Bigz2277
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still no pics /sigh
First Hydro Grow in SuperLocker 2.0 Need seed help
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drgreentm
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funny funny "parents basement" hahaha, does that grow look like a basement to you? well none the less, you come on here saying "haters" this and "haters" that but the truth is sometimes the truth hurts. we are just being real with the guy, i never said he would get nothing, but i did say he wouldnt get what he was after in yields thats a fact. im going to assume you have no experience with this unit because you simply have no pics or relevant arguments, all you talk about is "available space" and "maximum yield" well as stated before i want pics, numbers, things like that. the op wants 8 zips a run have you got that???
my pics where to simply show you a 3 oz plant here is some 1 oz plants in a whole different room i built. they would not fit in there ether so im saying 1/2 oz ladies period.
for the record i do not think i walk on water, i just know what im talking about and im sorry that upsets you. i have a house and make good money, im also a caregiver for multiple patients and built rooms for many patients large to small and never come across a patient that couldnt give at least a 2'x4' space to grow in. maybe a young kid would save his lunch money enough to buy one of these to hide it from mom and dad because they where not kind enough to lend you there basement
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heading2cali
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funny funny "parents basement" hahaha, does that grow look like a basement to you? well none the less, you come on here saying "haters" this and "haters" that but the truth is sometimes the truth hurts. we are just being real with the guy, i never said he would get nothing, but i did say he wouldnt get what he was after in yields thats a fact. im going to assume you have no experience with this unit because you simply have no pics or relevant arguments, all you talk about is "available space" and "maximum yield" well as stated before i want pics, numbers, things like that. the op wants 8 zips a run have you got that???
my pics where to simply show you a 3 oz plant here is some 1 oz plants in a whole different room i built. they would not fit in there ether so im saying 1/2 oz ladies period.
for the record i do not think i walk on water, i just know what im talking about and im sorry that upsets you. i have a house and make good money, im also a caregiver for multiple patients and built rooms for many patients large to small and never come across a patient that couldnt give at least a 2'x4' space to grow in. maybe a young kid would save his lunch money enough to buy one of these to hide it from mom and dad because they where not kind enough to lend you there basement
You want numbers? Fine, every situation is different and my numbers aren't gonna be anyone else's but if you wanna rely on subjective and changeable information, well, that proves all I need to know about you... My first grow in the Superlocker, I started with 8 below, 3 were male ( I went with reg seeds to save $... you wanna talk down to me for that too? ). With the 5 I had left, I got between 1 and 1.5 oz. per plant. I'm now into veg week 2 of grow 2... I still consider this my first hydro grow cause I know I don't know everything and I could probably fine tune my system even more.
As far as pics go... I don't live in a medical state, yet. Pictures are what we intelligent folks call " incriminating evidence ". You can post all the pics you want. Hell, post your address, I'll pop by and say Hi, so will rippers and the feds and crack heads and etc... But again, you know more than all of us.
And judging by the way you assume everyone has money and space, even patients of yours, I can tell you are a spoiled little rich boy or maybe just raised that way... I'd have way more respect for a " young kid saving his lunch money to buy this system, cause his parents won't let him use their basement " than I have for you at this moment! The young kid probably knows how to talk to other people without sounding like a total dick... IMO
Bigz2277
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just proved you dont know shit. Reg seeds is not the way to save money lol. how is getting 5/8 fem vs 8/8 femmed saving money?You want numbers? Fine, every situation is different and my numbers aren't gonna be anyone else's but if you wanna rely on subjective and changeable information, well, that proves all I need to know about you... My first grow in the Superlocker, I started with 8 below, 3 were male ( I went with reg seeds to save $... you wanna talk down to me for that too? ). With the 5 I had left, I got between 1 and 1.5 oz. per plant. I'm now into veg week 2 of grow 2... I still consider this my first hydro grow cause I know I don't know everything and I could probably fine tune my system even more.
As far as pics go... I don't live in a medical state, yet. Pictures are what we intelligent folks call " incriminating evidence ". You can post all the pics you want. Hell, post your address, I'll pop by and say Hi, so will rippers and the feds and crack heads and etc... But again, you know more than all of us.
