparison but you just refuse to believe it. theres a reason people always say if you switch your nutes you have to dial in your plants again. most people say use connoisseur very carefully cause its very strong stuff and this is why people recommend to use it at half the strength of the 2 part. i dont know the science behind it but it is what it is
"Corrections can be made to hydro systems by simply mixing up a fresh res and running some plain water through the medium. Burning plants is not ideal but these plants are resilient and can recover quickly. With Connoisseur, there was not a specific week where the plants were 'burnt', it was a slow and gradual process because IMO Connoisseur's NPK ratio is far from ideal for flowering. Again, over-supplying nitrogen and under-supplying phosphorus. Pictures below."
i know corrections can be made but you never made the correction. you kept the conni at the same ppm even after you saw the plants get burned to a crisp. if you look at the pics i just posted you can see a little tip burn. as soon as i saw that i backed off 100 ppm immediately. another thing is homebrewer i know you know this already but if your doing something harmful to a plant sometimes it takes weeks to show the symptoms and i think thats what happened in your test. you were giving the conni a much too high ppm and then eventually the symptoms showed up
"Yes you can. When a fertilizer produces awful looking plants with all things equal, I can say 'those nutes suck'. The comparison is there in my signature and I was as transparent as possible."
it definitely looks like your never gonna change your mind on this. your pictures prove the ppm was too high! your pics prove with certain nutes you have to use a different ppm. theres nothing else to say on this subject either you dont believe it or you do
"You can't say DynaGro didn't increase your yield because you only made it to day 17. I would like to see a picture of your setup, pictures of your plants at harvest, bud shots. Show us that you are a competent grower. In regards to the plant photo above, what exactly are you looking for? You have a healthy plant there and clearly jumped-the-gun on calling a 'winner' in your 'comparison'. There are a number of skilled growers using DG with great success so my experience is not an isolated one. Start a journal and show us what Sensi can do because that's one thing the AN sensi/connoisseur crowd never does; journals their grows."
if you think an 18" plant is gonna produce more that a 3 ft plants than i dont know what to say to you anymore. if the plants were anywhere close to as big as my last crop using the 2 part than i would of finished out using the dg. its not even close! apples and oranges. like i said before theres no doubt in my mind whats happening you can ether choose to believe it or not. il say it once again i didnt start this thread to prove to people that i grow correctly i did it just to give people a heads up of what i thought incase they were interested. there is no doubt in my mind about which one of these nutes are better, at least for me and thats all that matters to me. im just sayin maybe this thread will convince some people to try the 2 part if there having good results with dyna gro. i didnt switch back to the 2 part because the plants were unhealthy i did it cause they were growing too slow
the rest of this post is a response to phillip.
"I still find it very hard to believe their is a strain that can not handle 400ppm week 2-3 of flower. In my last post I thought you were in week 1 so I guessed this was possible maybe because of the fact you had pushed to flower and the plant was still very young. After looking at your pictures and seeing that the plant was starting to form buds I just can't see how during this highly increased stage of nutrient uptake that this plant could not handle more than 300ppm."
phillip i just proved it to you. you see the tip burn in the pics i posted right? if not than il have to take clearer pics later. that happened at 400 ppm. dont forgot though thats ec x 500 not ec x 700.
"I honestly did not expect to see the plant that you had pictured there. That plant looked extremely healthy and I don't think it was fair for you to have switched back to Advanced"
i know you think its not fair thats because i dont have any pics from my last crop with the 2 part. its all good though youl understand when you do the comparison. im not here to do an experiment for this community im just here to give my opinion.
"If you were so concerned about the "cash" that was involved in this crop then you shouldn't have been doing an experiment in the first place."
like i said before im not perfect. it was definitely a bad decision but i thought i would increase my yield or at least be almost the same after i heard everyone raving about the dg
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
Burning happens within hours or at least within days. I was at day 40 before the tolls of their poorly sourced mineral salts took their toll. Look at their feeding chart and look at the composition of their nitrogen, I was feeding properly. Do you know how to feed a plant or do we need to revisit your 'plants yellowing at 1800ppm' thread?
Lets just say I lowered the levels even more, maybe .8 EC, well the yields would have been even poorer as even at day 14 I could tell Connoisseur wasn't supplying enough P and K to yield well.
Did you even read my comparison? I made several changes to the EC. I changed the level of the base, I changed the level of the additive, I even switched up the additive. I had a vested interest in yielding well. I always do.
