How do I make my AutoFlowering plants Hermie??

[PhatDaddy]

I have some Low Rider's that are going in the soil in a few hours, and want to create a hermie so I can self pollinate, and produce feminized seeds, increasing the efficiency of the system I want to build (3 tanks, 3 stages, constant cropping).

I know these guys are tough as nails, and light itself won't make it hermie. I've even read people doing weird hours also, like 1 on 5 off, 6 on, 3 off, and all sorts of funny business, and nothing.

Now the second method is chemical induced hermaphrodism, so messing with the PH, nutrients, poking and prodding at the plant, pretty much treat it like shit.

Does anybody have ideas, suggestions, or guides to do that? It would save me loads of time having only females (obviously).

Thanks,
PD

 

[jody709]

bad idea.. Just buy some Lowryder regular seeds.. stop buying feminized seeds if you want to breed.. Not to many people on here are going to give you advice to stress your plant.. thats not what its all about.. you want you plant to do great and to thrive : ) If your going to breed I suggest that you get a nice strong male and let him pollinate one or two of your girls. then youll have strong plants.. not hermie prone plants

 

[djlifeline]

Yeah dude. Hermi a fem and pollinate itself your likely to get herm seeds. It needs to herm and pollinate another fem to get true fem seeds. But even then low lying traits of herm but should be ok. Look at colloidal silver method. Or like above said - male and female. Best way to go. Hope this helps!

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

i am attempting the same thing, not sure if it will work but what im doing is, I cut off some of the smaller popcorn bud branches, dipped it in rooting powder and am attempting to root the tiny little bud. im just going to let it live out its days in my veg cab. im hoping that after it goes past the "ripe" stage it puts out some nanners, then im going to use a paint brush to help it pollinate the one little bud. if this works i should have an exact duplicate of the original plant (obviously some different pheno's is to be expected)

another way to stress your plant to hermie is by using a compound called "collidal silver" if this is something you plan on doing alot then it may be worth it to but a small DIY collidal silver kit and just make your own, otherwise you can just buy some. make sure you do a bit of research on the method to see the technical specs of using this if it is the route you choose. im hoping the extended over ripening will do the trick for me

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

bad idea.. Just buy some Lowryder regular seeds.. stop buying feminized seeds if you want to breed.. Not to many people on here are going to give you advice to stress your plant.. thats not what its all about.. you want you plant to do great and to thrive : ) If your going to breed I suggest that you get a nice strong male and let him pollinate one or two of your girls. then youll have strong plants.. not hermie prone plants

why wouldnt we give him advice on a known breeding technique?

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

Yeah dude. Hermi a fem and pollinate itself your likely to get herm seeds. It needs to herm and pollinate another fem to get true fem seeds. But even then low lying traits of herm but should be ok. Look at colloidal silver method. Or like above said - male and female. Best way to go. Hope this helps!

forcing a plant to hermi will not make it pass on hermaphrodite traits, only plants that hermi on thier own pass these traits down, but i do agree with you on pollinating another female instead of self polination. seems like imbreeding to me but i dont know much on the technicalities of self polination so i cant say for sure which would be better.

 

[jody709]

forcing a plant to hermi will not make it pass on hermaphrodite traits, only plants that hermi on thier own pass these traits down, but i do agree with you on pollinating another female instead of self polination. seems like imbreeding to me but i dont know much on the technicalities of self polination so i cant say for sure which would be better.

whats the dif between a plant being stressed to hermie and on that hermies on its own?

Dont mean to sound like a dick or a know it all lol ( far from either )

im still learning to.
thanks guys

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

whats the dif between a plant being stressed to hermie and on that hermies on its own?

Dont mean to sound like a dick or a know it all lol ( far from either )

im still learning to.
thanks guys

the difference is that a plant forced to hermie wouldnt have on its own, meaning the traits to hermie in that plant are extremely low. (hermi traits are in every canabis plant, its a survival mechanism)

a plant that hermies on its own without being stress induced has much larger levels of the hermie trait, so if you self polinate this plant you are creating an almost identical offspring of the mother plant.

forcing a plant to hermie is a age old trick and that is how these breeders make "feminized" seeds. the problem is some of these breeders are lazy and only think about the $$ so they dont mind passing off feminized offspring with a higher hermie trait. this is why they say fem seeds have a high chance to hermie, because breeders arent as selective as you would hope.

like i said above, hermie is a survival tactic for these plants and every Mj plant carries the genes or traits to produce both sexual reproductive organs. some plants will hermie right from the start and produce just as many "nanners" as they do calyx. some only produce 1-2 nanners and is almost a full fledged female. some produce 80% male parts and 20% female , so you see it all depends on how strong the hermie genes are in the plant

i am by far a profesional on the subject but i do know there is a huge amount of incorect information being spread on these boards about hermies .

here is a good video
(sorry for jacking your thread OP)

[video=youtube;CwndxS1zvsg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwndxS1zvsg[/video]

 

[jody709]

Wow.. thank you!! that video was excellent.