And judging by the way you assume everyone has money and space, even patients of yours, I can tell you are a spoiled little rich boy or maybe just raised that way... I'd have way more respect for a " young kid saving his lunch money to buy this system, cause his parents won't let him use their basement " than I have for you at this moment! The young kid probably knows how to talk to other people without sounding like a total dick... IMO
as for not being legal. i hope you get raided.
heading2cali
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wow... I wish you all the karma you deserve...
It's attitudes like yours that ruin growing! If your gonna only be negative ( especially when your signature admits you ain't a pro ), why don't you go start your own forum for talking smack and putting people down. I'm sure you'll have tons of a-holes just like yourself lining up to hear the diarrhea you spew from your mouth. You need a serious attitude adjustment, you probably need something stronger than weed.
As for wishing a raid on someone... what goes around comes around... karma is a bitch.
People are on this forum to help and be helped, what are you good for here? NOTHING but talking smack.
And I don't know shit based purely on the fact that reg seeds cost 50-75% less than fem seeds... What sense are you making?
Enjoy the karma that comes your way, don't forget, you deserve it!
funny funny "parents basement" hahaha, does that grow look like a basement to you? well none the less, you come on here saying "haters" this and "haters" that but the truth is sometimes the truth hurts. we are just being real with the guy, i never said he would get nothing, but i did say he wouldnt get what he was after in yields thats a fact. im going to assume you have no experience with this unit because you simply have no pics or relevant arguments, all you talk about is "available space" and "maximum yield" well as stated before i want pics, numbers, things like that. the op wants 8 zips a run have you got that???
my pics where to simply show you a 3 oz plant here is some 1 oz plants in a whole different room i built. they would not fit in there ether so im saying 1/2 oz ladies period.
for the record i do not think i walk on water, i just know what im talking about and im sorry that upsets you. i have a house and make good money, im also a caregiver for multiple patients and built rooms for many patients large to small and never come across a patient that couldnt give at least a 2'x4' space to grow in. maybe a young kid would save his lunch money enough to buy one of these to hide it from mom and dad because they where not kind enough to lend you there basement
Supercloset rep told me 4-5 plants... I also been reading that the pineapple chunk seeds I received can grow to huge sizes. So I decided probally to start with 3 plants of the 8 ball kush.
heading2cali
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Exactly... Do your own research. Do your own grow. Don't try to rely on my numbers or anyone else's... numbers can change with the wind ( literally )... And don't let anyone discourage you with their negativity. Look at the posts before this one and you can read first hand and see what negativity and bad vibes some people have flowing through their veins, and flowing through their grows as well! Stay positive. If you need advice, I will give you plenty of POSITIVE advice and help ( I do own the system, and I'm on my 2nd successful grow in it ), and supercloset has a great customer service team.
You can contact me anytime with set-up or maintenance issues... I'm still saying that I'm on 1st grow cause I feel I could still fine tune my system even more, EVEN THOUGH, I've already had a successful run of 5 ladies yielding about 1-1.5 oz. per plant. One piece of advice before you get started... CONDITION YOUR PLUGS WELL. The rockwool gro-plugs need to be soaked in pH'ed water in a bucket or even your reservoir for about 2-3 days. Make sure you change out the pH'ed water a few times. This will probably prevent the pH fluctuation I experienced in the beginning of my 1st run, or so I've been told. You may even want to get a digital pH meter, maybe $20 on ebay, get calibration fluid too ( so you know its accurate ), thats what I did. I use the manual pH test kit included in the supplies from supercloset to double-check my meter.
Sorry to ramble. I'm glad you are gonna " do you " and not listen to the negativity of people who wish failure on others.
Bigz2277
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Dont try to talk shit if this is your first run with that locker. I have never seen someone continue to try to harvest with one of these. they try once then make it a mother/cloner.
heading2cali
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Do you not know how to read??? As I've typed a few times: I still consider this my first grow since I believe I can still fine tune my system and I know I don't know everything yet...
What about you? No more wishing raids on me? Why don't you wish my dog dies while you're at it?
And you're gonna say something about talking $hit, what was that, diarrhea mouth? Thats all you do is talk $hit. You are a hypocrite. And a hypocrite is one of the worst things a human can be. All you've done is try to claim your opinion as fact, try to discourage a new grower, and talk $hit. What about YOUR signature? You admit you're not a pro and you ask people to "politely correct you"... What part of what you've done is the politely correcting part? One more reason you're a hypocrite.
