Distribution Model

[bob harris]

Bills will soon be introduced to set up Distribution models for Medical cannabis in Michigan. This is an integral part of making this law work, for patients and caregivers alike. I'd like to encourage anyone that does call and or write reps, to start doing so with your concerns on how distribution should be addressed.

I've already started. My immediate concerns that I am urging the reps to consider:

Mandatory testing of any cannabis for medical use that is transferred to a 3rd party. Cg to assigned patient..no test needed. Self grow..no test needed. Direct p2p..no test needed. Anything trough a "dispensary" test needed and results clearly posted. "farmers market" (if such a thing is allowed) tests needed and posted.

Distribution system to be supplied by cannabis grown by: Patient self grow overages. Cg gown overages.
Subject to quality testing.
Distribution NOT supplied by: Large out of state grow ops. that bring people here to grow in Michigan..then funnel the money out of State,. Small amount of Michigan appointed Growers.

My reasoning is simply that the patients and caregivers in Michigan, should have the opportunity to feed the system and keep the cash flow generated, not only IN Michigan, but in the hands of patients a caregivers.
Many patients and caregivers are financially dis advantaged. Allow them to receive the cashflow, as opposed to "large Corporations"

A guide as to reasonable compensation of cannabis transferred into the distribution system by patients an cg's. Pricing based on test results. High quality meds..higher price. Low quality med..lower price. Swag..not allowed into distribution system. Also, an accounting method for such transfers: IE: patient or cg given 1099, or some other document, so that income is known, and taxes apply. Like any business..taxes apply to profit only, after deductions for grower expenses.

Distribution points: Whether dispensary or office setting, Distribution point must be Discreet, Professional and held accountable as a NPO. No pot leaves outside. "No medication stations" inside.

Those are some of my main concerns that I am already lobbying for..I'd encourage you to do the same.

 

[bob harris]

No one has a thought on distribution?

 

[Beagle]

Large out of state grow ops. Small amount of Michigan appointed Growers.

I hope this means No Comercial Grows AKA DEA Bullseye?

The only interest I have in Farmers Markets is to acquiring clones.

I think each dispensary should have a consultant on staff who recommends certain strains based on the medical needs of the patient's condition.

 

[cephalopod]

Come one, come all...

 

[cephalopod]

Just teasin you Bob.

 

[kountdown]

Looks pretty reasonable to me.

 

[Hucklberry]

Bob I agree with you that a new model is needed for dispensaries. Here is where your ideas are flawed. First I don't believe the federal government is going to allow interstate transportation of marijuana, this is just fear mongering by a few people in the movement. Also I don't believe they are going to allow a tax on a business that is illegal on the federal level. Second, as much as I would like to see this done in a professional manner you can't legislate how one dresses this must be done by the business itself.
Bob go back to the drawing board realistic plan.

 

[bob harris]

Bob I agree with you that a new model is needed for dispensaries. Here is where your ideas are flawed. First I don't believe the federal government is going to allow interstate transportation of marijuana, this is just fear mongering by a few people in the movement. Also I don't believe they are going to allow a tax on a business that is illegal on the federal level. Second, as much as I would like to see this done in a professional manner you can't legislate how one dresses this must be done by the business itself.
Bob go back to the drawing board realistic plan.

I said nothing about inter state tranfer..I said keep it all in Michigan
And the tax issue would be State tax,not federal. Federal would only see "other income" no designation of where it came from.
And yes, you can not make a law on how to dress..but you can insure that reasonable people, who would dress appropriately, are the ones that have the dispensaries.


I'm happy to go back to the drawing board..I'm asking for ideas

 

[Timmahh]

• reasonable people, who would dress appropriately​

  
  
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this wasnt done for you, and damn you had kids.. why should it be done for cannabis? something logical would be nice this time bob. It gets very tiring to have to whipe the shit off my screen to see your drivel that doesn't even make sence on one hand, and then you fight both sides of one debate on the other.

Try to maintain one rational thought for Each Day bob. it can help you learn how to focus your mental abilities again.

 

[bob harris]

this wasnt done for you, and damn you had kids.. why should it be done for cannabis? something logical would be nice this time bob. It gets very tiring to have to whipe the shit off my screen to see your drivel that doesn't even make sence on one hand, and then you fight both sides of one debate on the other.

Try to maintain one rational thought for Each Day bob. it can help you learn how to focus your mental abilities again.

Great..thanks for the input...glad you focused on only that one small part....what do you think of the idea, if that part is removed?

oh that's right..you only want to nit-pic...not work towards a proper distribution model.

Where is you plan...waiting for the time to be right...Isn't that now?