 

[Jogro]

I have some Low Rider's that are going in the soil in a few hours, and want to create a hermie so I can self pollinate, and produce feminized seeds, increasing the efficiency of the system I want to build (3 tanks, 3 stages, constant cropping).

I know these guys are tough as nails, and light itself won't make it hermie. I've even read people doing weird hours also, like 1 on 5 off, 6 on, 3 off, and all sorts of funny business, and nothing.

Now the second method is chemical induced hermaphrodism, so messing with the PH, nutrients, poking and prodding at the plant, pretty much treat it like shit.

Does anybody have ideas, suggestions, or guides to do that? It would save me loads of time having only females (obviously).

Thanks,
PD

Most commercially developed lines (including lowryder) "should" have been selectively bred over many generations NOT go "go hermie" because of simple light or other stress. So while you *might* be able to get it to work with pH shock, bizarre lighting, etc, I wouldn't bet on it. Not only is it more likely than not that this won't work, all that stress will likely hurt or even kill the plants.

If you're absolutely committed to making your plant go hermie, the best way to do that is with colloidal silver or gibberellic acid. That's how the pros do it, and you can read about how to do this in many places on the net, including this board, if you do a search.

Note that while I don't personally believe that the "feminization" process of creating "hermie" father plants, makes the offspring plants more likely to "go hermie" so to speak, I still think its overrated. Having the ability to raise males can be helpful, both to perpetuate your lines, and also to do crosses (should you ever want to do that). Its debatable whether or not seeds created this way are less potent than the parents or have other genetic abnormalities (again, I think this is probably NOT the case), but why take chances?

If I were you, I'd just get a few "regular" plants, cross them normally to create a buttload of normal seeds, then grow them as normal. Since autoflowers show sex early and tiny, its very easy to start a bunch of plants in cups, then cull the males while they are tiny. Having a few really young males in your "seedling" area really won't take much space at all.

 

[Jogro]

Responding to the video above, I believe its true that EVERY dioecious plant in nature has the ability to "go hermaphrodite", not just cannabis.

Also, my understanding is that virtually ALL wild cannabis strains will do this; the trait is not only "not rare", in fact, its typical. This tendency of female plants to make some male flowers is only rare in commercial strains because its been selectively bred out over many generations, since the trait is undesirable for indoor and commercial growing.

I've made the point elsewhere, I'll make it again here. Forcing female plants to make male flowers (or vice versa) does not change their underlying genetic content. All the female and male flowers created this way still retain all the genes of the original plant. No genes are added; no genes are subtracted. Therefore, creating "feminized" offspring from female plants fertilized by other female plants CANNOT increase the likelihood that the offspring will go hermie! The offspring MUST contain some 50-50 mixture of genes from each parent, the same as in a "normal" cross, and therefore the offspring will have the same tendencies to "go hermie" as the parent plants.

 

[pharmacoping]

i have used gibberelic acid and colloidal silver, only a hundred times though, and never got a "Hermaphrodite" expression. You are not trying to produce "balls" or "bananas", rather attempting to cause the plant to show a single "male finger" or stamina, with the true feminized pollen, not hermaphrodizm. I get no hermies this way, in either the host or the progeny plants, and many will express this finger if left to flower longer than normal, or exposed to a shortened light supply, which are preferred methods. there are preparations available for ten bucks online

I would get a pack of reg seeds and do as suggested earlier

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

i have used gibberelic acid and colloidal silver, only a hundred times though, and never got a "Hermaphrodite" expression. You are not trying to produce "balls" or "bananas", rather attempting to cause the plant to show a single "male finger" or stamina, with the true feminized pollen, not hermaphrodizm. I get no hermies this way, in either the host or the progeny plants, and many will express this finger if left to flower longer than normal, or exposed to a shortened light supply, which are preferred methods. there are preparations available for ten bucks online

I would get a pack of reg seeds and do as suggested earlier

my problem with getting reg seeds is i got this auto hobbit for free, 1 seed and its almost done. it was a increadibly good pheno and i would like to preserve it. if i breed it with a true male from a photoperiod plant it will not carry over 100% of the ruderelis traits it will be a 50/50 auto/photo. so in order for me to get some more of these beans for FREE i want to attempt to hermie this one and get it to polinate itself. this auto has been amazing, it has gone well over its 65 day mark but it is a beutifull plant, i have smoked some of the less potent popcorns off it and they seem to give me that energetic high im looking for. so buying another batch of seeds really is not an option for me, as it may not be an option for the original poster either, and maybe he wants to try his hand at making some feminized seeds so he can cut the guesswork out.