My pictures and comparison prove that it's a poor fertilizer. The yield and leafiness of the product proves it's a poor fertilizer. The lack of pH stability proves it's a poor fertilizer. The price I paid means I'm a sucker.
In regards to your own grow, I don't know what to tell you. If you want yield, you need veg time to build branches, leaves and nodes. My plants triple in height in flower and I veg accordingly.
So where are the pictures of your plants at harvet?
phillipchristian
New Member
This is where I take issue with what homebrewer says. I don't think it is fair to take ONE side by side comparison that you did in your house and use it as a general study to prove that AN is poor nutrients. In my grow room AN produces fantastic yields and quality. I think you would be better off saying that it works better for you. It is very arrogant for you say that your controlled tests should speak for everyone and especially since none of us were in the room with you. I'm all for testing and looking forward to using Dyna but if Advanced still comes out on top I won't be running around the forum claiming that Advanced is the greatest and Dyna is "poor fertilizer.' No offense HB, but you are far from a scientest running a controlled experiment in a lab setting with multiple double blinds and studies.
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
I've been at this for maybe 11 years now. I know my way around a grow room and I know how a quality fertilizer is supposed to perform (I don't just grow medicinal herbs). I can explain why Connoisseur didn't perform well, didn't yield well, grew a leafy product and wasn't very pH stable. I'm not speaking in absolutes here but I also don't meet a lot of people who have as much experience as I have. With that being said, I try to learn from each and every plant I grow and strive for constant improvement. I'm honest with myself, I'm honest with others, I really don't like to sugar coat the performance of products. I look forward to your test and I hope you're going to be as informative as I tried to be in my review. I've said my piece, good luck!
Kali Mist at day 77, only 20 more days until harvest. Can you keep a plant healthy this long?
phillipchristian
New Member
I think you've already seen some of my bud picks homebrewer. I have been doing this as well for 12 years and the pics I showed you before were just as frosty and more dense then those when I harvested them. this isn't a pissing contest man. I am all about learning what is best for my plants but there are plenty of arguments against some of your techniques; especially using great white in a hydro setup. It's all about sharing knowledge and not saying that someone has shitty buds because they don't do things the same why I do them.
You'll be the first one I send the link to when I get things going in a few weeks. Clones will be under the same veg environment until they are rooted. Then everyhting will go up in the thread right down to reservoir ppm and ph readings. We're gonna see and if Dyna is better I will have no problem switching. Better nutes, less mixing, and cheaper? There is no downside to that. You act like I want to pay more for nutes. I have invested a lot of money into my grow room because it was warranted for what I needed it to be and for where it is. I don't want to spend a lot of money on nutes if I don't have to. Up until this point though no one has come within 20% of what Advanced gives me. We'll just have to wait and see. I just hope if Advanced does come out on top you are man enough to admit that in my room it is better. Cause you won't you won't have any other excuses to use against my system, environment, or my control of it.
See you in a month.
You'll be the first one I send the link to when I get things going in a few weeks. Clones will be under the same veg environment until they are rooted. Then everyhting will go up in the thread right down to reservoir ppm and ph readings. We're gonna see and if Dyna is better I will have no problem switching. Better nutes, less mixing, and cheaper? There is no downside to that. You act like I want to pay more for nutes. I have invested a lot of money into my grow room because it was warranted for what I needed it to be and for where it is. I don't want to spend a lot of money on nutes if I don't have to. Up until this point though no one has come within 20% of what Advanced gives me. We'll just have to wait and see. I just hope if Advanced does come out on top you are man enough to admit that in my room it is better. Cause you won't you won't have any other excuses to use against my system, environment, or my control of it.
See you in a month.
homebrewer
"Lets just say I lowered the levels even more, maybe .8 EC, well the yields would have been even poorer as even at day 14 I could tell Connoisseur wasn't supplying enough P and K to yield well."
i disagree. a healthy plant is gonna yield more than a fucked up one no matter what ppm you give it. to get top yields the most important thing is to have healthy plants. if anyone wasnt paying attention to your thread and you just showed them a picture of your plants grown with conni before the chop they would tell you those plants look completely destroyed. it looks like a bomb went off in there lol. you cant expect plants that look like that to yield well
"Did you even read my comparison? I made several changes to the EC. I changed the level of the base, I changed the level of the additive, I even switched up the additive. I had a vested interest in yielding well. I always do."
its been a while since i read your thread so i dont remember all the specifics. i hear what your sayin and thats good but even after all the changes you made the ppm was too high. im tellin you straight up without jokin if i tried out conni i would run it at 200 ppm because of all the shit ive heard.
