trayvan martin

[cliffey501]

are you that ignorant? Who fought in WWII? African Americans were only begrudgingly let into the military. I dont think it was a brother dropping the bomb on the Japanese. Who were the aggressors and who were the pawns?

As for "white" slavery its called so because of the blonde eastern european girls who get the most attention when theyre forced into sexual slavery. Not so much love or media coverage for the trafficked Mexican, Dominican, and Chinese women being traded by their respective cultures. That would make it sound too much like slavery still exists, you know if we cover the kind perpetrated by minorities on minorities.

Im sure the were many war hero that were minorites and as a minority yourself you should have taken this oppurtunity to mention a few and been proud of your heritage.But no you didnt , you spout more of the same.your pity party bullshit.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

not at all, my little straw boy.

my claim is that zimmerman loses the right to call what he did "standing his ground" by following him, he initially provoked the situation. that puts him squarely in 776.041 territory as the aggressor.

that means that he has to use every possible method for escape before opening up deadly force, which is unlikely since he has no blood on his shirt. he was far enough away when he fired that not a single drop was reported on his shirt.

To be an aggressor means to attack NOT approach.

 

[cliffey501]

Black people still feel persecuted for good reason.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20120305/harlem/ramarley-grahams-family-had-accused-nypd-of-harassment-before-shooting

cops THOUGHT they saw a gun in his hands. Assume assume assume it only reveals whats in your head.

And then there was OJ simpson. we could go like this all day if you like.

 

[UncleBuck]

To be an aggressor means to attack NOT approach.

not under the justifiable use of force law.

the aggressor under that statute is the one who "initially provokes" the situation, not the person who "stands his ground".

if zimmerman had stood his ground, martin would have gone home and ate skittles.

but zimmerman did not stand his ground, meaning he was the one who INITIALLY provoked the entire situation.

at that point, you are only allowed to open fire if you've exhausted all options for escape, which is unlikely since he was far enough away from trayvon that he didn't get any blood on himself when he shot him.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

 

[Carne Seca]

Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.

First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing.

"If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous."

Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons -- though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a concealed-weapons permit.

"There's no reason to carry a gun," Tutko said.

Police said Zimmerman was running an errand in his SUV -- with his gun -- when he first spotted Trayvon walking back from 7-Eleven about 7:15 p.m. Zimmerman called police to report Trayvon as suspicious, and although a dispatcher said he didn't need to follow the teen, the two got into a scuffle.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest with a 9 mm handgun, officers said. The 17-year-old died steps from the home of his father's fiancee, where he had been visiting.

A. He was not part of a recognized or registered neighborhood watch program
B. He wasn't on Neighborhood watch patrol when he followed and confronted Trayvon
C. The Sheriff's Department has a registered watch program called, Citizens On Patrol. They undergo background checks (which Zimmerman wouldn't have passed due to his history of violence), a driver's check, an hour long interview and 60 hours of training. Then they ride in pairs in a sheriff office official vehicle. Something Zimmerman avoided by joining with an unregistered unrecognized program. He never would have been on a neighborhood watch with his history.

 

[cliffey501]

A. He was not part of a recognized or registered neighborhood watch program
B. He wasn't on Neighborhood watch patrol when he followed and confronted Trayvon
C. The Sheriff's Department has a registered watch program called, Citizens On Patrol. They undergo background checks (which Zimmerman wouldn't have passed due to his history of violence), a driver's check, an hour long interview and 60 hours of training. Then they ride in pairs in a sheriff office official vehicle. Something Zimmerman avoided by joining with and unregistered unrecognized program. He never would have been on a neighborhood watch with his history.

Any neighbourhood at any time can form a neighborhood watch.You dont have to be registered with anything.You keep saying his violent history.He had no criminal record and he did pass his watch program class.

 

[londonfog]

A. He was not part of a recognized or registered neighborhood watch program
B. He wasn't on Neighborhood watch patrol when he followed and confronted Trayvon
C. The Sheriff's Department has a registered watch program called, Citizens On Patrol. They undergo background checks (which Zimmerman wouldn't have passed due to his history of violence), a driver's check, an hour long interview and 60 hours of training. Then they ride in pairs in a sheriff office official vehicle. Something Zimmerman avoided by joining with an unregistered unrecognized program. He never would have been on a neighborhood watch with his history.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Carne Seca again.

