trayvan martin

[NoDrama]

If you be gangsta, you can't tell a cracka from a beana. Maybe that's the source of the Crypts and Bloods rivalry. The Crypts think all them are nigga hatin' cracka mofos. What a shame. Think of all the havok the Crypts and Bloods could do against the vile crackas if the two joined forces. It's a crime against humanity.

FYI it's the Crips and the bloods. The Crips came first, the Bloods were in retaliation to the Crips.

 

[UncleBuck]

so, the only connection i can find between pappa zimmerman and norman wolfinger, the prosecutor who left his house late on a sunday night to meet with the police chief in person (he is the prosecutor for an area with over 1 million people), is that they both served in vietnam.

no information about what schools pappa zimmerman attended. they should subpoena all phone records for those two (of course, you would need to press charges first).

one more thing we know for sure is that we need a trial to get to the bottom of what happened.

 

[NoDrama]

so, how about this...

martin's phone call to his girlfriend ended at 07:16 pm, cops were on the scene at 07:17 pm.

we have a witness saying that the fight was in the grass. we have a second witness who saw zimmerman straddling martin's dead body just a few seconds after the gunshot, also in the grass.

zimmerman is saying he was on the sidewalk getting his head slammed, and, that's when he fired.

so we basically have two people saying that zimmerman's account is false, and zimmerman saying that after only one minute of fighting with a string bean, he felt his life was threatened and he had no possible way of escaping.

34 minutes after the gunshot he is on camera walking and acting fluidly and alertly. yet he wants us to believe his life was in danger from this less than one minute scuffle and he was facing great bodily harm.

that just doesn't add up.

At what time did the original call from Zimmerman to 911 come in?

 

[NoDrama]

i should also mention, the guy who prepared martin's body for the funeral, who has prepared many bodies including those of murder victims, saw no signs on martin's hands that would indicate he was even in a fight, much less administering such a savage beating.

the jury is still out on this one (or, should i say, not even in the process of being selected), but it seems pretty clear that all of the actual facts add up in favor of zimmerman's story.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[UncleBuck]

Fixed it for ya.

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do elaborate. please, i beg you.

 

[UncleBuck]

At what time did the original call from Zimmerman to 911 come in?

about 07:00 pm.

 

[UncleBuck]

wolfinger, the prosecutor who very oddly left his house late on a sunday evening to meet with the police chief in person before declining to prosecute, stepped down from this case "to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest"

A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.

ummmm, why? he has implied that he somehow knows zimmerman or his family.

In 2006, the US Justice Department named Wolfinger one of its "Outstanding Local Prosecutors". The citation noted Wolfinger's involvement in the "Project Safe Neighborhood Initiative".

gee, i think i know someone involved in this case who was at the helm of a "safe neighborhood initiative", even though he violated all the protocols of doing so, which include not going around armed and not pursuing your suspect like zimmerman did.

i can't wait until someone uncovers the zimmerman/wolfinger connection. there has to be one.

 

[UncleBuck]

question: If Zimmerman had his head banged on the ground so much that it would have required stitches (Zimmerman's attorney), why didn't the paramedics bandage his head?

zimmerman arrived at the station 34 minutes after the gunshot went off.

it takes 15 minutes to get to the station from the scene of the crime, plus a little bit of time to assess the scene of the crime, handcuff zimmerman, walk him to the car, etc.

that leaves at least 15 minutes for the SFD to wrap a bandage around zimmerman's supposed laceration, which his lawyer said required stitches.

gee, i'm no EMT but i think i could handle that.

 

[Parker]

question: If Zimmerman had his head banged on the ground so much that it would have required stitches (Zimmerman's attorney), why didn't the paramedics bandage his head?

zimmerman arrived at the station 34 minutes after the gunshot went off.

it takes 15 minutes to get to the station from the scene of the crime, plus a little bit of time to assess the scene of the crime, handcuff zimmerman, walk him to the car, etc.

that leaves at least 15 minutes for the SFD to wrap a bandage around zimmerman's supposed laceration, which his lawyer said required stitches.

gee, i'm no EMT but i think i could handle that.

You don't always need stitches. Peroxide on the hair and tie the hair together. From experience.
The more that is coming out on Zimmerman the worse it looks. From his past history he's the guy who is okay enough until someone questions his "authority" then he goes off.
Still have to wait for the evidence and not educated guesses to try him though.