Enjoy all the bad karma you have brought upon yourself. I'm sure you're plants absolutely love your negative vibes. You deserve everything that happens to you!
Hey on you're first grow how long were you're plants in the upper chamber (Seedling/veg area) ?? I'm assuming a little less since you had more plants ?? Basically explain you're seedling to flower time period.
heading2cali
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Awesome question... I love talking about this stuff. In the superlocker, up top, I used that area for just the seedling growth. I had them up there for about 3-3.5 weeks, until they were about six inches tall and had a nice set of roots coming out the bottom of the 2-inch net cups, maybe an inch or two. You don't wanna let the roots get too too long or transplanting to the 3-inch net cups gets a little tricky. I used the "transplant" nutes per instructions the whole time they were in the upper chamber. I used a 16/8 light cycle, Jorge Cervantes swears you get more females this way and I didn't have fem seeds. So thats the first 3-3.5 weeks, or that was the experience I had, your times could be a little less or more.
Then I transferred the best 8 down below to the veg/flower chamber. I'm sure you know all about light cycles and nutes ( start at 50% and increase very slowly, I never used more than 75% strength ) and the ICF and OdorSok combo give awesome ventilation. You got the 250 upgrade, me too. It does get a little hot. Keep it further away than you think and move it closer inch by inch, day by day, so not to burn the ladies. I veg'd the 5 fems I had left after pulling males for another 3 weeks, until they were between 10 inches and a foot. So now we're up to 6/7 weeks total from taking them off the wet paper towel they germ'd on.
The 5 fems I had left flowered for about 8 weeks. Again I used the nutes provided at about 75% strength. 12/12 lights... all that jazz. You seem smart, or atleast willing to learn, get a book or two, read up and apply that knowledge to your individual situation.
All total, my 5 ladies gave me anywheres from 26g's to 42/43g's per plant... not too shabby for the space I had to use. Also bears to mention that I used a CO2 system I borrowed from a friend.
GOOD LUCK!!! let me know how it goes.
Awesome question... I love talking about this stuff. In the superlocker, up top, I used that area for just the seedling growth. I had them up there for about 3-3.5 weeks, until they were about six inches tall and had a nice set of roots coming out the bottom of the 2-inch net cups, maybe an inch or two. You don't wanna let the roots get too too long or transplanting to the 3-inch net cups gets a little tricky. I used the "transplant" nutes per instructions the whole time they were in the upper chamber. I used a 16/8 light cycle, Jorge Cervantes swears you get more females this way and I didn't have fem seeds. So thats the first 3-3.5 weeks, or that was the experience I had, your times could be a little less or more.
Then I transferred the best 8 down below to the veg/flower chamber. I'm sure you know all about light cycles and nutes ( start at 50% and increase very slowly, I never used more than 75% strength ) and the ICF and OdorSok combo give awesome ventilation. You got the 250 upgrade, me too. It does get a little hot. Keep it further away than you think and move it closer inch by inch, day by day, so not to burn the ladies. I veg'd the 5 fems I had left after pulling males for another 3 weeks, until they were between 10 inches and a foot. So now we're up to 6/7 weeks total from taking them off the wet paper towel they germ'd on.
The 5 fems I had left flowered for about 8 weeks. Again I used the nutes provided at about 75% strength. 12/12 lights... all that jazz. You seem smart, or atleast willing to learn, get a book or two, read up and apply that knowledge to your individual situation.
All total, my 5 ladies gave me anywheres from 26g's to 42/43g's per plant... not too shabby for the space I had to use. Also bears to mention that I used a CO2 system I borrowed from a friend.
GOOD LUCK!!! let me know how it goes.
Ok so from seedling u keep them in the upper chamber for 3.5 weeks. Is in possible to clone 3.5 weeks before harvest to keep an rotating system ??
Ok here is a list of the BASIC stuff I have learned. Please comment on anything wrong or go into detail. Remember Im getting the superlocker 2.0
- Soak rockwoll in ph'd water for atleast 1 day.
- Keep tap water out for a couple of days. Is it necessary to keep water left out if it already has
good ph, ppm, etc ?
- Getting screen covers to put in vents to keep out dust and bugs. Where can I get this and
what style ?
