Going back to the Basics.

Ernst

Ernst

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What are the basics of making cannabis (marijuana) legal?

I know when 2010 came around and we have Prop 19 many didn't know the difference between legalization and decriminalization.

I believe the basics is to start with completet legalization for the non-commercial individual.


So for 2014,2016, 2018 and beyond Shall we push hard .. really hard to the Legalize side soe we can ned up someplace in the center when all is said and done?

I know many of you think of profits from cannabis and perhaps that is what really stopped the legalization effort but with Oaksterdam University raided the "King's Castle" has been looted and his crown stolen.

So friends either we unite and push hard for complete legalization or we stay loosers like we are today.

What say you? Willing to push hard for complete legalization and then compramise after we have that or are we simply comprimising before we ever fight?
 
Ernst

Ernst

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TruenoAE86coupe said:
Its on the ballot in Colorado and Washington this year, hopefully its a start and a step in the right direction.
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Fingers crossed.

California seems defeated with Weed only being a fine now unless you are caught growing.

Slowly, in California, the cannabis freedom is being removed. Also with all our money making Weed folks don't want legalization and are showing that politics by not supporting unity of us all.
 
TruenoAE86coupe

TruenoAE86coupe

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I think that is something we overestimate in our communities, unity. Just like everything else in life we (the cannabis using community) run the gammit from the poorest of the poor to the richest of rich, the best of the best to the worst of the worst, givers and takers and everything in between. Just because we both smoke doesn't mean we are on the same page as the next person. I know people who believe legalization will take food off of their table, instead of thinking of the people who wouldn't have to go to jail over a plant.
A large percentage of us are more driven by greed than want to see this wonderful plant reach its full potential in the bright sunlight, not hidden away in hidden grow rooms.
As much as i would hate the measures i would have to take to prevent pollen in my plants, i would love to see our farming communities come back by growing cannabis, either industrial (hemp) or commercial (smokable).
 
Ernst

Ernst

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TruenoAE86coupe said:
I think that is something we overestimate in our communities, unity. Just like everything else in life we (the cannabis using community) run the gammit from the poorest of the poor to the richest of rich, the best of the best to the worst of the worst, givers and takers and everything in between. Just because we both smoke doesn't mean we are on the same page as the next person. I know people who believe legalization will take food off of their table, instead of thinking of the people who wouldn't have to go to jail over a plant.
A large percentage of us are more driven by greed than want to see this wonderful plant reach its full potential in the bright sunlight, not hidden away in hidden grow rooms.
As much as i would hate the measures i would have to take to prevent pollen in my plants, i would love to see our farming communities come back by growing cannabis, either industrial (hemp) or commercial (smokable).
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Yet all the issues can be addressed if it is legal better than they can be if it is not legal. That the proper place to start is with individual rights. Do you agree?
 
Ernst

Ernst

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TruenoAE86coupe said:
Entirely.
I believe the plant never should have been made illegal in any way.
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Cool. Yet we are not connecting to the very people who should "come together."

So we are the tool that is killing us.

That is why we are being beat.

Agree?
 
TruenoAE86coupe

TruenoAE86coupe

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Yes, i believe California had a lot of issues with where the market would go, how the bill was written and of course there own bottom line.
We in Colorado have already gotten rid of the ability for individuals, caregivers or otherwise to sell to any MMC, and limited caregivers to 5 patients. So we have gotten rid of a large percentage of the voters who would vote no based on there bottom line, i believe.
So my hopes are that there is at least a decent turn out and result of the voting. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't pass, but if we get more than 40% of the vote we are well on the way to winning!!!
Didn't really answer your question though, yes i see all these "differences" pushing us away from what should be a common goal \.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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TruenoAE86coupe said:
Yes, i believe California had a lot of issues with where the market would go, how the bill was written and of course there own bottom line.
We in Colorado have already gotten rid of the ability for individuals, caregivers or otherwise to sell to any MMC, and limited caregivers to 5 patients. So we have gotten rid of a large percentage of the voters who would vote no based on there bottom line, i believe.
So my hopes are that there is at least a decent turn out and result of the voting. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't pass, but if we get more than 40% of the vote we are well on the way to winning!!!
Didn't really answer your question though, yes i see all these "differences" pushing us away from what should be a common goal \.
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I believe in having the option of consuming Cannabis,; if that aids you to be a better person. (1)

We no longer can simply "Go West" to find opportunity yet, with Cannabis we can "visit" our imagination in ways that are defensibly private and Perhaps personally profitable.
 
MacGuyver4.2.0

MacGuyver4.2.0

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If *anything* growing HEMP should at least be legalized. Or maybe it's a *gasp* gateway plant, too? Hemp use leads to Nylon rope and before you know it...you are up to steel braided cable! LOL. There is NO LEGAL reason why it should be banned. If anything, we NEED this now more than ever. Yet the thumb sucking populace sits and spins

Had a dream the other night that a big asteroid slammed into earth and wiped out Congress and some other paltry pathetic excuses for public servants as well. Then I woke up and relaized it was only just a dream. If only...
It's way past time to sanitize this out of control virus called 'Government'. Everyone of them I have seen on this planet thus far have all shown the same characteristics: Greed for power. Greed for money. Greed for more control of anything.

And Ernest, I think it is happening very FAST...not slowly. If anything, the pace has picked up in the last 18 months.
 
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I hate to be a debbie downer here but.....If you think weed will be legal one day, you are wrong. The government has no way to tax you on it. Maybe if they did a Grower's License or something but otherwise, they lose money by legalizing. They aren't going to lose money so you can get high. I would like you guys to be right......but yea...Alcohol is legal yet illegal to make your own. And that dates back almost 100 years. And by legalizing medicinal marijuana only confirms that it will never be legal for recreational use. The money they do make off the medicinal operation would cease. Reality gentlemen.
 
MacGuyver4.2.0

MacGuyver4.2.0

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Broccoli Rob-

You may want to rethink your statement a bit. Alcohol (once prohibited) is legal, but over 2.2 million people die from it each year worldwide (taken from WHO- World Health Orginization Database). I would love to see the number of verified deaths attributed to cannabis use...good luck finding them. Alot of people in the U.S. have been able to brew or ferment thier own beer and wines for years now. The BATF even has the limits for personal use listed on thier site. I'm a vintner myself and make wonderful wines every year. You are only allowed *so much* for personal use however. Keep in mind this is for 'personal' use and not for sale and also is subject to local and state laws as well. From the schedule:
Sec. 24.75
Wine for personal or family use​
(a) General. Any adult may, without payment of tax, produce wine for personal or family use and not for sale.
(b) Quantity. The aggregate amount of wine that may be produced exempt from tax with respect to any household may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year for a household in which two or more adults reside, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.


So your statement doesn't hold water. Alcohol sales still continue in this country (and worldwide) and in fact are quite strong (despite users being able to make thier own). When cannabis use gets legalized, it will be no different, except that maybe liquor, wine and beer sales may drop. But I guarantee the food services industry will pick up that slack quickly. :)
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ford442

ford442

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the government already loses money - they don't make a dime on medical pot, and even when they make some tiny amount of tax money - they are spending it right back out to patrol everyone all of the time. legalizing would start the flow of money away from the mexican cartel's pocket and into the coffers of government. the government certainly does not lose anything having alcohol legal, except for the cost of scraping your diseased, mangled corpses off of the road side day after day.

one thing for the public to understand - about 40,000,000 people in this country smoke marijuana regularly.. 300,000,000 have tried it.. now when we add up all of the hard drug users it is less than 999,999. so, we are paying BILLIONS to patrol something that tens of millions of people do multiple times a day. that is what is costly. imagine if cops only busted the 0.3% of people who used harmful, addictive drugs and not the 83% of americans who have chosen responsibly to smoke cannabis.

legalization is going to happen. in one or two years, the west. and then the rest of the world no matter how long it takes.

on the subject of hemp - does everyone know that hemp contains the pain and anxiety relieving compound canabidiol or CBD? and did you know that Bangladesh translates literally into "Cannabis Land People" - when Nixon banned hemp worldwide - they had to stop growing their traditional crop and their topsoil eroded away - now we no longer hear about the lovely land of Bangladesh, but a flooded, miserable, starving hell hole.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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ford442 said:
the government already loses money - they don't make a dime on medical pot, and even when they make some tiny amount of tax money - they are spending it right back out to patrol everyone all of the time. legalizing would start the flow of money away from the mexican cartel's pocket and into the coffers of government. the government certainly does not lose anything having alcohol legal, except for the cost of scraping your diseased, mangled corpses off of the road side day after day.

one thing for the public to understand - about 40,000,000 people in this country smoke marijuana regularly.. 300,000,000 have tried it.. now when we add up all of the hard drug users it is less than 999,999. so, we are paying BILLIONS to patrol something that tens of millions of people do multiple times a day. that is what is costly. imagine if cops only busted the 0.3% of people who used harmful, addictive drugs and not the 83% of americans who have chosen responsibly to smoke cannabis.

legalization is going to happen. in one or two years, the west. and then the rest of the world no matter how long it takes.

on the subject of hemp - does everyone know that hemp contains the pain and anxiety relieving compound canabidiol or CBD? and did you know that Bangladesh translates literally into "Cannabis Land People" - when Nixon banned hemp worldwide - they had to stop growing their traditional crop and their topsoil eroded away - now we no longer hear about the lovely land of Bangladesh, but a flooded, miserable, starving hell hole.
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Interesting about Bangladesh, I did not know that.

I pretty much agree with all of your points, though the numbers are not quite as large as you say but that is a very small criticism.
 
Ernst

Ernst

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Perhaps raiding Oaksterdam U is a signal that the Feds can "Get any of you any time?"

If anything we have to accept that the the Cannabis Market is dramatically effected by the DEA and the ilk.

Perhaps it is more important to wave profits and fight for civil rights..
 
ford442

ford442

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i think that the profits are just innate.. we are talking about a limited commodity that is destroyed completely by use.. people want it like they want Pepsi..

all governments will wise up and say that it will generate money for everyone - where alcohol and cigarettes actually lose money..
 
Ernst

Ernst

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ford442 said:
i think that the profits are just innate.. we are talking about a limited commodity that is destroyed completely by use.. people want it like they want Pepsi..

all governments will wise up and say that it will generate money for everyone - where alcohol and cigarettes actually lose money..
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In the Give me Liberty or Give Me Death which is Pot? Just a thought.
 
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