 

[desert dude]

You don't always need stitches. Peroxide on the hair and tie the hair together. From experience.
The more that is coming out on Zimmerman the worse it looks. From his past history he's the guy who is okay enough until someone questions his "authority" then he goes off.
Still have to wait for the evidence and not educated guesses to try him though.

I don't know about the "educated" part, but I agree with the rest. Of course, before Z is tried he has to be charged, and before is charged there has to be probable cause to arrest him. Right now, the only evidence I have seen tends to exonerate Z under Florida's SYG law.

The prosecutor is in a tough position here. Does he take it to a grand jury and get an indictment, there is an old joke amongst lawyers: "You can indict a ham sandwich". I have little doubt that Z can be indicted.

After an indictment comes the hard part: how to make a case against Z that leads to conviction. That will require the prosecutor to overcome all the evidence that corroborates Zimmer's account. Unless something new emerges, I see that as impossible.

Moral outrage, civil unrest, and media navel gazing will follow an unsuccessful prosecution of Zimmer.

We can all look forward to many months of discussing this topic, probably through the end of the election in November. Obama suffers as a result; his sensitive, liberal constituents will be all tied up in knots of moral outrage over this "murder" with little time to consider what is truly important: putting Michelle back on Air Force 1 for four more years of frolic in the world's most exotic vacation spots!

Tell me the truth. That last paragraph is pure genius in tieing this incident together with "Rope and Chains, 2012!", right? You all need to go back to the "best troll" thread and get me on the goddamn ballot!!!

 

[Hemlock]

no information about what schools pappa zimmerman attended. they should subpoena all phone records for those two (of course, you would need to press charges first).

one more thing we know for sure is that we need a trial to get to the bottom of what happened.


I wonder how we get this info from Obama?

 

[Farfenugen]

Wow, sure are a lot of judgmental know-it-alls on here. This tragedy has gone from bad to worse based on
the bull shit spin doctoring and by those who want to make it out to be something more than it ain't.

 

[londonfog]

If you be gangsta, you can't tell a cracka from a beana. Maybe that's the source of the Crypts and Bloods rivalry. The Crypts think all them are nigga hatin' cracka mofos. What a shame. Think of all the havok the Crypts and Bloods could do against the vile crackas if the two joined forces. It's a crime against humanity.

They actually did after the Rodney King verdict. Was not a pretty sight. A lot of innocent people got hurt. A lot of businesses as well. What was your point again MR.EIC, but no AHC

 

[londonfog]

You don't always need stitches. Peroxide on the hair and tie the hair together. From experience.
The more that is coming out on Zimmerman the worse it looks. From his past history he's the guy who is okay enough until someone questions his "authority" then he goes off.
Still have to wait for the evidence and not educated guesses to try him though.

ummmm please tell me how you could possible tie Zimmermans hair together.

 

[afrawfraw]

They actually did after the Rodney King verdict. Was not a pretty sight. A lot of innocent people got hurt. A lot of businesses as well. What was your point again MR.EIC, but no AHC

I was in LA on 4/29. The riots were VERY effective. They were found, "Not guilty". Then the riots. Then the DA decided that maybe we should take another look.

"It's amazing how a few minutes with a gun can change your life" -Eat The Rich-1987

 

[londonfog]

I was in LA on 4/29. The riots were VERY effective. They were found, "Not guilty". Then the riots. Then the DA decided that maybe we should take another look.

"It's amazing how a few minutes with a gun can change your life" -Eat The Rich-1987

to a point, but not without a cost.

 

[afrawfraw]

to a point, but not without a cost.

WWII was a great cost as well. Losing your son to a racist gunman is a cost. The REAL question is, "Who is paying the price?" Trayvon Martin paid in full. Problem is, there was no debt. So there is a credit with the State of Florida. And folks want their pound of flesh.

 

[londonfog]

WWII was a great cost as well. Losing your son to a racist gunman is a cost. The REAL question is, "Who is paying the price?" Trayvon Martin paid in full. Problem is, there was no debt. So there is a credit with the State of Florida. And folks want their pound of flesh.

oh I can agree, but I stop short of calling him a racist and lean more toward a foolish, wannabe cop, temper having, misguided, narcissistic bigot

 

[afrawfraw]

oh I can agree, but I stop short of calling him a racist and lean more toward a foolish, wannabe cop, temper having, misguided, narcissistic bigot

I haven't heard the word "Goon" since watching the silver screen. He used a demeaning racist slur. It is what it is. Either way, he is getting away with murder.

 

[afrawfraw]

To bad he didn't kill a child, then he'd just get probation! FLORIDA, great place to visit, then run like hell!