- Wash grow rocks off.
- Start off using only about 50 percent nutes then gradually up to 75 percent. Maybe even less,
I heard the 8 ball kush don't like them as much.
- Keep plants in upper seedling/veg chamber until plant have developed 3-4 leaf sets.
- Gonna use 3% hydrogen peroxide for root rot. Not sure on amount though?
- Don't open door when light is off. Do plant upkeep when light is on.
- Start trimming lower branches first for better light. How do u know which brances to trim ?
- Am I suppose to trim roots too ??
- Going 18/6 seedling veg top chamber then 12/12 flowering lower chamber.
- Heard SOG method was the best. But what does this actually do?
- Lights off last 2-3 days before harvest. Fan, water, etc too ??
- Don't know when to harvest ?
- Soak rockwoll in ph'd water for atleast 1 day.
- Keep tap water out for a couple of days. Is it necessary to keep water left out if it already has
good ph, ppm, etc ?
- Getting screen covers to put in vents to keep out dust and bugs. Where can I get this and
what style ?
- Wash grow rocks off.
- Start off using only about 50 percent nutes then gradually up to 75 percent. Maybe even less,
I heard the 8 ball kush don't like them as much.
- Keep plants in upper seedling/veg chamber until plant have developed 3-4 leaf sets.
- Gonna use 3% hydrogen peroxide for root rot. Not sure on amount though?
- Don't open door when light is off. Do plant upkeep when light is on.
- Start trimming lower branches first for better light. How do u know which brances to trim ?
- Am I suppose to trim roots too ??
- Going 18/6 seedling veg top chamber then 12/12 flowering lower chamber.
- Heard SOG method was the best. But what does this actually do?
- Lights off last 2-3 days before harvest. Fan, water, etc too ??
- Don't know when to harvest ?
heading2cali
Member
wow... a lot of info there... and you got the majority of it right on, just remember that the plants never read books. They do whatever they want. you can't be rigid on the timelines and stuff, let your plants tell you when they need a trim, or they're ready to transfer... don't just say 3 weeks no matter what. get what i'm saying?
I'm just gonna go down the list one by one... but like I said, my superlocker isn't your superlocker, adjust for YOUR situation.
I'd soak the rockwool a little longer, maybe 2-3 days. I didn't soak enough and my pH was haywire for the first 2 weeks.
Tap water is left out to let the chlorine dissipate. 24 hrs is fine. that has NOTHING to do with ppm or pH. still check ppm and pH AFTER you add nutes and again about an hour after you add any new liquid to your res. This will help you to notice pH swings and accommodate them in the future.
Screen covers... GREAT IDEA! why didn't i think of that? I just keep a pretty tidy operation and thats never been a problem in my neck of the woods.
Wash hydroton (grow rocks) very well... the sediment WILL clog your water pump if they ain't washed really really good. And I soak em with the rockwool, but maybe I'm going overboard?
Nutes at 50%, you may never need to go higher than that... you're plant will let you know. Maybe even less.
Plants in upper chamber don't really go pass seedling stage, maybe, maybe very very early veg stage, but mainly seedling. And transfer based on root size AND leaf development. Like I said, those roots get too long and inter-tangled, you'll never get them out of the 2" net cups and into the 3" 's... not without ripping half your roots out. *Upper chamber is mainly for seedlings, I've told Rory over at supercloset they should change the product description on that. There is NOT even close to enough room up top to veg properly, you'll see. But when you're plants are 4 weeks or so from harvest, you start more seed or clones and throw 'em up top and you're a month ahead of yourself.
Hydrogen Peroxide, never heard of this, but again cleanliness is king. change your res ATLEAST once a week. change it fully. drain it with the water pump per instructions, and then I use an old hand-held siphon pump and get out the last half inch of old water. It was $8 and worth every penny, check ebay or even auto parts stores for a hand-held siphon pump. Also, maintaining an ACCURATE and correct pH (5.8/5.9) will also prevent rot root and fungus and algae build up... Again I recommend buying a digital pH meter.
ALLWAYS keep light locked in ( or out ), this prevents " light confusion " and stress on your plants. Yes, all upkeep with lights on. Door closed tight with lights off. I'll go a step further: to prevent even more stress on your ladies, if you do anything to the plants (transplant, etc. ) do it right before the light goes out. Then the plants have their " night time " to heal from stress, and don't have to photosynthesize or do much else but recover in the dark.
