trayvan martin

[desert dude]

sure you don't...

you're a shitty liar and every thread you start, you mention me. you follow me around like a lost puppy.

someone in your kitchen?

Poor UB. Swallow your pride and admit that as things stand right now, you got nothing. I am not following you around. Is it my fault that you take stupid, easily refutable positions on a number of topics?

 

[UncleBuck]

"i would bet the house and farm that the defense injects reasonable doubt into the eyewitness account. it's worthless, especially since the police were "correcting" other people's accounts, rather than just writing down what they said."

Take a breath, UB, and catch your bearings. The "defense" here will be representing Zimmer; they have no reason to "inject reasonable doubt" about the eye witness.

The prosecutor, if there is ever a charge, is going to have a very difficult time convincing a jury of this: Did Zimmer have no reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm? He was on his back taking a beating and that fact is corroborated by a policeman and an eyewitness. If a jury cannot be convinced that Zimmer had no reasonable fear, then Zimmer walks. The best a prosecutor could hope for in a case like this is a hung jury. Now, if more evidence emerges things could change.

lol.

you still don't get it.

there are two components to what you are citing, the reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm AND having exhausted all options of escape.

if you don't do both, you do not get protection under the law. he did not do both.

reasonable doubt will be thrown into an incomplete eyewitness account from through a screened window in the dark, the police reports will be brought into question since they tried to coach others into making statements they didn't want to make.

not a single picture of any injury to zimmerman? that doesn't boast well.

you can bet there will be a trotting out of a long and pathetic history of racial imbalance in handling of previous cases.

who does zimmerman have as his lawyer? some schmuck? who will be prosecuting him? the best in the country?

are they going to put trayvon's mom on the stand, play the 911 tape, and ask her if those screams of help are form her son? you bet they will.

we already have all the evidence we need to know that zimmerman's actions are not protected under the justifiable use of force law. the trial will be the real show.

zimmerman will lose every penny he has, too. not bad.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

You don't pay enough attention, pages ago.

Or is it selective?

No wonder you can't get the facts straight, hell you can't recall stuff that happened today.

I want my god damn like button back! those last 2 posts are gold.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

you're putting your faith into this police force?

smart move.

I don't get no drama on this one. He's usually all about how the police don't have a duty to protect you. If the police don't have a duty to protect you, then why do we have a duty to trust them? A cop's number one duty is to keep their job.

 

[UncleBuck]

Poor UB. Swallow your pride and admit that as things stand right now, you got nothing. I am not following you around. Is it my fault that you take stupid, easily refutable positions on a number of topics?

lol, all i have to do is look at your most recent started threads. guarantee you make sure to mention me in most of them.

as things stand right now, you are betting the house and farm on one of the most corrupt police forces i've seen.

smart.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

i would bet the house and farm that the defense injects reasonable doubt into the eyewitness account. it's worthless, especially since the police were "correcting" other people's accounts, rather than just writing down what they said.

Most likely, they will. If the police pulled this shit then they need to be shitcanned as well.

the 9/11 tapes prove he was not just sparking up a conversation about the weather, zimmerman himself twice said he was pursuing the guy. then there is the phone records from when he was talking to his girlfriend. he pursued. nothing would have happened had zimemrman simply called the cops and sat back. he was the initial provoker.

I do understand your point and I see how you're getting there. I have to go back to the fact we don't know what was said between Zim and Trayvan. If you want to speak to someone walking down the block, you have to "pursue" them to close the distance to get to speaking distance. I don't think the "law" will agree with you that that alone is enough to qualify as "provoking" a confrontation. It really does matter what transpired between them at the moment of contact.

how can he be at fault for walking home from the store?

lulz.

if zimmerman stood his ground instead of pursuing, the result would have been that trayvon ate a bag of skittles.

I was laying out an implausible scenario that would make the SYG law apply. Sorry, I thought I made it obvious I was stretching the limits of possibility.

 

[bundee1]

So you say yourself the guy looked high or a little baked? Tell me why the the transit officers shouldn't approach him? You also say this guy spent too much time a a train station ? Maybe they suspected him loitering?

Its a train station, what else are you supposed to do but sit and wait? I walk around the city baked as fuck all the time and never have cops say shit to me. In fact Ive seen cops curse and mutter when I told them a woman was doing the heroin nod right outside of the Times Square station. They blew me off and didnt want to check on her.

hmmm feeling extra lucky I've got this light skin on.