 

[Carne Seca]

Any neighbourhood at any time can form a neighborhood watch.You dont have to be registered with anything.You keep saying his violent history.He had no criminal record and he did pass his watch program class.

In 2005 he was charged with domestic violence. Previously he assaulted a police officer. Google it if you don't believe me.

Police originally told Martin’s parents that Zimmerman had a clean record. That information has turned out to be false. In 2005 a woman accused Zimmerman of domestic violence and had an injunction filed against him. The month prior he had been arrested for shoving a police officer at a bar near the University of Central Florida. Zimmerman’s prior records seem to indicate an aggressive and potentially violent man. Given the accounts of what happened the night Trayvon Martin was murdered, a pattern of behavior can be discerned. Zimmerman followed the boy even after 911 dispatchers told him not to. He continued following after the boy started to run away. He was looking for trouble.

 

[cliffey501]

In 2005 he was charged with domestic violence. Previously he assaulted a police officer. Google it if you don't believe me.

But was he convicted? Does he have a criminal record ? Go ahead and google it again.

 

[Carne Seca]

But was he convicted? Does he have a criminal record ? Go ahead and google it again.

Doesn't matter. The arrest record and the injunction would have been enough to keep him out of a registered, trained neighborhood watch program. No matter how you spin it, Zimmerman has a history of violence and racial profiling. Trayvon has a history of going to school, buying skittles and playing football.

 

[NoDrama]

not at all, my little straw boy.

my claim is that zimmerman loses the right to call what he did "standing his ground" by following him, he initially provoked the situation. that puts him squarely in 776.041 territory as the aggressor.

that means that he has to use every possible method for escape before opening up deadly force, which is unlikely since he has no blood on his shirt. he was far enough away when he fired that not a single drop was reported on his shirt.

So i see you walking around my property snooping around, I ask you where you are going, you attack me. Are you saying I have no right to defend my life because I am the one who initially attempted to make verbal contact? It won't even be ruled under that law, its plain simple self defense.

 

[cliffey501]

Doesn't matter. The arrest record and the injunction would have been enough to keep him out of a registered, trained neighborhood watch program. No matter how you spin it, Zimmerman has a history of violence and racial profiling. Trayvon has a history of going to school, buying skittles and playing football.

You can be arrested for alot of things.Innocent until proven guilty my friend.

 

[NoDrama]

Doesn't matter. The arrest record and the injunction would have been enough to keep him out of a registered, trained neighborhood watch program. No matter how you spin it, Zimmerman has a history of violence and racial profiling. Trayvon has a history of going to school, buying skittles and playing football.

no, only convictions count. Being arrested means nothing if there as no conviction or charges are dropped.

You will notice this when filling out applications for employers and such the question is asked "Have you ever been COINVICTED of a felony in the US?"

You will not find it worded "have you ever been charged or arrested for a crime"

George has a history of being arrested maybe, but the rest is pure conjecture.

 

[londonfog]

Seems like Zimmerman is always getting assaulted first

Newly available documents reveal conflicting accounts of a violent relationship in the past of George Zimmerman, the Sanford man who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month.
The court records concern a conflict between Zimmerman and his ex-fiancée, who filed a petition accusing Zimmerman of pushing her during an argument at her Orlando home in August 2005.


