trayvan martin

[NoDrama]

You're talking that crap to the wrong person , here it's a half hour to forty-five minute **to the pavement** , now you extrapolate the response time , and then quit attempting to utilise such red herrings on me. Alright?


And the neighborhood watch facet is equally a red herring , perhaps you need to do some research and find out the auspices under which ' neighborhood watch' groups operate.

In addition you REALLY need to do some VERY basic reseach into self-defense law and quit yapping " pursuit is not assault" , you'll find that presumption of superior force trumps your bullshit , in other words ya pursue someone with a firearm in your hand you're already in brandishing territory along with assault , in many locales assault charges can be based (again) upon the presumption of superior force wielded in an intimidating manner.

And insofar as it goes , Zimmerman would be a bullying crack piece of shit STILL if the kid had been white , Indian or just fucking Purple and Polymorphously Perverse.


And all the bravado BULLSHIT within this thread " wel I WOULD FOLOOW aguy in my neighborhood , now what ya gonna do when the guy turns around and says to you " what the hell do you want?"

And it's a natural response , it's also a natural reponse to not take a buncha shit when the clown starts lipping off.

so YOU know for a fact Zimmerman was brandishing his weapon before he got out of the vehicle? Speculating? Also, You don't know what a red herring is, you are using that term in the wrong way.

following someone and asking them what they are doing in no way can be contrived as assault or bullying or presumption of superior force in any way by any court in the land. Following someone also doesn't make you an aggressor, it just makes you a concerned citizen.

 

[unohu69]

None of this matters unless Nancy Grace picks it up and sensationalizes the piss out of it. Pick one murder out of the hundreds that happen every year and make people angry at each other.

So while every one is discussing the importance of one death, what about the deaths the Government caused today? how many people are going to slip in the tub this morning and die? car accidents? how many deaths from smoking that devils weed? so many important issues, so little time.

how many laws are passed that only punish normal free people, for doing something they want to do, that may offend someone else? Why must every one try and push theyr view of how life should be lived on someone else?

 

[Smirgen]

I dont know if this has been posted but here are some pics of Treyvon fb page, I didnt know he was a 6foot 3inch highschool seinor and football player.


http://trayvon.tk/

 

[dbkick]

I'm out till voice analysis is done, either way if someone of ANY authority is following me they better identify themselves right off and not answer my question of why they're following me with a question of what I'm doing in my own neighborhood minding my own business. wannabe cop wasn't trained well I'm thinking. And those crying race can leave whitey out of it this time , that's the part I like about it.

 

[NoDrama]

he fancies himself an intellectual, but refuses engage with me on any non-insulting intellectual level.

Perhaps somewhere, anywhere in this thread you can find a single insult from me, go ahead see if you can find one. The only ones flinging insults are the ones who are losing the debate.

 

[NoDrama]

I'm out till voice analysis is done, either way if someone of ANY authority is following me they better identify themselves right off and not answer my question of why they're following me with a question of what I'm doing in my own neighborhood minding my own business. wannabe cop wasn't trained well I'm thinking. And those crying race can leave whitey out of it this time , that's the part I like about it.

So when you are driving on the interstate and the same car is behind you for 30 miles, you pull them over and start asking them for ID? Is that what you really do?

What is the difference between following someone and just being behind them for a spell?

 

[Moses Mobetta]

Audio recordings can be misleading. Zimmer was obviously a turd by his initial acts, chasing the guy down. But if my own life were at stake I wuldnt want it hanging on an audio recording alone. Eyewitness testimony and other factors that we can not know yet have to be examined. Rushing to judgement when a mans life is at stake is a bad idea. If he is guilty it will come out through the investigation. If so he will most likely get what he has coming. Even the smallest thread of possibility he is innocent should be looked at before we kill another man falsely accused.

 

[dbkick]

I dont know if this has been posted but here are some pics of Treyvon fb page, I didnt know he was a 6foot 3inch highschool seinor and football player.


http://trayvon.tk/

Nice. not the same looking pictures of an innocent young man .

 

[dbkick]

So when you are driving on the interstate and the same car is behind you for 30 miles, you pull them over and start asking them for ID? Is that what you really do?

What is the difference between following someone and just being behind them for a spell?

uh wtf. I'm pretty sure everyone is right about you.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

I dont know if this has been posted but here are some pics of Treyvon fb page, I didnt know he was a 6foot 3inch highschool seinor and football player.


http://trayvon.tk/

Exactly, like i said, the news is turning this into their sensationalized political agenda propaganda bull shit showing pictures of the fucker when he was 4....

 

[NoDrama]

uh wtf. I'm pretty sure everyone is right about you.

Anyone who proceeds behind you MUST have bad intentions? Right? This is your argument.

I once dropped a $20 bill and the little lady behind me saw it happen, she picked it up and followed me out of the store trying to get my attention. Perhaps I should have knocked her on her ass for being so aggressive.

 

[Carne Seca]

By the way, Zimmerman wasn't part of any neighborhood watch. He was not registered with any watch program nor did he attend any training that is required to be in a watch program. On top of that, if you are a member of a neighborhood watch program you're not allowed to carry a weapon while you're "on duty." He was on his own, looking for trouble. His aggression was apparent when talking with the dispatcher. "Assholes, always get away." was the first indication. This right before the dispatcher asked if he was pursuing Trayvon and Zimmerman said yes. Then he said the words, "fucking coon." His mindset was already set for confrontation. He had tried and convicted Trayvon before they even made contact. Once again. Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and pursued Trayvon down a sidewalk between buildings. He was chasing Trayvon. That's the only way he could have shot him. Trayvon was doing what any kid would do. Get away from the pervert. What would you do if some strange guy was following you first in a vehicle and then on foot? You would get the fuck away. Trayvon would have pulled Zimmerman out of his SUV and dragged him down a sidewalk (Zimmerman is said to be 100 lbs. heavier than Trayvon) for this to be self-defense.

Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was pursuing Trayvon. The dispatcher said to stop. Zimmerman said o.k. He agreed to quit pursuing. He then pursued Trayvon DOWN A SIDEWALK, NOT IN HIS VEHICLE and confronted Trayvon. Trayvon is dead. This is not self-defense by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[NoDrama]

By the way, Zimmerman wasn't part of any neighborhood watch. He was not registered with any watch program nor did he attend any training that is required to be in a watch program. On top of that, if you are a member of a neighborhood watch program you're not allowed to carry a weapon while you're "on duty." He was on his own, looking for trouble. His aggression was apparent when talking with the dispatcher. "Assholes, always get away." was the first indication. This right before the dispatcher asked if he was pursuing Trayvon and Zimmerman said yes. Then he said the words, "fucking coon." His mindset was already set for confrontation. He had tried and convicted Trayvon before they even made contact. Once again. Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and pursued Trayvon down a sidewalk between buildings. He was chasing Trayvon. That's the only way he could have shot him. Trayvon was doing what any kid would do. Get away from the pervert. What would you do if some strange guy was following you first in a vehicle and then on foot? You would get the fuck away. Trayvon would have pulled Zimmerman out of his SUV and dragged him down a sidewalk (Zimmerman is said to be 100 lbs. heavier than Trayvon) for this to be self-defense.

Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was pursuing Trayvon. The dispatcher said to stop. Zimmerman said o.k. He agreed to quit pursuing. He then pursued Trayvon DOWN A SIDEWALK, NOT IN HIS VEHICLE and confronted Trayvon. Trayvon is dead. This is not self-defense by any stretch of the imagination.

It didn't happen that way, treyvon was shot in the chest, so either he can't run very fast (Football player) and fat ass caught up to him, or he turned around at some point to confront Zimmerman. Those are the ONLY possible scenarios.

Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was FOLLOWING the suspect, not pursuing, pursuit means chase, you don't casually chase people and calmly talk on a phone.

 

[genuity]

By the way, Zimmerman wasn't part of any neighborhood watch. He was not registered with any watch program nor did he attend any training that is required to be in a watch program. On top of that, if you are a member of a neighborhood watch program you're not allowed to carry a weapon while you're "on duty." He was on his own, looking for trouble. His aggression was apparent when talking with the dispatcher. "Assholes, always get away." was the first indication. This right before the dispatcher asked if he was pursuing Trayvon and Zimmerman said yes. Then he said the words, "fucking coon." His mindset was already set for confrontation. He had tried and convicted Trayvon before they even made contact. Once again. Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and pursued Trayvon down a sidewalk between buildings. He was chasing Trayvon. That's the only way he could have shot him. Trayvon was doing what any kid would do. Get away from the pervert. What would you do if some strange guy was following you first in a vehicle and then on foot? You would get the fuck away. Trayvon would have pulled Zimmerman out of his SUV and dragged him down a sidewalk (Zimmerman is said to be 100 lbs. heavier than Trayvon) for this to be self-defense.

Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was pursuing Trayvon. The dispatcher said to stop. Zimmerman said o.k. He agreed to quit pursuing. He then pursued Trayvon DOWN A SIDEWALK, NOT IN HIS VEHICLE and confronted Trayvon. Trayvon is dead. This is not self-defense by any stretch of the imagination.

well put,and if anyone can not see that.they,them self,are a sad case.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

It didn't happen that way, treyvon was shot in the chest, so either he can't run very fast (Football player) and fat ass caught up to him, or he turned around at some point to confront Zimmerman. Those are the ONLY possible scenarios.

Zimmerman told the dispatcher he was FOLLOWING the suspect, not pursuing, pursuit means chase, you don't casually chase people and calmly talk on a phone.

I wish we still had a like system... But this is right. Martin was beatin the shit out of zimmerman (making him bloody and bruised with grass stains on his back yelling for help) its a open shut case of self defense.

 

[NoDrama]

I wish we still had a like system... But this is right. Martin was beatin the shit out of zimmerman (making him bloody and bruised with grass stains on his back yelling for help) its a open shut case of self defense.

But wait, Bucky already made the assumption that Zimmerman was untouched, who is telling the truth?

 

[richinweed]

The 'stand your ground' law specifically and explicitely removes the duty to retreat.

(Also, FWIW, Duty to Retreat is a little more complicated than that -- you must retreat if possible to do so without putting yourself in more danger, and in some cases it would be acceptable to attack an aggressor before they touched you, particularly if you're cornered. It's basically common sense self-defense. You can kill people to defend your life, but you can't kill them to defend your stuff, and if you can avoid getting into a situation where you have to use force, you must do so. If you can't, game's on.)

if u puposly back yerself into a corner and the can be percieved as lethal(in yer mind)...You now the the (near)right to pummel them into a perminent coma(were cop wanna-bees belong)....throw in god to the wanna-be mix and i think death and coma to good for a self righteous loozer with a cell fone....maby cutting off body parts to use to lube the barrel of the old 303 u gonna pop the fukker with.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

Nothing illegal took place untill martin got violent and started assaulting a man in his own neighborhood who was likely paranoid from a lot of breaking and entering in his area. Id be paranoid too, who wouldn't? As far as evidence and eye witness account, zimmerman did nothing illegal and thats why he is not sitting in jail.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

But wait, Bucky already made the assumption that Zimmerman was untouched, who is telling the truth?

The eye witness and the police.

 

[unohu69]

http://trayvon.tk/