Trimming: NEVER trim roots, some say you can, but I don't. Thats how the plants get the majority of all its nutes, the roots. Why cut them, stress the plant, limit their intake and anything else negative that could result. Trim roots only if you truly believe you need to and there is no other way. Trimming leaves and what-not, again, your plant will let you know. See a dead leaf, pull it. See a bunch of " sucker " leaves towards the base, trim em off. This is where you gotta listen to your plants and act according to your situation. Sorry, not too helpful, I know.
I used the T5 light in the seedling chamber 24hrs ON. transferred down to veg/flower chamber, so they could grow right. Veg was 18/6, until they were between 1/3 and 1/2 of their available space. Then, switch to 12/12 to flower. You gotta make sure you leave enough space for growth and nug production when you go from veg to flower, 18/6 to 12/12.
SOG method means " Sea of Green "... Any garden with closely bunched plants, usually grown smaller than larger for rapid harvests qualifies as a "sea of green". Get it, it looks like a sea of green if you got a large garden. Use your net trellis, per instructions. You will then technically be using a SOG method, assuming you got 4-5 ladies ( or more ).
Fans ALLWAYS stay on, ALLWAYS!!! unless you're using CO2. Yes, lights off for the last 2-3 days, this cranks up resin production. I would stop the nutes maybe 2 weeks before harvest. the plants use up the nutes available in the res and then within themselves, that way when you smoke after curing and drying, your nugs don't taste like fert. I would stop watering maybe 3-5 days before I'm totally finished, so the plant can use up available moisture and almost begin to pre-dry itself... All this is definitely NOT a substitute for proper drying and curing. That must be done as well.
Harvest, again, your plants will tell you. Usually I chop 'em when the trichomes are mostly milky white. Some will be further along than others, but I use an "acceptable average" theory.
I'd suggest buying a book or two if you really want some solid knowledge. Start with a " Basics " book, you don't really need in-depth plant science, not yet. Jorge Cervantes has a great "basics" book that I've read. And I'm sure you've heard talk of "the bible" by Cervantes, not bad either, but maybe a little to in-depth at times. Rosenthal is another good author.
I hope I've helped. I wish I had someone to ask these questions to when I had just got my superlocker. If there is anything else, don't hesitate. Above all, remember, I don't know everything, this is just what I did, what worked for me. Your situation may be different.
Let me know how it all goes... Let me know if you have any set-up questions. I had my wife help me set it up and it took an extra couple of hours, but we did it. And I figure it's good she know the system just in case she ever has to step up and take care of it.
PEACE and GOOD KARMA
heading2cali
Member
Oh... and I forgot one more piece of info... you got the 250watt HPS upgrade too, right?
Over here on the east coast, its starting to warm up, I'm starting to get some issues ( I think ) with heat build up.
The good side to that? With the 250 upgrade you get a digital "dimmable" ballast. I'm considering dimming my ballast down to the 175watt mark, 150 if I still have problems. Read your ballast instructions when you get them and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Over here on the east coast, its starting to warm up, I'm starting to get some issues ( I think ) with heat build up.
The good side to that? With the 250 upgrade you get a digital "dimmable" ballast. I'm considering dimming my ballast down to the 175watt mark, 150 if I still have problems. Read your ballast instructions when you get them and you'll see what I'm talking about.
heading2cali
Member
67 degrees, hmmm... that should be ok. I've been running my A/C at the temp of 66 degrees on the "dry" setting to compensate for the bulb heat, so 67 should work out for you. I'm guessing its in your basement by the way you're saying its 67 degrees and I'm assuming its almost constant. I would just be worried about the humidity in a basement. Maybe a dehumidifier would help you the way the A/C helps me?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
- Meast21 Overall how happy are you with you Superlocker 2?
I would like to get one..
What have your inside Temps been like while running the 250W?
Is the Carbon filter good??? Smell Free???
Are there any Light Leaks??? or is it 100% Light leak proof???
Is the Hygroponics system that comes with the Superlocker easy to learn for a beginner??? Easy to maintain??? Easy to change the water out???
Any other Pros and Cons you have had..
Thanks!
Haven't received it yet. Probally getting it next week.