 

[Timmahh]

no, It will be revealed with my scheduled meeting as planned.
You will know about it when the rest of those in the State hears about it. That would be when the State brings it out of committee to Judiciary.

 

[FatMarty]

Them guys in Maine get to keep as many males as they want and they don't go against plant count.
I want exemption for males so I can save Dads.

Rules seem okay; but don't let them block patients with records or it won't work very well.
All of these law and order types have rendered 20% of michigan adults with felony records.
If you want some of these people to contribute rather than not you need to include them.

Caregiving is one thing - being a patient is another.
P2P should not hinge on your criminal record if the MSC upholds it.
It's not in the Act that having a record bars one from being a patient; so those with a record should be included in the fun.

 

[Timmahh]

interesting factoid to ponder.

in the last 10 yrs. the Age of prisoners over the age of 55, has exploded 400 plus percent.

 

[bob harris]

no, It will be revealed with my scheduled meeting as planned.
You will know about it when the rest of those in the State hears about it. That would be when the State brings it out of committee to Judiciary.

Yup, after the fact..that is when you take credit for other peoples work

 

[Hucklberry]

I said nothing about inter state tranfer..I said keep it all in Michigan
And the tax issue would be State tax,not federal. Federal would only see "other income" no designation of where it came from.
And yes, you can not make a law on how to dress..but you can insure that reasonable people, who would dress appropriately, are the ones that have the dispensaries.


I'm happy to go back to the drawing board..I'm asking for ideas

Bob help me understand your position a little better. You seem to be hung up on mandatory testing but only for dispensaries. I'm a patient, I have a caregiver and I have gone to the local dispensary. The end users are the same people, Please clarlify. Second you seem to imply that dispensaries are already legal and farmers markets are not again please clarify. Last time I looked neither were covered under the act. Whats your slant pro dispensary/anti farmers market? Third you agreed with me that you can't legislate how one dresses, but in the same senetence you say "You can insure reasonable people who would dress appropriately, are the ones that have the dispensaries." this doesn't make any sense. Please remember your goal is to have the state adopt a model for distribution through legislation. You need to concede this part of your model. I'll be the first to tell you, I have refused to go back to a local dispensary because of the lack of the professional appearence of the people who work their. My point is this part of your model is something you will never win at the state level. The end users will patronize the places they feel comfortable with and capitalism will them weed out. and lastly what does NPO stand for?


You started this thread you even asked a second time for input here. Being nit picked is exactly whats going to happen if you are lucky enough to have your model considered by the state so don't fault any of us. You need to put your personal biases aside and think like a legislator. You'll have a better chance of success.

 

[bob harris]

Bob help me understand your position a little better. You seem to be hung up on mandatory testing but only for dispensaries. I'm a patient, I have a caregiver and I have gone to the local dispensary. The end users are the same people, Please clarlify. Second you seem to imply that dispensaries are already legal and farmers markets are not again please clarify. Last time I looked neither were covered under the act. Whats your slant pro dispensary/anti farmers market? Third you agreed with me that you can't legislate how one dresses, but in the same senetence you say "You can insure reasonable people who would dress appropriately, are the ones that have the dispensaries." this doesn't make any sense. Please remember your goal is to have the state adopt a model for distribution through legislation. You need to concede this part of your model. I'll be the first to tell you, I have refused to go back to a local dispensary because of the lack of the professional appearence of the people who work their. My point is this part of your model is something you will never win at the state level. The end users will patronize the places they feel comfortable with and capitalism will them weed out. and lastly what does NPO stand for?


You started this thread you even asked a second time for input here. Being nit picked is exactly whats going to happen if you are lucky enough to have your model considered by the state so don't fault any of us. You need to put your personal biases aside and think like a legislator. You'll have a better chance of success.

Happy to answer. I'll answer you last question first. An NPO is non profit organization. I don't believe any State that has med allows for any other type of distribution, at least thru a dispensary.

Your first question: I think that a patient growing for themselves..shouldn't have to test. They may wish to..but should have that choice..after all the meds are only being used by them, and they chose the strain. If a cg grows for the patient..same applies..but if they wish to know what they are smoking, (other than bubble gum surprise) the certainly have the right to do so.But again..the patient should have been able to pick the strain.

If there is a dispensary system (and no that is not approved here yet) you are dealing with a situation where I feel the patient should have the ability to make an informed choice..by seeing posted test results. The dispensary didn't grow it...they have no idea of it's quality..they don't even know if the strain was represented correctly...they can only go on looks good, smells good...and to me..that's a shot in the dark.

Currently, there is no law defining distribution. Many dispensaries shut down..some are still open. Farmers markets have never been defined as legal or illegal yet.