 

[ohmy]

Little late if it is all most done... A plant needs a good 4 weeks to make healthy seeds. less time then that you will end up with crap load of no good seeds.order regular seeds or use c.s on a female that just showed sex. not at end of flower cycle

 

[PhatDaddy]

Wow, I didn't expect this post to explode like it did! Loads of good info in here.

I just watched that video, and learned quite a bit about the genetics from it. From what I can tell, and read after posting this, the Colloidal Silver method seems to be the best approach, and then pollinate a strong female (the whole plant). From there I'll have some feminized seeds, hopefully..

It's going to be a fun experiment, I'm also thinking crossing Vanilla Kush (clone) and pollinating it with female pollen, and see if the kush picks up the auto-Flowering gene, odds are it's going to be a retarded offspring, but it's worth a shot, I have access to some clones from a friend.

 

[jody709]

Ill be sticking around to see how it turns out for you

Wow, I didn't expect this post to explode like it did! Loads of good info in here.

I just watched that video, and learned quite a bit about the genetics from it. From what I can tell, and read after posting this, the Colloidal Silver method seems to be the best approach, and then pollinate a strong female (the whole plant). From there I'll have some feminized seeds, hopefully..


It's going to be a fun experiment, I'm also thinking crossing Vanilla Kush (clone) and pollinating it with female pollen, and see if the kush picks up the auto-Flowering gene, odds are it's going to be a retarded offspring, but it's worth a shot, I have access to some clones from a friend.

 

[Jogro]

i have used gibberelic acid and colloidal silver, only a hundred times though, and never got a "Hermaphrodite" expression. You are not trying to produce "balls" or "bananas", rather attempting to cause the plant to show a single "male finger" or stamina, with the true feminized pollen, not hermaphrodizm. I get no hermies this way, in either the host or the progeny plants, and many will express this finger if left to flower longer than normal, or exposed to a shortened light supply, which are preferred methods. there are preparations available for ten bucks online

I would get a pack of reg seeds and do as suggested earlier

This is largely semantics, but the definition of "hermaphrodite" is any organism that has sex organs typically associated with both male and female genders.

In this case, if you have a genetically female plant that expresses even one male flower, technically its a "hermaphrodite". That would be true even if it had 9999 normal female flowers and one male flower, and even if that one male flower appeared solely because of treatments with chemical agents.

Note that in many cases naturally occuring male flowers on female plants are sterile; even if they make pollen it may not be able to successfully fertilize female plants of the same type.

 

[Jogro]

my problem with getting reg seeds is i got this auto hobbit for free, 1 seed and its almost done. it was a increadibly good pheno and i would like to preserve it.

if i breed it with a true male from a photoperiod plant it will not carry over 100% of the ruderelis traits it will be a 50/50 auto/photo. so in order for me to get some more of these beans for FREE i want to attempt to hermie this one and get it to polinate itself.

As mentioned above, at day 65 its too late for that. It would take at least a few days to make even one male flower, and then at least another four weeks before any seeds you created from that flower would be mature enough to be viable.

Even if you did fertilize your plant now, it will probably die before any created seeds matured enough to be viable.

this auto has been amazing, it has gone well over its 65 day mark but it is a beutifull plant, i have smoked some of the less potent popcorns off it and they seem to give me that energetic high im looking for. so buying another batch of seeds really is not an option for me, as it may not be an option for the original poster either, and maybe he wants to try his hand at making some feminized seeds so he can cut the guesswork out.

Well, if you really love this particular strain, I think your best bet at this point would be to just save your pennies and spring for a full pack of seeds. Why is that not an option for you? They're available at Attitude seedbank from Kannabia seeds for $43 USD per pack. Unfortunately, I think they're only available in feminized form, but at least if you start EARLY you might have some chance of using a few plants to create your own feminized seeds.

I realize $43 (+ shipping) isn't "free" but its not exactly a fortune either, especially if its a strain that you really love.

 

[Jogro]

It's going to be a fun experiment, I'm also thinking crossing Vanilla Kush (clone) and pollinating it with female pollen, and see if the kush picks up the auto-Flowering gene, odds are it's going to be a retarded offspring, but it's worth a shot, I have access to some clones from a friend.

Yes. . .and no.

The autoflowering trait is recessive. If you crossed an auto with a regular Vanilla Kush plant, the F1 hybrid offspring should all CARRY one copy of the autoflowering gene. But none of those plants themselves would be autoflowering, because a plant needs to carry TWO copies of the gene to express the trait.

If you want to see autoflowering plants, you have to cross two separate F1 hybrid plants. Then, roughly 1/4 of the offspring of THAT cross would be expected to be autoflowering.

 

[Brotherdoses]

Odd question. Has anybody ever tried to make a male plant grow a few female flowers? Say you had one seed of a epic strain that no longer existed and it turned out to be male. Could you some how hermie this plant a get regular seeds to continue the line. Say take a clone so you have two plants of the same male. can you then hermie the clone and bang it with its father for seeds? Set aside any genetics defects caused by the process.