trayvan martin

[Justin00]

The sad part is that we are all still racist, and no one even sees it. And i'm not just talking about white and latino ppl, as long as we are referring to ppl as black, white, asian, or latino we are mentally separating everyone into groups that we have expectations of, and thats the definition of racism. How am I as a white male supposed to be able to forget racism and move on to peaceful existence with the rest of my friends, family, and society when every time i expose my self to any type of social or media interaction all anyone talks about is racism, how bad it is here or there, what happened here or there, why im a bad person for being white, and how i have to be careful of everything i say because there might be someone around who will think im racist. (even something as simple as the clique "you people" directed at a group not containing yourself and containing at least one person of African decent)

This is one of the few situations where bringing more attention to it, and keeping it in the social spotlight, pointing fingers at causes, and constantly reminding us is only going to worsen the problem. It will continue to heighten the any remaining conflict and will spur a wave of resentment of all involved directed at there accusers/persecutors.

In my paraphrase and interpretation of the words of Smokey the Bear - "Only you can prevent racism!" by not continuing it. and every single one of us who said well if they would do this or stop that (things like BET, and the NAACP (had a purpose at one time, now its just the new Klan) do incite anger in me) (over half of my black friends feel the need to tell me regularly how hard it is to be black, and how unfairly they get treated at every thing, even when its perfectly clear that a large number of there problems are caused but personal decisions)....... we are still being racist, lets let it go and move on.

 

[NLXSK1]

The sad part is that we are all still racist, and no one even sees it. And i'm not just talking about white and latino ppl, as long as we are referring to ppl as black, white, asian, or latino we are mentally separating everyone into groups that we have expectations of, and thats the definition of racism. How am I as a white male supposed to be able to forget racism and move on to peaceful existence with the rest of my friends, family, and society when every time i expose my self to any type of social or media interaction all anyone talks about is racism, how bad it is here or there, what happened here or there, why im a bad person for being white, and how i have to be careful of everything i say because there might be someone around who will think im racist. (even something as simple as the clique "you people" directed at a group not containing yourself and containing at least one person of African decent)

This is one of the few situations where bringing more attention to it, and keeping it in the social spotlight, pointing fingers at causes, and constantly reminding us is only going to worsen the problem. It will continue to heighten the any remaining conflict and will spur a wave of resentment of all involved directed at there accusers/persecutors.

In my paraphrase and interpretation of the words of Smokey the Bear - "Only you can prevent racism!" by not continuing it. and every single one of us who said well if they would do this or stop that (things like BET, and the NAACP (had a purpose at one time, now its just the new Klan) do incite anger in me) (over half of my black friends feel the need to tell me regularly how hard it is to be black, and how unfairly they get treated at every thing, even when its perfectly clear that a large number of there problems are caused but personal decisions)....... we are still being racist, lets let it go and move on.

If the government wanted to eliminate racism they wouldnt categorize and quantify people as minorities, etc. They wouldnt include race on about every government form there is. The government teaches us class warfare so we fight amongst each other while not realizing who the true enemy is.

 

[really comfy slippers]

If the government wanted to eliminate racism they wouldnt categorize and quantify people as minorities, etc. They wouldnt include race on about every government form there is. The government teaches us class warfare so we fight amongst each other while not realizing who the true enemy is.

Brilliant really

 

[cliffey501]

If the government wanted to eliminate racism they wouldnt categorize and quantify people as minorities, etc. They wouldnt include race on about every government form there is. The government teaches us class warfare so we fight amongst each other while not realizing who the true enemy is.

The government teaches us class warfare so we fight amongst each other while not realizing who the true enemy is.


George Carlin?

 

[NLXSK1]

The government teaches us class warfare so we fight amongst each other while not realizing who the true enemy is.


George Carlin?

Reality cliffey, Reality...

 

[cliffey501]

Reality cliffey, Reality...

Yes I agree 100%.George Carlin said something very similar to this I thought you were quoting him.