 

[UncleBuck]

You don't pay enough attention, pages ago.

Or is it selective?

No wonder you can't get the facts straight, hell you can't recall stuff that happened today.

it's a long thread.

 

[NoDrama]

His mom would NEVER get the opportunity to get on the stand and identify the help as coming from her son.

 

[bundee1]

Not to mention Zimmerman is approaching the guy hes stalking with a gun.

 

[DelSlow]

Any guesses on when the riots start? Or do you guys think this situation will remain civil?

Zim already has a bounty on his head.

 

[UncleBuck]

His mom would NEVER get the opportunity to get on the stand and identify the help as coming from her son.

enlighten me then.

i'd have her prepped for cross examination to make things even more dramatic.

"and ma'am, can you be absolutely sure those screams came form your son?"

*fighting back tears* "a mom knows her sons voice"

 

[cliffey501]

The burden of proof lies with the prosecution.Innocent until provn guilty remember.Zimmerman doesn't have to prove shit.

 

[desert dude]

lol.

you still don't get it.

there are two components to what you are citing, the reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm AND having exhausted all options of escape.

if you don't do both, you do not get protection under the law. he did not do both.

reasonable doubt will be thrown into an incomplete eyewitness account from through a screened window in the dark, the police reports will be brought into question since they tried to coach others into making statements they didn't want to make.

not a single picture of any injury to zimmerman? that doesn't boast well.

you can bet there will be a trotting out of a long and pathetic history of racial imbalance in handling of previous cases.

who does zimmerman have as his lawyer? some schmuck? who will be prosecuting him? the best in the country?

are they going to put trayvon's mom on the stand, play the 911 tape, and ask her if those screams of help are form her son? you bet they will.

we already have all the evidence we need to know that zimmerman's actions are not protected under the justifiable use of force law. the trial will be the real show.

zimmerman will lose every penny he has, too. not bad.

Trayvon was on top of Zimmer beating him. He had exhausted all possible means of escape.

 

[NoDrama]

enlighten me then.

i'd have her prepped for cross examination to make things even more dramatic.

"and ma'am, can you be absolutely sure those screams came form your son?"

*fighting back tears* "a mom knows her sons voice"

You could just get Zimmerman's mom to do the EXACT same thing.

 

[RoninAmok]

failing back to insults again thats nice.you called me a cracker? is this a hate crime? and what protocols are you even talking about?the neighboorhood watch protocols? because as someone mentioned he wasnt a member of any registered neighborhood watch groups.He was simply a concerned citizen.

Just responding to like with like there Cracker , if ya don;t like it then don't be a Zimmerman and start something you can't handle.

Ya just shot yourself in the dick by the way " only a concerned citizen" doesn't have the legal or societal right to go chasing after and confronting folks. You REALLY blew your arguement up with that.

 

[NoDrama]

Not to mention Zimmerman is approaching the guy hes stalking with a gun.

First its following in a vehicle, then its pursuit on foot, now its stalking his prey with a gun in hand. Next thing your gonna be saying that zimmerman was dressed in camo, with face paint and a M-60 machine and a machete between his teeth jumped out at trayvon from the bushes. In fact, now that I have said that, you will now believe it.

 

[esc420211]

florida: where anyone can get away with murder

except a blacc person.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Trayvon was on top of Zimmer beating him. He had exhausted all possible means of escape.

Seriously? Like not "following" him in the first place?

 

[Carne Seca]

Most likely, they will. If the police pulled this shit then they need to be shitcanned as well.




I do understand your point and I see how you're getting there. I have to go back to the fact we don't know what was said between Zim and Trayvan. If you want to speak to someone walking down the block, you have to "pursue" them to close the distance to get to speaking distance. I don't think the "law" will agree with you that that alone is enough to qualify as "provoking" a confrontation. It really does matter what transpired between them at the moment of contact.

He got out of his vehicle and followed Trayvon down a sidewalk between two buildings. Where vehicles can't go. He actively pursued him and confronted him (per the girlfriend's account). She stated she heard his headphone hit the ground like he had been shoved. That is her account. But it seems eye(ear?)witnesses only matter when they favor Zimmerman in this thread. Sorry to bring it up.