trayvan martin

[UnderBelly]

not sure why there is no thread on this yet.

the police force is corrupt, zimmerman is a cold blooded murderer, and life goes on as normal for everyone but trayvan and his family.

such a travesty.

Yes but there is a rumor that the victim might have possessed a container that once might have held marijuana, so he was clearly asking for it.

(This information, which seems to be readily accepted in the court of public opinion, does not even have a reliable source, was certainly not lawfully disclosed even if true, and unless the shooter can prove that he knew something about the victim prior to the incident, nothing in the victim's background would be admissible for his defense anyway.)

Most of the things that the public accepts as "evidence" won't even be brought into a murder trial, and what's more, most of the actual evidence that would be used, hasn't been broadcast to the public.

 

[UncleBuck]

Sanford police failed to collect key evidence in the case: the clothing of George Zimmerman, the gunman who killed Trayvon.Not true, police said. They took his clothing as well as Trayvon's and packaged it for crime-lab analysis. A spokeswoman for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey would not disclose Tuesday where the clothing is now, but she wrote in an email that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement "is assisting with the processing of physical evidence."Typically, evidence from Seminole County crime scenes is analyzed at the FDLE lab in Orlando.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-27/news/os-trayvon-martin-question-answer-20120327_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-medical-examiner-releases-bodies​

so the police took zimmerman home to change into a second red jacket?

i mean, he was at the police station 34 minuts after the shot was fired. it's a couple of minutes walk back to the vehicle, then he gets treated by SFD, then he gets taken home and disrobed and changed in to a new red jacket, all in 15 minutes or so?

lol, seems legit.

 

[cliffey501]

so the police took zimmerman home to change into a second red jacket?

i mean, he was at the police station 34 minuts after the shot was fired. it's a couple of minutes walk back to the vehicle, then he gets treated by SFD, then he gets taken home and disrobed and changed in to a new red jacket, all in 15 minutes or so?

lol, seems legit.

Im sure they would have taken it from him after they got back to the station.Rather than transport him nude.LOL think UB.

 

[desert dude]

so the police took zimmerman home to change into a second red jacket?

i mean, he was at the police station 34 minuts after the shot was fired. it's a couple of minutes walk back to the vehicle, then he gets treated by SFD, then he gets taken home and disrobed and changed in to a new red jacket, all in 15 minutes or so?

lol, seems legit.

You got nothing.

 

[UnderBelly]

They are all consistent with the police report AND with all of the eye witnesses.

Trayvon's girl friend was not there, her testimony is about as useful as yours has been on this thread.

I have no problem with following the evidence to arrive at a rational conclusion. Show me some evidence that contradicts the facts as we know them.

With all due respect, nothing that you think you know about this case qualifies as "evidence" for a Florida criminal court. What's more, most of the information that would be admissible as evidence has not been disclosed to the public. If you want to argue, start with this one, the most important: Give a precise medical description of the victim's wounds. You have absolutely no way to do that, because the medical expert who will testify is smart enough not to say anything publicly, at least not before the Grand Jury hearing.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

why is every other source name but the clothing one says "police"

 

[UncleBuck]

Im sure they would have taken it from him after they got back to the station.Rather than transport him nude.LOL think UB.

ok, so they took his clothes at the station.

cops wear gloves whenever they handle anything with blood on it.

the cops are seen on tape handling zimmerman's clothes sans gloves.

i don't think you'll be seeing any blood on those clothes.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

is it even known if they were taken later or at the station?

 

[NLXSK1]

ok, so they took his clothes at the station.

cops wear gloves whenever they handle anything with blood on it.

the cops are seen on tape handling zimmerman's clothes sans gloves.

i don't think you'll be seeing any blood on those clothes.

Yes, because we know that shooting someone at close range does not cause any blood splatter.

Are you serious? No blood on any clothes?

 

[NLXSK1]

is it even known if they were taken later or at the station?

It doesnt matter.

The standard is if Zimmerman was in fear of serious injury or death. He didnt have to lose x amount of blood or taken any serious damage before he was within his rights to shoot Travan.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

i think UB meant you wont be seeing any of zimmermans blood on those clothes ????

 

[UncleBuck]

Yes, because we know that shooting someone at close range does not cause any blood splatter.

Are you serious? No blood on any clothes?

the cops handled zimmerman's clothes without gloves on. it's on videotape.

it's S.O.P. to wear gloves when handling anything with blood on it to avoid blood borne pathogens.

so it's either (a) no blood on the clothes or (b) incompetent police work.

neither one seems to be a good option for the zimmerman defenders.

 

[desert dude]

With all due respect, nothing that you think you know about this case qualifies as "evidence" for a Florida criminal court. What's more, most of the information that would be admissible as evidence has not been disclosed to the public. If you want to argue, start with this one, the most important: Give a precise medical description of the victim's wounds. You have absolutely no way to do that, because the medical expert who will testify is smart enough not to say anything publicly, at least not before the Grand Jury hearing.

You, of course, are wrong: the police officer's report is an official sworn statement and will certainly be presented in court if this ever comes to trial. The EMT's report will also be presented in court, and I presume that it will corroborate the police officer's report. I see no reason why the eye witness statements won't also be presented in court but I would not be surprised if these witnesses recanted their initial statements given the dangerous atmosphere that exists.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

by engaging the event in the first place by stalking him

i think zimmerman takes more responsibility as being the catalyst that led to this confrontaion, cry wolf i belive they call it

according to florida state law Martin stood his ground for walking through his town/city . . .. . .

 

[cliffey501]

On a side note I caught someone breaking into my garage/car last night.Ironically he was wearing a grey hoodie.Maybe Geraldo is onto something.

 

[cannabineer]

On a side note I caught someone breaking into my garage/car last night.Ironically he was wearing a grey hoodie.Maybe Geraldo is onto something.

Did any of the blood get on your clothes? cn

 

[redivider]

It doesnt matter.

The standard is if Zimmerman was in fear of serious injury or death. He didnt have to lose x amount of blood or taken any serious damage before he was within his rights to shoot Travan.

no it is not.

the standard is that if you can 'reasonably believe' you are in imminent danger.

there's two factors to consider here.

1) reasonably doesn't mean: black guy in a hoodie = imminent danger to myself/the community. how 'reasonable' was zimmerman in his actions will be hotly contested if this goes to trial, which it should. even if he goes free it deserves a day in court so it goes on the official government record. it's better to have 1-2 guilty guys walking the street than 1,000 innocents in jail....

2) the factor of imminent danger will also be weighed... during one of the 911 calls he didn't seem to be in any sort of danger... he actually admits the kid is walking away from him and he's following... how's he in danger at that point?

we'll see...

 

[desert dude]

no it is not.

the standard is that if you can 'reasonably believe' you are in imminent danger.

there's two factors to consider here.

1) reasonably doesn't mean: black guy in a hoodie = imminent danger to myself/the community. how 'reasonable' was zimmerman in his actions will be hotly contested if this goes to trial, which it should. even if he goes free it deserves a day in court so it goes on the official government record. it's better to have 1-2 guilty guys walking the street than 1,000 innocents in jail....

2) the factor of imminent danger will also be weighed... during one of the 911 calls he didn't seem to be in any sort of danger... he actually admits the kid is walking away from him and he's following... how's he in danger at that point?

we'll see...

I agree with you, but nobody is even suggesting that a black guy in a hoody equals imminent danger.

The imminent danger occurred a bit later.

I am pretty sure that Zimmer will be indicted because of the political considerations here, so we will see all the evidence at some point.

 

[cliffey501]

no it is not.

the standard is that if you can 'reasonably believe' you are in imminent danger.

there's two factors to consider here.

1) reasonably doesn't mean: black guy in a hoodie = imminent danger to myself/the community. how 'reasonable' was zimmerman in his actions will be hotly contested if this goes to trial, which it should. even if he goes free it deserves a day in court so it goes on the official government record. it's better to have 1-2 guilty guys walking the street than 1,000 innocents in jail....

2) the factor of imminent danger will also be weighed... during one of the 911 calls he didn't seem to be in any sort of danger... he actually admits the kid is walking away from him and he's following... how's he in danger at that point?

we'll see...

What about the 911 calls where he is heard screaming for his life? Sounds to me like he was in fear of his life.

 

[cliffey501]

Did any of the blood get on your clothes? cn

Haha no i didn't but i didn't confront him either.I popped my head out the door and yelled at him and he took off pretty quick LOL.