 

[bundee1]

Go fuck yourself. And my expertise doesn't come from the net ya idiotic clown. Get the fuck back to me when you actually know which end of an Endswell is which , you know jackshit on this subject , I do and YEAH I do have some "expertise" you punk , maybe you can figure out the why and how of it.

Like I stated get the fuck back to when you know how to use an Endswell.

Ive blown up NLSXK1's bullshitting ass more times than he cares to remember. He talks out of his ass constantly. No experience cites the internet, talks about tax breaks for job creation and he has a one man business. Grade A asshat.

 

[bundee1]

Don't have much time as I have to go to work, but here is a quick explanation:

Under Florida's SYG law Trayvon's action might have been legitimate. He was followed by an unknown man on a dark, rainy night. The man approached him and Trayvon sees that he is armed. Fearing for his life, Trayvon punches the man and knocks him to the ground. He then climbs on top and proceeds to bash his skull into the ground until the man (Zimmer) is immobile. Zimmer dies. Trayvon claims he feared for his own life. Given that set of circumstances, Trayvon would probably be shielded by SYG.

Zimmer was acting as a neighborhood watchman. he observes a suspicious person eyeballing homes in a neighborhood plagued by burglaries. He approached the man (Trayvon) and asks him what he is doing in the neighborhood. Annoyed that he is being questioned by a stranger Trayvon punches the stranger (Zimmer) in the face knocking him to the ground, then mounts him and proceeds to wail on him. Zimmer, fearing for his life, manages to draw his legal weapon and puts a round through Trayvon's chest. Trayvon expires. Given that set of circumstances, Zimmer is shielded by SYG.

Scenario two seems to be what happened.

The two scenarios are exactly the same, except Trayvon got shot not in the manner you described. What makes it racist are Zimmerman's prejudgment of Trayvon, his treatment of Trayvon, and the police cover up.

No racism here. I find it hilarious that the only two people who have admitted to being racist are two minorities. Goes to show how honest this discussion is.

 

[NLXSK1]

Ive blown up NLSXK1's bullshitting ass more times than he cares to remember. He talks out of his ass constantly. No experience cites the internet, talks about tax breaks for job creation and he has a one man business. Grade A asshat.

You are a legend in your own mind....

 

[bundee1]

If the government wanted to eliminate racism they wouldnt categorize and quantify people as minorities, etc. They wouldnt include race on about every government form there is. The government teaches us class warfare so we fight amongst each other while not realizing who the true enemy is.

Wisdom? There is a greater enemy but the everyday indignities should not be overlooked. White kids dont get followed around big retail stores unless its an all white town. Tell me different folks.

 

[cliffey501]

Wisdom? There is a greater enemy but the everyday indignities should not be overlooked. White kids dont get followed around big retail stores unless its an all white town. Tell me different folks.

WAAAH get over it man.Your reacting exactly the way the race baiters want you too.

 

[phillipchristian]

Which is exactly what I've previously stated. He doesn't have *any* obvious injuries whatsoever. Certainly not the sort you'd expect to view if a guy was getting his ass beaten so badly that he had to shoot the guy.

Watch out guys, I can tell that RoninAmok is flaming the shit out of this thread like he owns it. He did the same to us yesterday on a thread in Toke n' Talk. Once he doesn't agree with you he just goes bananas and starts making shit up and accusing you of all kinds of BS. Seriously, just ignore him cause it's impossible to reason with this...

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I'm outta here. Good luck guys. Watch the 15 posts of flaming wrath that are about to follow or go check out the "Spike Lee" thread in T&T.

 

[patlpp]

I am suprized what a buzz I have with 2 tramadol and 2 shots of bourbon. It made me think in a differnt perspective. If the perp is a white hispanic, does that mean obama is a white african-american?

what the hell does race have to do with any of this?

My statement was to show that the media has made this into a race issue. Why the term "White Hispanic" coined by the NY times? Why did Sharpton and Jackson get into the picture and the Black Panther crap; not to mention Spike Lee (WTF?)? Why did NBC fail to mention that the dispatcher asked Zimmerman what his perceived race of the perp was, instead they report him stating only "he's black" as if he stated it on his own.