Technicality..as of now..the only legal way to transfer meds at all is caregiver to assigned patient. If the patient isn't on the CG card..the cg can't transfer to them(at least with any funds involved)

I do favor a dispensary system..there has to be someplace that a patient can get medicine if he doesn't grow himself, and doesn't to deal with a "personal" CG. Farmers markets may even work..I just can't imagine how. First, they benefit the Farmer, more than the patient (hence the name, FARMERS market) And even if the farmers were offing great pricing (which they are not) you still have no idea what they are selling you. (unless of course, that required mandatory testing too)



Hope that helps

I'll edit the original post to reflect the "dress" issue..and clarify out of State grow ops...which people seem to take as the cannabis being grown out of State..when what I mean is oh, lets use Colorado, as an example. Colorado is offering to send "expierenced medical growers" to set up shop IN Michigan...but that would funnel money OUT of the Michigan economy...how does that help anyone, but Colorado?

 

[Timmahh]

holy shit, I think im rubbing of on dear old bob. he actually made some fucking logical statement that was concise, clear and not full of contradictions.
No time to stop now, i ll have to reply to him double time, hes almost got his head out of his ass.

• Farmers markets may even work..I just can't imagine how. First, they benefit the Farmer, more than the patient (hence the name, FARMERS market) And even if the farmers were offing great pricing (which they are not) you still have no idea what they are selling you. (unless of course, that required mandatory testing too)​

  
  
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And then there is that ^^^.

um 150 up to 250 an oz at a farmers market, never more than 10.00 grams for TOP shelf meds, is MORE than a patient would pay at a dispensary?

yep thought you were on to something bob. than you started thinking like yourself again.
you should smoke another joint bob, it will help, trust me, im going to, i have another headache from watching you fight yourself in multiple threads. lol

 

[Timmahh]

bob harris[/COLOR];7231045]Happy to answer. I'll answer you last question first. An NPO is non profit organization. I don't believe any State that has med allows for any other type of distribution, at least thru a dispensary.

Your first question: I think that a patient growing for themselves..shouldn't have to test. They may wish to..but should have that choice..after all the meds are only being used by them, and they chose the strain. If a cg grows for the patient..same applies..but if they wish to know what they are smoking, (other than bubble gum surprise) the certainly have the right to do so.But again..the patient should have been able to pick the strain.

If there is a dispensary system (and no that is not approved here yet) you are dealing with a situation where I feel the patient should have the ability to make an informed choice..by seeing posted test results. The dispensary didn't grow it...they have no idea of it's quality..they don't even know if the strain was represented correctly...they can only go on looks good, smells good...and to me..that's a shot in the dark.

Currently, there is no law defining distribution. Many dispensaries shut down..some are still open. Farmers markets have never been defined as legal or illegal yet.

Technicality..as of now..the only legal way to transfer meds at all is caregiver to assigned patient. If the patient isn't on the CG card..the cg can't transfer to them(at least with any funds involved)

I do favor a dispensary system..there has to be someplace that a patient can get medicine if he doesn't grow himself, and doesn't to deal with a "personal" CG. Farmers markets may even work..I just can't imagine how. First, they benefit the Farmer, more than the patient (hence the name, FARMERS market) And even if the farmers were offing great pricing (which they are not) you still have no idea what they are selling you. (unless of course, that required mandatory testing too)



Hope that helps

I'll edit the original post to reflect the "dress" issue

No dont remove your BIGGOTED remark bob. Wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong impression of the depth of your racism and biggotry.

 

[bob harris]

holy shit, I think im rubbing of on dear old bob. he actually made some fucking logical statement that was concise, clear and not full of contradictions.
No time to stop now, i ll have to reply to him double time, hes almost got his head out of his ass.




And then there is that ^^^.

um 150 up to 250 an oz at a farmers market, never more than 10.00 grams for TOP shelf meds, is MORE than a patient would pay at a dispensary?

yep thought you were on to something bob. than you started thinking like yourself again.
you should smoke another joint bob, it will help, trust me, im going to, i have another headache from watching you fight yourself in multiple threads. lol

Who's definition of TOP SHELF MEDS? The farmers? Or would you agree to mandatory testing at a market?

See, the problem with "farmers" is they all claim to grow top shelf....what is the patient supposed to base a decision on?

 

[bob harris]

No dont remove your BIGGOTED remark bob. Wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong impression of the depth of your racism and biggotry.

It wasn't a bigoted remark..and dress requirements are common in the workplace..you know, uniforms for your job at McDonald's,
any retail outlet has a dress code..matter of fact, I can only think of a few jobs that you could wear "anything you want"

See Timmahh, i am showing you how to compromise..listen to others.and work together to try an accomplish something..but you want none of that...only Timmahhs thoughts allowed.