The woman reported Zimmerman had arrived at her home Aug. 8 and asked to talk. Later, when she asked him to leave, she said, he insisted on staying and demanded documents she had.
The woman said she offered to drop the papers off the following day, but Zimmerman became upset, took her cellphone and shoved her. A fight ensued, she said, and her dog bit Zimmerman's cheek.
Zimmerman filed his own petition the day after his ex-fiancée's, in which he claimed that she had been the aggressor in the fight. He said she called him Aug. 8 and invited him to spend the night.
He said he declined to stay overnight, and his ex accused him of leaving to see another woman or to "party" with his friends.
Zimmerman accused the woman in his petition of cursing at and striking him, and said she refused to give him documents, including mortgage papers and car-loan documents, that belonged to him.
He said she caused the wounds to his face that she blamed on her dog. Both Zimmerman and his ex-fiancée reported in their petitions that the fight wasn't the first incident of violence between them.
The ex-fiancée reported that Zimmerman had "open handed smacked" her in the mouth and berated her during an argument in January 2003.
In November 2002, Zimmerman claimed his ex had assaulted him with a baseball bat after he went to a concert without her.
The same month, the woman said, Zimmerman became angry when she came home later than usual one night. He began groping her and "said he could because I was his woman," she wrote.
Protective injunctions were later ordered in response to both petitions. Both injunctions expired Aug. 24, 2006. Reached by the Sentinel via email Tuesday, the woman would not comment.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-domestic-violence-20120321_1_petitions-documents-injunctions

 

[Carne Seca]

Poor innocent helpless Zimmerman. Forever misunderstood.

 

[Carne Seca]

no, only convictions count. Being arrested means nothing if there as no conviction or charges are dropped.

You will notice this when filling out applications for employers and such the question is asked "Have you ever been COINVICTED of a felony in the US?"

You will not find it worded "have you ever been charged or arrested for a crime"

George has a history of being arrested maybe, but the rest is pure conjecture.

Really try using that defense when you're trying to be bonded for a job.

 

[desert dude]

Doesn't matter. The arrest record and the injunction would have been enough to keep him out of a registered, trained neighborhood watch program. No matter how you spin it, Zimmerman has a history of violence and racial profiling. Trayvon has a history of going to school, buying skittles and playing football....

...getting suspended from school, assaulting a bus driver...

 

[NoDrama]

Seems like Zimmerman is always getting assaulted first

Newly available documents reveal conflicting accounts of a violent relationship in the past of George Zimmerman, the Sanford man who fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month.
The court records concern a conflict between Zimmerman and his ex-fiancée, who filed a petition accusing Zimmerman of pushing her during an argument at her Orlando home in August 2005.


The woman reported Zimmerman had arrived at her home Aug. 8 and asked to talk. Later, when she asked him to leave, she said, he insisted on staying and demanded documents she had.
The woman said she offered to drop the papers off the following day, but Zimmerman became upset, took her cellphone and shoved her. A fight ensued, she said, and her dog bit Zimmerman's cheek.
Zimmerman filed his own petition the day after his ex-fiancée's, in which he claimed that she had been the aggressor in the fight. He said she called him Aug. 8 and invited him to spend the night.
He said he declined to stay overnight, and his ex accused him of leaving to see another woman or to "party" with his friends.
Zimmerman accused the woman in his petition of cursing at and striking him, and said she refused to give him documents, including mortgage papers and car-loan documents, that belonged to him.
He said she caused the wounds to his face that she blamed on her dog. Both Zimmerman and his ex-fiancée reported in their petitions that the fight wasn't the first incident of violence between them.
The ex-fiancée reported that Zimmerman had "open handed smacked" her in the mouth and berated her during an argument in January 2003.
In November 2002, Zimmerman claimed his ex had assaulted him with a baseball bat after he went to a concert without her.
The same month, the woman said, Zimmerman became angry when she came home later than usual one night. He began groping her and "said he could because I was his woman," she wrote.
Protective injunctions were later ordered in response to both petitions. Both injunctions expired Aug. 24, 2006. Reached by the Sentinel via email Tuesday, the woman would not comment.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-domestic-violence-20120321_1_petitions-documents-injunctions

Pictures, or it didn't happen comes to mind here. The police MUST HAVE TAKEN PICTURES!!!!

 

[cliffey501]

...getting suspended from school, assaulting a bus driver...

....involved with suspected gang members, selling and possibly smoking marijuana

 

[Winter Woman]

On this one I'm going to wait and see what the FBI and other outside of Sanford have to say.

I remember that guy down in GA during the Olympics. They ruined his life and he was a heroic.

Edit: He is dead now and I know the stress didn't help.