To me, The hardcore evidence is Zimmerman was told NOT to pursue, to wait for LE. All neighborhood watch groups are told to follow LE instructions at all times. If Zman would have done what he was told, none of this would have happened. By him continuing to pursue, he has crossed into vigilantism.

 

[desert dude]

Thank you sir. I appreciate it. Next time save your arrogant shit for someone who is actually incoherent and illiterate.

Zimmerman is a self appointed watchman.. Which holds Zero weight in the eyes of the law. Same reason those self appointed super heros go to jail after mollywhopping a car jacker.. When he stepped out of his vehicle, his SYG case goes out of the window... He went to Trayvan's ground. You can't Claim SYG when you approach the other party or when someone starts to defend themself an starts handing you a beating. In my opinion.

I apologize if I seemed arrogant. I did not understand your original question, and it was not exactly phrased in a polite manner, but, hey this is the internet and arrogance is what makes it all so fun. Next time, if you ask me a question, make it clear what your question is.

To your point about Z being "self appointed" etc. It makes no difference, legally. Go read UB's link to the Florida law (776.041, exception 2a). That section shields Z's actions. The only question is whether Z "reasonably" feared great bodily harm or death. UB continually cites the "duty to retreat" portion of that exception but given the evidence (Z was on his back taking a beating) it seems pretty clear that Z could not retreat.

As to the reasonableness of Z's fear of great bodily harm or death, it does seem reasonable to me. If somebody had punched me in the face and knocked me to the ground and then proceeded to climb on top of me to continue the beating, I would fear great bodily harm or death. I think I am a reasonable person. Please note that there is no requirement in the law that says you "must be severely injured or else your fears are unreasonable". In my opinion, that is why Z was not charged and why he will never be convicted if he is charged... UNLESS some new evidence emerges that puts the lie to Z's claims.

 

[abandonconflict]

NLSXK1. Grade A asshat.

Ass wagon is the term I use.

 

[NoDrama]

hey cliffey, how many canadians go bankrupt and lose their houses over medical debt? i bet it's far less (percentage wise and overall) than we have.

When you declare bankruptcy, you get to keep your primary residence. Yes, it is true that Americans who have declared bankruptcy had to give up their homes, but not the one they live in, just the extra homes they have laying around.

There is no epidemic of people losing their homes over medical bills in the USA.

 

[desert dude]

The two scenarios are exactly the same, except Trayvon got shot not in the manner you described. What makes it racist are Zimmerman's prejudgment of Trayvon, his treatment of Trayvon, and the police cover up.

No racism here. I find it hilarious that the only two people who have admitted to being racist are two minorities. Goes to show how honest this discussion is.

Please describe for us how Trayvon did get shot then. Feel free to cite any evidence you have to back up your description.

"No racism here. I find it hilarious that the only two people who have admitted to being racist are two minorities. Goes to show how honest this discussion is."
We get it, you have vast "street experience" that none of the rest of us have The rest of us are all sheltered in Alabaster cocoons, hence our experience is only applicable to drinking tea while discussing the stock market and the best way to further oppress those who we already oppress. You don't have to say it again. We get it.

 

[NoDrama]

.In zimmermans head he probably see's it as self defense.

The Crux of what a trial would find. DID Zimmerman BELIEVE his life was in danger? If he did, then they will find it justified. Of course that isn't saying he won't get some kind of punishment, the wolves are at the door and they want their pound of flesh.

 

[desert dude]

The Crux of what a trial would find. DID Zimmerman BELIEVE his life was in danger? If he did, then they will find it justified. Of course that isn't saying he won't get some kind of punishment, the wolves are at the door and they want their pound of flesh.

Amen, northern brother, amen.

 

[cliffey501]

The Crux of what a trial would find. DID Zimmerman BELIEVE his life was in danger? If he did, then they will find it justified. Of course that isn't saying he won't get some kind of punishment, the wolves are at the door and they want their pound of flesh.

Personally If I were zimmerman I would just confess to murder.I mean really even if this does go to trail and he is proven to be not guilty, he will still be guilty in the court of public opinion.At Least if he serves jail time most people will forget about it.