"My pictures and comparison prove that it's a poor fertilizer. The yield and leafiness of the product proves it's a poor fertilizer. The lack of pH stability proves it's a poor fertilizer. The price I paid means I'm a sucker. "
it might be a poor fertilizer or at least worse than dyna gro but how can you tell if you havent grown healthy plants with it yet? are you sayin its impossible to grow a healthy plant with conni?
"So where are the pictures of your plants at harvest?"
damn! i wish we were having this conversation a few days ago cause i just got rid of the last of my shit from last harvest. im not trying to brag or talk bad about your final product but the weed i grew looked better than your ak. very dense with insane crystals. im definitely gonna show you some pics in like a month and a half when everythings finished
phillip
"Up until this point though no one has come within 20% of what Advanced gives me."
i love that you just said that phillip and thats good to know. after trying out another nutrient it just made me appreciate the 2 part alot more. i never thought the differences could be this great
"Lets just say I lowered the levels even more, maybe .8 EC, well the yields would have been even poorer as even at day 14 I could tell Connoisseur wasn't supplying enough P and K to yield well."
i disagree. a healthy plant is gonna yield more than a fucked up one no matter what ppm you give it. to get top yields the most important thing is to have healthy plants. if anyone wasnt paying attention to your thread and you just showed them a picture of your plants grown with conni before the chop they would tell you those plants look completely destroyed. it looks like a bomb went off in there lol. you cant expect plants that look like that to yield well
"Did you even read my comparison? I made several changes to the EC. I changed the level of the base, I changed the level of the additive, I even switched up the additive. I had a vested interest in yielding well. I always do."
its been a while since i read your thread so i dont remember all the specifics. i hear what your sayin and thats good but even after all the changes you made the ppm was too high. im tellin you straight up without jokin if i tried out conni i would run it at 200 ppm because of all the shit ive heard.
"My pictures and comparison prove that it's a poor fertilizer. The yield and leafiness of the product proves it's a poor fertilizer. The lack of pH stability proves it's a poor fertilizer. The price I paid means I'm a sucker. "
it might be a poor fertilizer or at least worse than dyna gro but how can you tell if you havent grown healthy plants with it yet? are you sayin its impossible to grow a healthy plant with conni?
"So where are the pictures of your plants at harvest?"
damn! i wish we were having this conversation a few days ago cause i just got rid of the last of my shit from last harvest. im not trying to brag or talk bad about your final product but the weed i grew looked better than your ak. very dense with insane crystals. im definitely gonna show you some pics in like a month and a half when everythings finished
phillip
"Up until this point though no one has come within 20% of what Advanced gives me."
i love that you just said that phillip and thats good to know. after trying out another nutrient it just made me appreciate the 2 part alot more. i never thought the differences could be this great
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
Look, I'm not looking to argue because you need to use what works best for you. This in all likelihood will be my last post in this thread as I'm not here to sell you on anything.
Connoisseur uses poor nitrogen sources. 56% of the nitrogen source is 'Water soluble nitrogen' which has a high foliar burn potential (http://140.254.84.203/wiki/index.php/Water_soluble_nitrogen_(WSN)). 26% is nitrate nitrogen which I like and 18% is Urea (very inexpensive nitrogen) which I do not like in hydro. When comparing Connoisseur to Sensi, I prefer sensi for it's mineral makeup but still hate the 1-1-2 NPK ratio for flower in hydro. It under supplies phosphorus and oversupplies a better composition of nitrogen as compared to Connoisseur.
People probably feed even lower than I did with Connoisseur because of the high burn potential of the majority of it's nitrogen source. But as you can see by my picture below, I was feeding low. Given where I fed, the 100ppm drops per day in my res, and how frequently I change my res (each week), I would fear that feeding even less than I did would be under supplying other elements like calcium, magnesium or phosphorus. In retrospect with Connoisseur, it seemed like I could either let the plants go deficient or see the effects of a poor nitrogen composition (which took 40 days to show). For one of the most expensive fertilizers on the market, it's simply piss poor.
Look at that range from their bottle, do you really think I was pushing things (rhetorical question)?
Up close and personal with Kali Mist:
