Spike lee is an idiot. He could put an elder couple in jeopardy

KushXOJ

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Thank you, I honestly don't give a flying fuck about spike lee. I'm not trying to defend him in anyway, he's a douche I'm sure we all can agree on that. The comment that the first guy made is what made me bring race into this . I don't go trolling threads looking to start race wars but if I feel a comment is ignorant and racist I will speak on it. And that goes for either side of the equation seeing as I'm half white half black. And if you feel that saying "spike lee" or anybody for that matter should be hung is ok then somethings not right with YOU. I have not a racist bone on my body so for you to accuse me of starting race drama kind of pissed me off.
 

Total Head

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spike lee should stick to making movies. that's more than enough of a medium to indoctrinate the public with his views.

the "people like him" comment is a prime example of what happens when people make assumptions. i get the imagery that is attached to hangings in the black community, but the phrase "so and so should be hung" is not in itself racist. when the phrase is inserted into a racial discussion it is up to the observer to recognize the context, which did have to do with racism. but was the statement itself racist? would it be racist in a completely different context?

let me ask phillipchristian this: is the statement "spike lee should be hung" racist because it is about spike lee (a black man), or is it racist because of the conversation in which it was uttered (typed?), which itself has to do with racism? if i say "bill o'reilly should be hung, it's people like him that keep racism alive.", could that be considered racist because i'm mentioning hanging in the same sentence as racism, or is it not racist because bill o'reilly is white?

my point in all this is to illustrate the big sickening game of telephone that ensues when someone makes a comment and someone else assigns social or political undertones to it. what could have simply been a bad choice of words has now spiraled into a racial argument. if a racial argument was not the original intent of the comment, then who is to blame if a racial argument ensues?

this is why racial tensions will never be quelled in my lifetime.
 

ganjames

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this country loves using the media to keep one group fighting against another group...
racism is so little compared to all of the other shit going on.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
spike lee should stick to making movies. that's more than enough of a medium to indoctrinate the public with his views.

the "people like him" comment is a prime example of what happens when people make assumptions. i get the imagery that is attached to hangings in the black community, but the phrase "so and so should be hung" is not in itself racist. when the phrase is inserted into a racial discussion it is up to the observer to recognize the context, which did have to do with racism. but was the statement itself racist? would it be racist in a completely different context?

let me ask phillipchristian this: is the statement "spike lee should be hung" racist because it is about spike lee (a black man), or is it racist because of the conversation in which it was uttered (typed?), which itself has to do with racism? if i say "bill o'reilly should be hung, it's people like him that keep racism alive.", could that be considered racist because i'm mentioning hanging in the same sentence as racism, or is it not racist because bill o'reilly is white?

my point in all this is to illustrate the big sickening game of telephone that ensues when someone makes a comment and someone else assigns social or political undertones to it. what could have simply been a bad choice of words has now spiraled into a racial argument. if a racial argument was not the original intent of the comment, then who is to blame if a racial argument ensues?

this is why racial tensions will never be quelled in my lifetime.
I see you point and I do understand it. I think is is safe to say that a palpable racial undertone surrounds this entire incident in Florida. Whether it is the media or agitaters like Spike Lee that have made it this way is hard to say but the existance of race as an issue is not deniable in this instant. As far as the comments made, I took them to have a racial tone as well. Referring to a black person in a clearly racial issue and then stating they should be hung is just plain stupid. Mixing those 3 together is not a good combination.
 

Winter Woman

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Fact of the matter is the guy is an ass for evening saying that he should be hung. Do you have any clue the negative imagery that is associated with hangings in the black community? Maybe he wasn't taling about Spike Lee being the spokesperson for ALL black people but the hanging comment basically sealed his fate. It was ignorant and racist in itself. As a black person; and a human; any response after that is warranted. That guy went racial in a disgusting way; how that affects me as a black person and my response to it are really not open to judgement or interpretation from someone who doesn't understand.
I'm sorry you can't leave color behind. We are so close to a generation or two of the old guard passing away both white and black. I was hoping that when they passed that a good portion of race hate would go with them. But if you continue to react to something like hanging... There will be no hope because you won't let it go.

Yes, I'm white, but when I say 'hang', it wasn't me saying it, it has not one iota of meaning black. I know you weren't talking to me, but how do we/you not perpetuate it.
 

ganjames

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Depends on what side you are on. If you are the descriminated then it is a very REAL issue.
all sides are discriminated against.

white
black
hispanic
asian
gay
muslim


the world is full of hate... what i want to know is how so many people find the time to hate in the first place.

don't people have better things to do with their time?
 

UncleBuck

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and not to piss in your corn flakes, but lee retweeted this, someone else was the original person who tweeted it.
 

Winter Woman

Well-Known Member
and not to piss in your corn flakes, but lee retweeted this, someone else was the original person who tweeted it.
He didn't verify the vital information did he. Everyone knows to check anything that comes off of tweeter, even I know it and I'm ancient. And he knows how many people follow him. That doesn't change what he did, does it? He tweeted it, period. Damage done.

I notice you write a pass to anyone liberal.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
I'm sorry you can't leave color behind. We are so close to a generation or two of the old guard passing away both white and black. I was hoping that when they passed that a good portion of race hate would go with them. But if you continue to react to something like hanging... There will be no hope because you won't let it go.

Yes, I'm white, but when I say 'hang', it wasn't me saying it, it has not one iota of meaning black. I know you weren't talking to me, but how do we/you not perpetuate it.
Considering you are using the meaning of perpetuation of racism way out of context I'll still try and answer your questions. Having an open debate on a forum in regards to what is deemed and not deemed racist is not the perpetuation of anything. It is an open debate that I would hope would allow for an intelligent exchange of ideas. If the person who made that comment came back and said "I didn't mean it that way so don't take it that way" then I will be the first to tell them that they should be more careful when using those terms while discussing a black person and then I would apologize for jumping the gun. Till that happens, I'm going to assume they knew exactly what they were implying.

Considering you are white and live in the U.S. I am going to assume that you haven't been subject to direct racism in your life (Please do not tell me you have black friends or that you dated a black guy; every black person literally laughs when we hear that). Talking about the scars on a culture and a race or the lack of a black person to let something go that has so affected their lives in almost every aspect is very condensending of you. It's like asking a Jewish person to forget the Holocaust because it was so long ago. You don't erase 500 years of genocide in 50 years. It hasn't worked in the Jewish community; it hasn't worked in Africa; it's not going to happen here in the U.S. either. Lack of education, migration towards inner cities; racial stereotypes; drug abuse, etc... are just a few of the long lingering affects of slavery and racism in this country.

As a women I would think you would understand considering you most likely deal with sexism often. The womans suffrage movement and their right to vote took place in 1920. It's been 90 years and sexism is still visible in all walks of daily life in the U.S. If you think that the "old guard" passing will end racism in the world or in the U.S. then I have a bridge in Manhattan I can sell you. Racism is very much alive and well in the U.S. and throughout the world. If you don't believe this then that world you live in must be all strawberries and ponies.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
Therein lies the problem. Not everyone thinks in term of sides.
You are very naive to think we don't. You may not see it but almost every minority in this country does. Speaking from the ruling class gives you a very unobstructed view from the mountaintop. Try coming down into the valley and see what the view is like.
 
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